Benzos Phenazepam and social anxiety

[Mystery Brew]

From what I understand about phenazepam it has a long half life which in turn I believe making it useful for social anxiety treatment; but I also read it has a strong hypnotic effect making it very sedative. What are all your thoughts on using phenazepam for anxiety?

 

[Pegasus]

Being a benzo, it will surely work for anxiety for you to some degree. As for the hypnotic part, just use less than the amount that would make you drowsy.

 

[lazydullard]

Works okay for me on social anxiety. I never noticed any negative effects from phenazepam, but my hefty alcohol tolerance might be to thank for that.

Even a low dose once in the morning helps most the day. Medium doses (still below intoxicating dose) once or twice per day are even better. The main side effect on medium doses is that I will have almost no memories from that day. During the day, I can think and reason and act normal, but the next day, I have no memories. That's acceptable with my job and my friends, however.

Medium doses also make me more vulnerable to suggestion, as in, my friends can talk me into trouble a lot easier, and I don't really realize it.

I would use this when I can't drink.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Don't be scared off by "hypnotics" because they "can" put you to sleep. I find the best benzos are mainly used as hypnotics (flurazepam, midazolam, triazolam).

I have yet to try phenazepam but that might change as time goes on. It has a very long duration (many people on BL say it's 1 to 2 days, I've heard people say the 2nd day is better than the 1st), but I don't think it kicks in too quickly.

If you use a small/moderate dose (depending on tolerance) you should be able to get good anxiolytic relief while avoiding the amnesia/hypnotic effects. When I take midazolam or flurazepam or triazolam I don't pass out until I want to really.

 

[rangrz]

I personally find it too impairing for doing anything on, hypnotic and amnesia as well as loss of gross motor co-ordination effects seem to be very strong. but I'm not overly tolerant or use to the effects of CNS depressants. Try small doses and see how it goes?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I personally find it too impairing for doing anything on, hypnotic and amnesia as well as loss of gross motor co-ordination effects seem to be very strong. but I'm not overly tolerant or use to the effects of CNS depressants. Try small doses and see how it goes?

I'm not tolerant at all to benzos or most CNS depressants either, so that's why if you do try phenazepam, measure carefully and don't eyeball doses.

Rangrz - what doses did you try that you found loss of motor coordination and the amnesia?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

I've been taking phenazepam for the past few months.. dont ask about my dosages cuz they're just crazy.. BUT back when I first started with this drug 1-2mg was perfect.. not too impairing but it felt nice. And CH is right when he said some people say the 2nd day is better because I'm the one who told him that. Dose on the 1st day 1.5mg and wait a couple hours for the effects.. then when you go to bed and wake up the next day you feel even better than the 1st day you took the drug. and by "better" I mean better anxiety relief and better overall feeling of "well being".

 

[rangrz]

I'm not tolerant at all to benzos or most CNS depressants either, so that's why if you do try phenazepam, measure carefully and don't eyeball doses.

Rangrz - what doses did you try that you found loss of motor coordination and the amnesia?

I had moderate ataxia in the 3/4mg dosage area. slow, un-coordinated movements and dizzy/balance problems.

amnesia for me anything above .5mg, but obviously getting worse as it went higher. at 1mg I would just be fuzzy about say, sleep onset time from the previous night, at 4mg, I forgot all kinds of details about what I did, only grabbing the overall picture.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ True everyone has different effects at different dosages but I was fine with 1-2mg my first time with the drug.


Edit: just to note that I had barely any tolerance to benzos when I started. I might just have a natural high tolerance to benzos.

I didn't find it too hypnotic neither tho.

 

[dankstersauce]

It worked great for my social anxiety. It wasn't overly sedating for me at all.

heres how you prep it, you need:
-a sheet of perforated blotter paper (buy online)
-high proof alcohol (everclear if you can get it)
-phenazepam
-oral or regular syringe

Dissolve the phenazepam in ethanol (just eyeball the amount of ethanol, it's been a while since i've done this, but I'd guess roughly 250ml everclear should be plenty for 1000mgs of phenazepam).
Use the syringe to evenly distribute the solution over the blotter paper. If you have more solution left over after your blotter paper is soaked, just let the alcohol evaporate (this is why the higher proof alcohol the better) and redose the paper as evenly as possible. It worked out nicely when I did it using 2 sheets of blotter paper for 1000mgs.

