Pharmacist Faces Murder Charge In Shooting

The video has been shown on the national news, and I'm sure can be found online with ease.

Willful extrajudicial execution. 16 years old = child.

If he was so fightened of him, why did he turn his back on the kid after he shot him to chase the other kid ?

Why did he come back inside, turn his back to the kid on the ground again, to fetch a bigger gun.

Fear doesn't excuse willful murder.
 
16 year olds can be charged as adults in courts of law can they not? (That's not necessarily rhetorical lol :).)
 
yeah... I just saw the vid on the link. I'm assuming the kid was laying off screen below the cameras sight.. soo... The guy shot em in the head, chased the others off, then comes back in, grabs another gun, then goes back over to the kid and executed him after all that?... thaaaaat doesn't look good at all for him..

he'd of been a lot better off doing it all at once, that coming back shit's no good
 
The kid is off the screen. We don't know if he was getting up or what. It's speculation, and as far as I'm concerned, there's no way they can prove that he wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
its the kid who stalls to put on his mask after walking in the door. he didnt look like he was holding a gun, just walks hands at his sides to the right and then gets shot as his buddy bolts. Pharmacist comes back meanders about for a while then leans over to finish the job. says murder to me...
 
After seeing this on the news, they said the pharmacy had been robbed a few times before. I can't blame him for shooting him to protect his business, but the fact he shot the guy 5 times after he shot him in the head and was dead, kinda is a problem.

I think they said that it was illegal for the pharmasist himself to carry a weapon, but not if someone else in the store had. Strange story, but definately shooting a dead person 6 times is not going to win brownie points in court.

"Ersland felled Parker with a gunshot to the head, then chased the other robber outside, according to surveillance video released by Oklahoma County prosecutors. He retrieved another gun from a locked drawer after re-entering the store and shot Parker five more times. Prosecutors contend there was no reason to shoot the teen again because he was unarmed and incapacitated. "

It seems the kid was unconscious, not dead, from the first shot.

The detectives and forensic team seem to believe that the second volley of shots (after he went and got another gun, stood over the kid point blank and fired 5 shots) were the cause of death- resulting in a murder charge.

Some TV commentators speculated that had the boy been dead from the first shot, he would have been let off on a self-defense plea. So, from the reports out now, the boy wasn't dead until he returned with another gun, at point blank range and pumped 5 more bullets into the unconscious boy.
 
If he was going to hurt anyone he would have.

Retail robberies are simple. Give it up. They leave. No one gets hurt.

Murdering children in cold blood (which is what he did, it wasn't in defense of himself or anyone else) is inexcusable.


This may be a few months old, but that is utter bullshit. There are MANY clerks/workers murdered, in COLD BLOOD, when they let the robbers take whatever they wanted. Hell, a 19yr old girl here in my town was shot and killed at a convenience store late at night, she was behind the counter, offering no resistance to a man stealing cigarettes and beer, as he was on his way out, he stopped long enough to shoot her in the head as she was pleading for her life.

No, that pharmacist was threatened with a gun, the robber deserved everything he asked for.
 
This may be a few months old, but that is utter bullshit. There are MANY clerks/workers murdered, in COLD BLOOD, when they let the robbers take whatever they wanted. Hell, a 19yr old girl here in my town was shot and killed at a convenience store late at night, she was behind the counter, offering no resistance to a man stealing cigarettes and beer, as he was on his way out, he stopped long enough to shoot her in the head as she was pleading for her life.

No, that pharmacist was threatened with a gun, the robber deserved everything he asked for.

There certainly are homicidal people out there. However, I'd stake anything that fewer retail clerks, pharmacists, innocent bystanders, etc would be hurt or killed if they simply give up the money/drugs/whatever with no resistance.
 
There certainly are homicidal people out there. However, I'd stake anything that fewer retail clerks, pharmacists, innocent bystanders, etc would be hurt or killed if they simply give up the money/drugs/whatever with no resistance.

