You are one of the few people I've ever come across who genuinely enjoy barbs in the first place, I'd take benzos/carisoprodol/gabapentin any day over them personally.What qualities about them do you find personally beneficial?
No worries about the typing, totally understandable.
This is an easy one to answer.
No worries about the typing, totally understandable.
Hope you manage the necessary "landing" you are needing.
Seems like aripiprazole wouldn't be on my "go to" list for what you were using it for in the above case, but antipsychotics and dissociative types of meds, in my personal experience and opinion, are my least favorite pharmaceuticals for any purpose. But that is besides the point and totally subjective.
This is an easy one to answer.
The "genuinely enjoy barbs" is 100% true only because of the Euphoria and Recreational experiences I had with them which ended at least 10 years ago, when they just didn't exist anymore ( expired stock included....the main source of all the samples I managed to get my hands on back in those days).
For the purpose of medicinal value at this stage of my life and with the new medications on the market, I wouldn't be touching barbituates at all, even though they were in a class of their own, especially with regards to stimulant come down assistance.
Never had any pharmaceuticals since those times given me the same Euphoric, Clean and immensly pleasurable feeling I got from those big 3 mentioned in previous post. And being lucky enough to experience them back then and still be alive to tell the story is the reason I mention them on BL when it seems appropriate.
So purely for "abusive" purposes the Barbs were fantastic.
Hope this is what you were asking.
Case in point, if you had Vesparax, Secobarbital, Tuinal or even Rohypnol on hand to help with the "abortion" of your "trip", I would be recommending any of the first three mentioned as the best and most effective "come down" tool - with the Rohypnol coming in as the best in today's times as it is still available (I do know that Secobarbital is also still available, but getting Flunitrazepam would be easier than Secobarbital I would think).
And there would never be a "come down", as the "come down" when medicated with the above became a very pleasurable part of the whole trip, in fact it was the part of the trip I was always looking forward to, but only if I had any of the above meds on hand for when I wanted the trip to end.
Oh and almost forgot to mention that I agree with your take on "benzos/carisoprodol/gabapentin" being the better option ( hence the whole Stilpane/Meprobomate "thesis" I posted earlier to another BL member). - carisoprodol and meprobamate are basically "twins" of a sort (like Lisdex and Dex).
But the Barbs were "S Tier" for me.
The only problem is they worked so well that less than an hour after everything was smoothed out ( come down over, anxiety over etc, ) the very next step I would always do was just to do it a again ( take another trip or stim and "buy the ticket and take the ride' again and again ).
Short and sweet version is Yes I have tried it.
I’m just wondering because I saw on one of my vendors lists he had phenobarbital tablets listed at 100mg each. Still probably not worth it huh.Short and sweet version is Yes I have tried it.
The longer version, that I had to type out to clarify how it felt to take Phenobarbital and if anyone is interested, then the below is worth reading too.
Wouldn't class it as the same "strength" wise as the others I mentioned, and in fact I found it pretty weak ( for recreational/euphoric seeking effects ). It worked better in a similar way to what Meprobamate does but even weaker than Meprobamate IME.
This should all start to make sense after reading the below brief analogy and examples of the medications that had or still have Phenobarbital in them.
So here it goes...
For the purposes it was prescribed for and for the fact that it is still produced and combined in certain prescription medications to this day eg. Similar to the Stilpane mentioned many times already, and that because Stilpane contains Meprobamate, the scheduling status of Stilpane is "S5"- so it can be prescribed as "repeatable" for a few months unlike "S6" meds which require a new script every month. Examples of Schedule 6 meds would be Vyvanse/Ritalin/Oxycodone/Morphine and the barbiturates of old, the ones mentioned in my earlier post, as well has a certain benzo, falls into this higher controlled category "S6" where Rohypnol(Flunitrazepam) sits now.
Rohypnol used to be a Schedule 5 medication with a 2mg recommended dose, but is now a Schedule 6 drug with a 1mg recommended dose ( So all docs need to do for patients needing this specific medication is say "take 2 tablets for sleep" and they would put the quantity of monthly 1mg tablets as 60 ).
The patient would still need a new script each month, but at least it is available and at the original strength too.
Now to bring Phenobarbital into this analogy, here are the ingredients of a drug that was available and also classed as "S5" that contained Phenobarbital
Propain forte
Ingredients
Codeine:10mg
Paracetamol:400mg
Diphenhydramine:5mg
Caffeine:50mg
Phenobarbital:8mg
Not sure if this is still on the market with the same name, but compare the above to the Stilpane example below.
Stilpane
Ingredients
Paracetamol:320mg
Caffeine:32mg
Codeine Phosphate:8mg
Meprobamate:150mg
pretty similar don't you think.
So again, Yes I have tried Phenobarbital, and was not impressed at all. In fact I got more relief out of 40mg Codeine than Phenobarbital.
If I had to rate Phenobarbital, I would only give it around 4/10 vs the 9/10 or higher rating I would give for Vesparax, Secobarbital and Tuinal.
I would give Rohypnol (best benzo IME) a 8/10
The Meprobamate combo (Stilpane) a 7/10.
Hope this puts into perspective from my experience and study that as a barbiturate, Phenobarbital for recreational type of use is not worth it at all.
Another long post to a simple "yes" answer, but needed to clarify that even the same class of drug family can have certain members that are either more strictly controlled (eg. a benzo that is Schedule 6 (Rohypnol) when all others are only Schedule 5 (Temazepam, Nitrazepam, Alprazolam etc).
or less strictly controlled like a barbiturate that is still available and can be prescribed with repeatable prescriptions ie. Phenobarbital - the irony is that if the Phenobarbital was produced without the OTC ingredients seen above, it would fall into the higher controlled S6 status.
Last and easy comparison that I definitely know is in effect to this day is normal Codeine and the example is simple..... 30mg Codeine tablets are available, but are Schedule 6. but you can buy OTC codeine 10mg that come with paracetamol and the rest in packs of 40 Over the Counter without a prescription.
It boggles the mind.
Anyways,, nice chatting.
Nah, not worth it.. IMO
I can get ALMOST any benzo so I’m satisfied outside of the fact that I’ve never been able to try a barb. Idk if GHB would technically count as one-but I guess if it did then I could say yes I’ve tried that. I love real Valium and I miss the old OxyContin. I also miss real Percuset which I’ve only ever seen a couple of times in Canada. We get the “TEC”s here. (5mg oxycodone/325 mg acetaminophen)- which are garbage compared to the blue percuset I tried back in the day. I’ve also never tried real brand name Ativan or real brand name Klonopin. Which are on my to do list . Our Canadian generic medication system is crap . I mean I guess we have a lot of upsides to our healthcare but we’re taxed like crazy and the care is sub par at the best of times unless it’s a severe life threatening emergency that’s been officiated.