Now you know roughly how much phenazepam you have per blotter and avoid dosing too highly.
As far as dosing I'd say 1mg is equal to about 1 mg xanax or kpin. It come on quick like xanax but lasts long like kpins. I never found it overly hypnotic or sedating.....unless I wanted to be sedated then I'd take +4mgs. But I have a semi-high benzo tolerence.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

It worked great for my social anxiety. It wasn't overly sedating for me at all.

heres how you prep it, you need:
-a sheet of perforated blotter paper (buy online)
-high proof alcohol (everclear if you can get it)
-phenazepam
-oral or regular syringe

Dissolve the phenazepam in ethanol (just eyeball the amount of ethanol, it's been a while since i've done this, but I'd guess 250ml everclear should be plenty for 1000mgs of phenazepam).
Use the syringe to evenly distribute the solution over the blotter paper. If you have more solution left over after your blotter paper is soaked, just let the alcohol evaporate (this is why the higher proof alcohol the better) and redose the paper as evenly as possible.

Now you know roughly how much phenazepam you have per blotter and avoid dosing too highly.

I just bought a mg scale off ebay.. you can get some pretty cheap and they aren't too bad neither. within +1/-1 mg so if you were to way out 1mg you'd get between 0-2mg which is exactly the starting dose id recomend

 

[hobhead]

appx. 1.25 mg took 2 days to wear off and there was no up side of taking it. motor control was shot. not everyone will have this sort of result i realize but take care when thinking about driving.

 

[rangrz]

^ True everyone has different effects at different dosages but I was fine with 1-2mg my first time with the drug.


Edit: just to note that I had barely any tolerance to benzos when I started. I might just have a natural high tolerance to benzos.

I didn't find it too hypnotic neither tho.

I was fine at that dose, as in not dysphoric or having such poor judgement to get me in trouble. i just woulnd't want to work/daily life stuff in that state.

it was fine for sleeping/lazy day/come down/fucking around in non formal and unimportant settings.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I had moderate ataxia in the 3/4mg dosage area. slow, un-coordinated movements and dizzy/balance problems.

amnesia for me anything above .5mg, but obviously getting worse as it went higher. at 1mg I would just be fuzzy about say, sleep onset time from the previous night, at 4mg, I forgot all kinds of details about what I did, only grabbing the overall picture.

I think that's not going to be too bad for me IMO.

I usually take 0.5mg of alprazolam, so I was planning on taking 0.5mg or less of phenazepam for the first time.

How does phenazepam compare to other benzos in terms of potency? How many mg's of lorazepam or alprazolam would equal 0.5mg phenazepam?

 

[rangrz]

IIRC, its about equipotent with alprazolam while regarding that they all have uniqueness and that this one is long acting and highly hypnotic.

and equivalence tend to be up for debate. It feels weaker then the same amount alprazolam to me, but fucks up my motor control worse, but thats just me.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

IIRC, its about equipotent with alprazolam while regarding that they all have uniqueness and that this one is long acting and highly hypnotic.

and equivalence tend to be up for debate. It feels weaker then the same amount alprazolam to me, but fucks up my motor control worse, but thats just me.

Good stuff man. Do you think I should start with 0.25mg or less to be extra careful, or do you think 0.5mg is the least most people would feel?

Keep in mind if I shot < 2mg of midazolam I'd be high for hours and have a great rush right after doing so. I only consume 5-6mg at the most flurazepam (only 1 or 2mg if IV'd), 0.5mg alprazolam, 1mg lorazepam, 0.25mg triazolam. All of those amounts by themselves would get me pretty high/relaxed.

Also one last question - if you wanted to take 0.25mg or 0.5mg, and wanted to take more, could you? I know with xanax if I took 0.25mg and wanted another 0.25mg, it would NOT be the same as having just taken 0.5mg in the beginning. I don't know why it just appears to be that way for me.

How long does it take for the onset of phenazepam to begin, and how long until your peaking? I know it'll vary for different people, I'm just interested.

Thanks for your advice, rangrz.