Easy to say when you are not the clerk behind the counter. Are YOU going to risk your life by doing nothing, or are you going to make SURE you are not the one that ends up dead?

Dead is dead. I still think the 16yr old is not a CHILD per say, he showed violent intentions, and deserved his punishment. 16 yr olds are not misunderstanding, ignorant "children", they know right from wrong. The punishment definitely fit the crime, in this case.

Personally, violent attacks should end this way more often, with the attacker dead, that way we don't spend hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars to let him sit out his life in prison being fed, watching tv, getting books, magazines, etc.
 
Easy to say when you are not the clerk behind the counter. Are YOU going to risk your life by doing nothing, or are you going to make SURE you are not the one that ends up dead?

Dead is dead. I still think the 16yr old is not a CHILD per say, he showed violent intentions, and deserved his punishment. 16 yr olds are not misunderstanding, ignorant "children", they know right from wrong. The punishment definitely fit the crime, in this case.

Personally, violent attacks should end this way more often, with the attacker dead, that way we don't spend hundreds of hundreds of thousands of dollars to let him sit out his life in prison being fed, watching tv, getting books, magazines, etc.

I've worked retail for a long time, and often tell my shit-talking co-workers that if they value their lives they'll do what they're asked by the person with the weapon.

There was no 'violent attack', there was an implied threat of violence; not a violent attack. These two kids didn't hurt anybody, and I don't think they would have even if no one pulled out a weapon (in which case, like I said, they still didn't hurt anyone).
 
First we need to define what self defense means in that state. Every state is different, since all states operate by the common law or penal code system. Generally though, self defense is using equal or less than means of protecting yourself against the criminal. In other words, If somebody is kicking your ass, using a knife or gun would be considered excessive. The only way to be justified in using lethal force is when a) your life is in immediate danger, AND b) you have exhausted all methods of escape. Again, the law varies state by state, but by hearing the DA on this case talk about the charges, it seems like they have this general idea.

Second, we need to define murder. Murder in the first degree is willingly, knowingly killing someone with malice intent. In other words, its premeditated murder if: "In one seconds, I will kill you", or "Im going to kill this person. .5 second later, I kill him. It is extremely hard to disprove this mindset in the court of law. Murder in the second degree is when you willingly, knowingly kill some with malice intent without premeditation.

Manslaughter. This can be used in many different ways. I will only describe what could be a plea bargain in this case. Heat of passion crimes fit under the umbrella of manslaughter. If I was a cop with a gun on my hip, and I walked into my house, and seeing my wife get nailed on the kitchen table, and shoot both of them, that is a heat of passion crime. In this case, a good defense would prove manslaughter is the correct charge, compared to second degree murder.

Alright, after looking at all the facts made public in this case, this is kinda a tuffy. The pharmacist was justified to use a weapon to deter the criminals. Him feeling like his life was in immediate danger, he shot one of the criminals in self defense. I believe this was justified.

Criminal was hit and injured, and victim attempted to apprehend other robber. Returning to the shot criminal, shots were put in him again. This is where the line is. Self defense ENDS when the threat is no longer existent, and using excessive force like this was a double no-no.

I think a good defense would argue in favor for a heat of passion crime, which fits under manslaughter, and/or they will try to disprove premeditation (murder 1). We can't possibly go into this mans head and know what he was thinking at that time. This is the responsibility of the psych during discovery.

I haven't heard anything about this, but is the living robber going to have the felony-murder rule apply to him?

(These facts are solid, Im helping my friend study for the state bar exam)
 
I've watched enough Law & Order to know that retreiving the second firearm forms intent :)
 
I think intent is irreverent here. He apparently intended to kill, but passion or premeditation is the big "?".

PS...Law and order is incorrect in so many ways in regards to NY law...lol. Enumerated due process rights doesnt even exist in that show, and torts are so off its not even funny...lol
 
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