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Peruvian torch (or possibly another drug) - no psychedelic experience, want some advi

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Alright so I recently realised that it's possible to legally aquire some psychadelic drugs.

I think the catch is that they're not officially sold for human consumption.

I was given some advice about psychadelic drugs by some guy at a party not long ago.

I believe his advice was focused on mescaline, but it may well have been on peruvian torch, as I seem to remember him using that term, and as the store he recommended me to buy it from has no mescaline, but does have peruvian torch (among other drugs).


He told me 25 grams should be an appropriate amount, told me to mix it heavily as it was to taste horridly, preferably not to eat 24 hours prior to taking it (I think I'd drink lots of water and eat a bit, like cucumber, and some bread which I'd chew extra thoroughly), as I might otherwise well feel sick and vomit.

I think he said it would last like 16 hours.



Anyways.... my facts are jumpled up (I actually took notes on my cell phone, but I was a bit drunk at the time), so I'm wondering what I got right, if anything.


I'd greatly appreciate if you'd critique the advice I've been given (or the advice as I remember it) and possibly follow up with some advice of your own.


Also, I'm contemplating the setting...

I could possibly watch a movie or something, but I'm also considering sneaking into this botanic garden at night (after it's closed, so there won't be strangers around who have no idea what I'm on), I think the unusual environment might serve as "inspiration" and enhance halucinations I might have.

I'm just wondering wether it would be a bad idea because it would be quite dark, which might (????) make it less visually stimulating.
On the other hand, I was told that you tend to halucinate when you close your eyes, so perhaps "not seeing" simply allows you to "see more"???

I also plan on bringing my Ipod so I can hear Pink Floyd, Donovan, Jimi, or some other trippy stuff.


Hope I wasn't too longwinded and unorganized, like I said, I'd greatly appreciate some advice.
 
Hello and welcome to bluelight!

No store sells mescaline to private people, but cactus powder like powdered dry Peruvian Torch is available. I have tried to ingest it but I found it very hard to get the stuff down: in powder form it's much too dry to eat, if you add water it first turns into a slime.

It's virtually necessary to prepare it using some sort of recipe. You could make cactus tea, but honestly I advise you to do it right straight away and avoid terrible attempts. Making an extract is really not all that hard and it is explained extensively in this thread.

Also check this out:

Check this list for the main threads of PD (psychedelic drugs)

In it there is also this psychedelic cactus thread

In the list is also the Set & Setting thread

( Next time remember to look through this list of threads covering many common topics or use the search function.
That way everyone is concentrated in one place for the subject and we won't have identical threads being started
up all the time. Thank you :) )
 
For your first time, don't watch a movie. I have had amazing 3D lego hallucinations from watching movies on acid but I also watched movies enough other times where it was a shame I just wallowed in distraction (although sometimes it's good and relaxing).

Being in nature is an excellent idea, but maybe visiting a sunny park is better than sneaking around the first time you trip. Could be suspenseful, could be weird and a little uncomfortable...
If you go to the botanical garden consider bringing a friend who is also tripping on cactus...
 
I absolutely love music and figure bringing my Ipod is a good idea....
The thing about a sunny park though is, as I imagine, that there'll be lots of people around...

I don't know how clear it will be to outsiders that I'm tripping out, but I'm just thinking there's a chance I'd get into trouble somehow.

If the nigthtime is supposed to enhance halucinegic effects, I'm definitely still considering sneaking into a botanical garden...

I've heard about the concepts of set and setting, so I'll try and keep/maintain a positive attitude and not think of it as sneaking in, but rather as an adventure.

Any ideas on how long the effects of such powder will last?
I'm thinking, will I be tripped out when the garden opens next morning, if I haven't ventured home or something at that point.

Yeah, I'd like to bring a friend, the thing is, I'm not sure if any of my friends would be up for it, and I'd feel guilty if the experience turned out bad for them... I'm considering though...

I'm also considering bringing my dad who was part of the hippie generation and has some experience... But I don't want him to be paranoid about the thing, as he might be, I mentioned that I might be interested in trying it at some point, which was sorta taboo in my mind to bring up and he said he'd like to be there if I did and that I should be careful...
 
Also, I'd like to thank Solipsis for his advice.

I had to leave, so I didn't get the time to check out the links he provided, I'm guessing some of my questions might be answered browsing those threads, I'll have a look at them tomorrow.
 
Don't forget you can use the "Search this thread" function for the big B&D threads to help you find what your looking for.

I'd advise to do an extraction. Also, 25g of cactus powder is likely not enough. Think about bumping that up. The potency varies from batch to batch but I would definitely go higher than 50g
 
Peruvians torch is a cactus of the Echinopsis genus (i think sometimes called a triccereus) Normally dried powder is around 1.5-2% mescaline. Please read up on methods before you start eating handfuls. Erowid will have about all the info you will need to pull off an extraction, or whatever you choose to do with it.
 
Mig said:
The thing about a sunny park though is, as I imagine, that there'll be lots of people around...

I don't know how clear it will be to outsiders that I'm tripping out, but I'm just thinking there's a chance I'd get into trouble somehow.
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well, if you're anything like me, you'll have this shit-eating grin on your face 90% of the time that you cannot contain when you look other people in the eye. and your pupils dilate. people will figure something up, so what? But tripping alone on mesc, you'll wish you had people around you. It's really empathetic.

