RCs (Phenazepam) No scale, safest way?

[Unholyconstipation]

OK OK. I searched but everyone says you will just die if you dont have a scale. My order will be in by Friday of 250mg, I want to know which ways are the safest for pulling up a nice little dose no scale, no dissolving shit like a scientist, I just want to know from people that eyeball phenaze how they could dose it with out any thing other that a scale.

You might say oh buy a scale idiot, well it took my bank down to -234$ after the last purchase, so no equipment no lectures just the least harmful safe way to dose, I even requested the vendor to separate it for me into 50mg doses so that should be a step in the right direction right? My idiot friend is going to be the test dummy because he was like "Fuck that man I do fat lines" I was like bro your lines ok but I tell him not with this pure shit I tried to explain it like 200 xanax in like the amount of powder of like .25gs not like I really know or anything but anyways would like to hear from the people that successfully dosed without the help of a scale or liquid. Desperate times me and all my friends are kicking heroin and this was our last hope, maybe it will just kill us and rid the earth of some scum, we all really could care less if a OD occurs cause we all have had OD on heroin/fent many many times with no major lifelong problems.

And I was going to make a safety plan in case we do overdose as to what to do and which hospital will be the closest, but trust me I know this is potent and hard to do I read it a million times but just would like positive people not trying to say that's a bad idea or you cant possibly do that. Well we have to do it cause we are all broke and pawned everything but this laptop and its going to

 

[sekio]

Buy a fucking scale. if you're 250 bucks in the hole you shouldn't be buying drugs. but if you don't buy a scale you risk turning into a waking zombie. A scale is an absolute must with phenazepam, you can't eyeball 0.5mg of powder.

try liquid measurement, but MAKE SURE you start with a known quantity... don't trust the vendors to weigh it for you...

 

[saturatedTHC]

Dude with my experience Phenazepam is just BAD NEWS.....there is just soo much benzo there you do some and its effects FEEL subtle but really are just affecting your judgment and with myself and anyother person ive known to have and do phen to ALWAYS do too much and get fucked up and not remeber like 2 days somtimes ive been totally blacked out for weeks! weeks that i was never there for

 

[Unholyconstipation]

Buy a fucking scale. if you're 250 bucks in the hole you shouldn't be buying drugs. but if you don't buy a scale you risk turning into a waking zombie. A scale is an absolute must with phenazepam, you can't eyeball 0.5mg of powder.

try liquid measurement, but MAKE SURE you start with a known quantity... don't trust the vendors to weigh it for you...

Ok buddy try being addicted to IV heroin for 3 years every fucking day I would say I am pretty rich compared to those around me 6 feet under or in prison. Who should buy drugs???? If you are addicted to drugs of course you will do whatever it takes well I will atleast. Anyways sorry but that just bugged me acting like you know my situation.

 

[sekio]

If you can't afford (and don't see the reason) for getting an accurate scale to weigh a compound where 1 milligram can be the difference between relaxation and not remembering 48 hours then I truly wish you the best of luck. But be warned you're playing with fire and lots of people have been burned in the exact same manner before - not using a scale like they should.

You obviously are willing to blow money you don't have on dope to keep yourself feeling good; why wouldn't you spend $20 on a scale so you don't end up dead or even worse off after dosing a powerful memory eraser? Is your mental wellbeing really that worthless to you?

 

[TheAzo]

Overdosing by even a relatively small amount on phenazepam lands you in blackout land, and because of the long duration, there are many stories of people ending up blacked out for weeks redosing repeatedly, and waking up in jail or a hospital with no idea how they got there.

That is why every time it comes up, we tell people that they need to use a scale for dosing phenazepam. It's a serious-business drug, and you really shouldn't be messing with it if you can't afford to do it safely. It's not really that recreational - almost any of the commercially available benzos are better.

If you must use your phenazepam, and are not going to buy a scale, you're going to need to use liquid measure. Actually, you'll need to do this even with a $20 mg scale; $20 mg scales are +/- 5mg or so.

Do you have a benzo tolerance? How large of one? like, how much of your benzo of choice do you take?

I would say I am pretty rich compared to those around me 6 feet under or in prison.

Honestly, if you'd like to keep it that way (above ground and out of prison) don't mess with phenazepam unless you can dose it accurately.

 

[Pegasus]

Liquid measurment like a scientist? Getting some food coloring and mixing powder into it is not that hard.

 

[docs - docs]

Liquid measurement isn't all that scientific, and I'd say its your only option if you wont buy a scale... or don't know someone that owns a scale (?)

I'm not sure what the dosage or solubility is for phen (merck index, anybody?), but I'd assume that it dissolves in vodka or everclear. Just buy a GIANT syringe from a farm supply place (60 cc at least), dissolve, and fill draw up into the syringe. Top it up with your alcohol so you've got a good syringe full (might want to buy a syringe cap or two while you're at the store), then use a much smaller syringe to dose with - whatever's appropriate, 1cc, 3cc.

This way even if you don't know the exact concentration, its at least repeatable. If you comatize yourself once, you know to take less the next time. Also, a vendor likely wont blow the weight by more than 5%, so with this method you should be able to get within a mg or so of accuracy.