 

[Mystery Brew]

thanks everyone on the informational post.

is there any degrading or is it stable in the alcohol/phenazepam or the blotter with phen?

another question I thought doesnt need to start a whole nother thread for is..does phenazepam trigger the normal urine drug test for benzo positive? Im take it, it does but im not positive

 

[Captain.Heroin]

thanks everyone on the informational post.

is there any degrading or is it stable in the alcohol/phenazepam or the blotter with phen?

another question I thought doesnt need to start a whole nother thread for is..does phenazepam trigger the normal urine drug test for benzo positive? Im take it, it does but im not positive

We don't allow drug test questions, but it's an unscheduled drug, so I might as well tell you the truth. *shrugs* If the "no drug tests Q's" rule is true for OTC/unscheduled drugs, I'll delete this post.

Phenazepam is a 1,4-benzodiazepine. So yes, it will show up on a drug test as benzos. Most other benzos are 1,4's (lorazepam, diazepam, clonazepam, flurazepam) though there are other classes like the triazolo class (alprazolam, triazolam) and the imidazo's (midazolam, loprazolam). But all of these benzo classes show up as benzos on a drug test (AFAIK, I'm 99.9% sure they all do).

This is assuming that phenazepam metabolizes into a detectable metabolite. Maybe it doesn't show up. Maybe if it shows up they send the results to the lab for further analysis they find out it's phenazepam and they realize it's unscheduled so you don't get in shit for it??

I have no idea.

So really, I can't answer your question, but I shared my suspicions that it would show up.

Hope I helped.

 

[brokenbrain]

I mixed 1g into 1000ml PropGly and it looked totally unmixed. 100ml was placed into a clean herb jar and cooked at 4 mins on min in a microwave, taken out, put top on and shaken and it was clear. The rest was in a clean litre vodka bottle and after a few days in the fridge was dissolved.
I've got many oral syringes.
I have been taking 2ml at the start of work, and 2 just after lunch, then 2-3ml at bed time.
Now the main thing here has been to leave a day between. But no one seems to know the half/full life. The days I have taken 6-7ml have been really nice and relaxing and as long as opiates/alcohol/weed not come along have had no problem with amnesia.
I did one idiot day last week, but I won't discuss that here. And another time I told a few people about phen and tried to explain what it was and it went over their heads...been taking legal/loop hole highs for years now as street drug dealers are usually scum.
Think I'm going to stick 1g somewhere safe for much later and work out a safe regime....as the 2nd day anxiolitic effect is so good.Better than any prescription drug I've taken, and I can still get up ok without sleeping till 2pm or worse.
Just wish there was some proven info as to how long a 2ml dose taken at 11pm lasts. I would like to do it Mon, Wed and Fri....but that looks like the makings of a disaster. So I'd need help to work out a safer regime.

Personally I would like to use a different substance 5 days a week, with maybe a few mixes eg a little drink or weed/hash....and 2 days clean.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I mixed 1g into 1000ml PropGly and it looked totally unmixed. 100ml was placed into a clean herb jar and cooked at 4 mins on min in a microwave, taken out, put top on and shaken and it was clear. The rest was in a clean litre vodka bottle and after a few days in the fridge was dissolved.
I've got many oral syringes.
I have been taking 2ml at the start of work, and 2 just after lunch, then 2-3ml at bed time.
Now the main thing here has been to leave a day between. But no one seems to know the half/full life. The days I have taken 6-7ml have been really nice and relaxing and as long as opiates/alcohol/weed not come along have had no problem with amnesia.
I did one idiot day last week, but I won't discuss that here. And another time I told a few people about phen and tried to explain what it was and it went over their heads...been taking legal/loop hole highs for years now as street drug dealers are usually scum.
Think I'm going to stick 1g somewhere safe for much later and work out a safe regime....as the 2nd day anxiolitic effect is so good.Better than any prescription drug I've taken, and I can still get up ok without sleeping till 2pm or worse.
Just wish there was some proven info as to how long a 2ml dose taken at 11pm lasts. I would like to do it Mon, Wed and Fri....but that looks like the makings of a disaster. So I'd help to work out a safer regime.

Personally I would like to use a different substance 5 days a week, with maybe a few mixes eg a little drink or weed/hash....and 2 days clean.

I would do this; 4 weeks in a month. 1st week, use phenazepam 2 times, spaced out by at least two days. 2nd week, use phenazepam once. repeat for 3rd and 4th weeks.

That shouldn't create a dependency because you're spending 3 and then 5 days off of it. Then again if you can stick to once a week for every week of the month that would definitely not cause a dependency at all IMO.