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RCs (Phenazepam) No scale, safest way?

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Remember the 60 hour half life, if you take it on a daily basis it will build up to black out levels by day 3-7
 
H-deezy, thats an admirable thing to do, but i guess people were just frustrated by his gung-ho attitude. going nuts with barbs or benzos does absolutely nothing to help you get off opiates..i know because ive tried several times. at best it will relax you enough to have the stupidity to get back on the heroin right away. ive never heard or read anyhting about using tranqs to get off painkillers, only that it is compltely useless. [maybe a valium or two a day for a month at first makes sense...but no junky with a large quantity of ANYTHING will manage that, at first anyway]...

it'll just provide him with a blackout transition phase between cycles of addiction.
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
ive used the scoop on phenazepam, DMAA, caffeine powder, and phenprobamate and all of them weighed between 10-15mg a scoop weighed with a rather expensive mg scale.
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We aren't concerned with averages. We are concerned with outliers - and an outlier with phenazepam dosage is the difference between comfortable relaxation and a multi-day blackout.

If the dose-response curve were more forgiving, this might be a vaguely reasonable approach. But is isn't. The only safe approach is to measure weight, not interpolate weight from volume.

And you sticking up for a scoop is ridiculous when milligram scales can be purchased for literally a few dollars more.
 
Im sorry I was trying to be clear when making this thread that my intentions were to not use a scale and I just wanted to know the safest way to do an unsafe thing. I understand this is powerful but am going to do it either way, thanks to HdoubleODeezy I can use the scoop. I know its not something to be careless with, its just I am using it either way no matter how many times you suggest I am stupid. Thats just my choice and I just wanted to try and explain it better. Sorry for the confusion to all the people that couldnt understand my post and wanted to tell me what I clearly said I wasnt going to do.
 
Im sorry I was trying to be clear when making this thread that my intentions were to not use a scale
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Then don't come to a harm reduction board and get angry when people tell you you need to use a scale to make this safe.
 
those scoops are standardised using water - mg of water, uL its all the same. I'd check the density of the substance, and if its wayyyy off from 1.0g/ml, I'd correct for it.

Very good of you to give that away. I'm impressed with how completely selflessly you did that... unless you know the guy, or something. Very cool.
 
sekio said:
Then don't come to a harm reduction board and get angry when people tell you you need to use a scale to make this safe.
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I was never angry, but I was just wanting to know the best way to reduce risk without a scale. Is this really hard to understand?

And I never mentioned that I been taking xanax for the past few weeks as needed which is like every other day I really only sleep every two or three days at the most. I usually just take two 2mg pills and drink like a six pack and I get decent sleep. I just wake up 4 hours into it feeling like shit it doesnt last at all. I was off of the heroin for 4 days which was my record for a while but a friend came by and gave me a few methadone pills that I took so I guess I will start the sickness over again dont ya just love withdrawals lol.

It seems a little tension is here and I just want to say HdoubleODeezy is a caring individual for someone that doesnt know me to be willing to help me out like this, but its just alot of people obviously dont like the scoop for some reason isnt it better than just eating shit off my finger etc. Basicly he answered my question and solved my problem and its just bothers me that some people are giving him shit for answering my question and helping me out.
 
I agree that it was really cool of him to do that, but the reason people are concerned is that volumetric measurement (scoops) is NEVER an accurate way to determine weight- its not even reproducible. Think about how powder is packed into a scoop when you use it- can you think of a method to do this so consistently that its packed that way each time? Its just not reliable enough for people to get behind it, and given how strong this stuff is, you can understand why people are getting a little upset. Nobody wants you comatose or dead.

The syringe thing is cheap and easy and reproducible, if you find yourself needing a plan B.
 
You may see a scoop as an answer to your question, but its not. Its just something that puts your mind at ease to do something you're already going to do. How densely a powder is packed, the density of the substance itself, the cuts, etc will all affect how much is in a given volume. When differences of just a few mg can have huge consequences, these methods are simply insufficient. Better than sticking your finger in and licking it? Sure. Safe by any means? Hardly.
 
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