If the nigthtime is supposed to enhance halucinegic effects, I'm definitely still considering sneaking into a botanical garden...
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nah, that person doesn't know what they're talking about. doing it in the dark really reduces the visuals. and the visuals are fucking amazing, if you want to experience them to the fullest, do it during the day.

I've heard about the concepts of set and setting, so I'll try and keep/maintain a positive attitude and not think of it as sneaking in, but rather as an adventure.
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this stuff is incredibly mood-enhancing, you'd have to be in a pretty shitty situation for it to turn bad...

Any ideas on how long the effects of such powder will last?
I'm thinking, will I be tripped out when the garden opens next morning, if I haven't ventured home or something at that point.
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i'd recommend reading up a bit on things before you try them. read around erowids cactus vault.

Yeah, I'd like to bring a friend, the thing is, I'm not sure if any of my friends would be up for it, and I'd feel guilty if the experience turned out bad for them... I'm considering though...
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yea man, tripping alone is kind of a bummer, but i don't have a lot of friends, and most of them are pussies when it comes to drugs, i trip alone often. :\

I'm also considering bringing my dad who was part of the hippie generation and has some experience... But I don't want him to be paranoid about the thing, as he might be, I mentioned that I might be interested in trying it at some point, which was sorta taboo in my mind to bring up and he said he'd like to be there if I did and that I should be careful...
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i gave my dad some cactus for fathers day. i considered dosing with him, but i didn't wanna get all mushy and lovey dovey with him...haha:o


take at least 50g. if you want a full experience, go for the 75-100. tbh, it's probably safer to start low to see how you react, but like i said, it's hard to have a bad experience...
 
Potency shouldn't be an issue if you used a good vendor. If these were self picked, it likely won't have an effect as it needs just the right conditions to produce anything approaching or exceeding 1% mescaline by dry weight. Usually they contain closer to .1%

25g is on the low side and I'd suggest 40-50g. If you have any past experience with psychedelics maybe 60-75g. Mescaline seems like one of the least likely to produce a bad trip IME. Then again, best start low. Maybe something in the 25-35g range if you feel any apprehension about doing it.

I've taken it up to 100g. I wouldn't recommend you start much above 50, maybe 60 max. That will give a low-mid level +3 usually without it becoming overwhelming.


If it is your first trip, 35-40g seems like it would be just right. If highly experienced with other psychs, I wouldn't be concerned with going up to 75g for a first time.

Don't try boiling or extracting. Just make sure it is ground as close to powder as possible and then mix with water till you get a goo and eat as fast as you can without losing it. Do your best to taste it as little as possible. The taste is horrid. Extractions can make it much less potent and I ended up burning it the one time I tried boiling. I then had a huge pot of thick slime and an inch of burnt stuff on the bottom.

Just try your best to eat it as I described. If you are too desperate to escape taste, you could used like several hundred gel caps, probably what it would take.
 
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^I don't know how people do that. I've tried ingesting straight powder twice. Once mixed with orange juice(yuuuuuck!) and once in 50+gelcaps.(.8 per)


both times, it felt like the stuff expanded tenfold in my stomach, and the most insane projectile vomit i've ever experienced in my life came out soon after.i can usually abstain from puking pretty good, but this stuff had the force of an f-16 about to go into battle. proceed with caution!!!
 
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both times, it felt like the stuff expanded tenfold in my stomach, and the most insane projectile vomit i've ever experienced in my life came out soon after.i can usually abstain from puking pretty good, but this stuff had the force of an f-16 about to go into battle. proceed with caution!!!
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Oh god. Me too. I consumed about 75 gelcaps full of powder and puked harder than I've ever puked before and it was also the worst tasting puke I've ever puked before. Ultimate yuck!

Alcohol extraction is decent. Next time I'm doing an A/B and weighing 400mg of crystal.
 
Hi Mig.

My first time out on P. Torch, I did 50 grams of 'chips' that I ground up to a fine powder. I just added water and drank it in four or five shots over abour an hour. No, it didn't taste good. One thing I did to limit the stomach upset was take a couple of gravol beforehand. I DID get sick about 2.5 hours into the whole thing, but it was brief and I did not regret swallowing it that way.

I also put a spoon of peanut butter in my mouth each time I downed the cactus to cover up the taste of the residue left behind. That was effective. Still, it's a bitter taste.

The 50 gram experience for me was enough for a first time. I was getting high inside one hour of starting to down the cactus. It was with me for at least 12 hours. A lot of the time I just wanted to lay back. It was sort of an energy zapper that way.

Good luck
 
^Well, you'd know - it was your idea. I'd call it the Xorkoth manoeuvre, but I'd probably have to explain it anyway.
 
Just so you know the Peruvian torch will work, but San Pedro tends to be more consistant with its mescaline content.

If you can purchase isopropyl alcohol, you can extract the mescaline more or less and avoid toss n washing like these fine folks here have done. That is my intention. Course I'll be hackin a Sandy P located round the corner from my house one of these nights...

Also, dont watch a movie. Give yourself stuff to see, dont do it at night. Tripping alone is totally fine, and I love it. Sometimes other people are a distraction. When I first do a drug, I prefer to do it alone to get the feel for it. Then I trip with friends later on.
 
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