250mg/60cc syringe = 4.2 mg/cc
100 unit syringe (used for dosing) has at least 10 divisions = .42 mg/10 units (0.1cc)

at +/- 10% of the original weight that's 0.38-0.46 mg/10 units (0.1cc), which is a workable range for most compounds... and I REALLY doubt a vendor would blow the weight by 10%, at least not 10% too MUCH.

The reason why you shouldn't use powder for this is that if you dont have the patience to add liquid to something, you definitely dont have the patience required to mill powder down to a size where it will mix evenly. Mixing powders evenly is WAY more scientific than dissolving something and measuring.

 

[docs - docs]

you also can't 'eyeball' a pure substance, at least not accurately. How dense a powder is (i.e. how big or how small 1mg looks) depends on the crystal size, even on what solvent was used to crystallise it: its almost never consistent. Even in the contents of the same bag, 1mg the stuff that's more crushed wont look the same as a mg of bigger crystals.

If the scale isn't an option, the liquid/syringe method is your ONLY workable alternative.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Obviously the best, and safest answer is to buy a scale.

But..

As stupid as it is an many people's eyes, i have ordered phenazepam numerous times, and dosed without a scale. If you lick the tip of a tooth pick then stick it in the powder, so you just pick up a few grains, you can take that dose then judging by the effects, titrate your dose from there.

Also, you could make a solution using liquid, by dissolving the phen in propylene glycol. For example, if you put 100mg of phen in 100ml of PEG, 1ml=1mg. That would be the next safest way to do it without a scale.

Be careful though, phen isn't a very euphoric feeling benzo, and taking a little too much can leave you blacked out for days. It is a great benzo for social anxiety and sleeping, as long as the LOW PROPER DOSES are taken. Taking high doses for recreation is just looking for some serious bad news.

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah, keep in mind if you take too high of a dose with this one, you'll be out of your mind for days...

 

[Pegasus]

^That's awesome, though I wonder how it can get 10-15mg of powders of differeent consistencies. For example, I had some 2C-C before that was the most insanely fluffy powder ever... Phenazepam I've had has been very dense, though. Maybe when the fluffy powder is compacted it works? Care to comment on this HOOD, since I've never seen one of these before?

 

[Mercc96]

is there any of these scoops avaible in the UK? ive tried amazon google and ebay, with no luck

 

[Pegasus]

^For US$18.25, I think I'd just invest $6 more and get these mg scales... JMO though!

 

[Mercc96]

I have scales, but i measure the powder onto the scales with a spoon, often pouring on 25mg instead of the 5mg i wanted. If i had one of these I could dose alot more accurately.

 

[Xtc <3]

Im confused, how on earth can that 'scoop' thing possibly be accurate.
So a full scoop is guaranteed to contain 10-15mg no matter what substance your dealing with or is it specifically for phenazepam? Even then phenazepam will vary from batch to batch, am I being an idiot here or am I correct in thinking that the scoop is going to be useless and is best avoided, especially for something as potent as Phenazepam.

 

[ThePharmicist]

Im confused, how on earth can that 'scoop' thing possibly be accurate.
So a full scoop is guaranteed to contain 10-15mg no matter what substance your dealing with or is it specifically for phenazepam? Even then phenazepam will vary from batch to batch, am I being an idiot here or am I correct in thinking that the scoop is going to be useless and is best avoided, especially for something as potent as Phenazepam.

I think you're correct here, I checked out the page for the scoops and they're just 10-15mg scoops. The volume of the scoop is in mg. So I suppose in theory if you have 100% pure phenazepam the scoops would be accurate. That's the best that's going to happen with this situation. If this idiot doesn't want to spend a couple bucks on a decent scale the only way we can really practice harm reduction is by doing what Deezy did and sending this kid a "MG Scoop."

Let's face it, we're not going to talk him out of this.

OP you better be fucking careful, you're mixing benzos with heroin which you know is dangerous. Mixing phenazepam with heroin will be a lot more dangerous if you're not willing to invest in some kind of proper measurement system. Phenazepam is like the china white of benzos. Just a little can be too much.

 

[Pegasus]

I think because the size is so small, the 50% deviance of the scoop is given to account for the differences in volume. It still seems that some materials could fall outside this deviance, but I'd imagine it is still within a few mg of the stated amount. It is certainly better than the toothpick method!

 

[lineartransform]

It is absolutely inane to say that a scoop measures weight. It measures volume.

Assuming most powders lie within a certain density range, then yes, it may produce scoops of 10-15mg. Until the one time a decent chunk is in the middle, or a huge number of any other plausible scenarios that could lead to your estimate being 2-3x off.

A scoop is bullshit. I'm sorry. Get a real damn scale for a few bucks more, or don't bother.

 

[RobotRipping]

Liquid measurement is the only safe way to use this stuff. I still recommend using a scale to get an accurate measure of how much material you are starting with in the first place.

Take note that this shit is impossible to dissolve easily. I would use strong alcohol to dissolve it and it would take a bit of heat and lots of stirring and crushing to get it to finally dissolve. The most I could really get was about 1.5mg/ml before I got too irritated trying to mix it.
I would usually mix up a week's worth of doses, so 20ml with about 30mg. The batches eventually became larger and things certainly got more dangerous.

Phenezepam is a great drug if you don't want to remember anything. I'm thankful I cannot easily get it anymore, as it was wayyy too cheap and I was way too out of control to handle it.