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Perth Pills - 23/6/02

my mate managed to come across some green versaces in the down south region of wa. he showed me 2 of them after his mate and himself dropped. the pills were both a light lime green colour, with red/orange coloured flecks. one of the pills had more red flecks than the other, but both pills had a very clean press and score. unlike the white versace which i was told has an imprinted head, these were the same looking as the beige/pink versaces that have been making there way round. my mate and his friend took the pills a few hours after a full meal and came up in within a few hours. one mate seemed to be hit pretty hard and the other was just obviously buzzing. not tested, but said to be MDMA.
anyone got some info on these?
[ 22 July 2002: Message edited by: [tripdoctor] ]
 
WHITE CROWNS:
test dark purple in under 3 seconds, black in under 10 with marquis reagent (EZ test 1) indicating the prescence of an MDxx.
suspected contents: MDMA
pretty reasonable pill, feels like classic MDMA, except for the slight delay in the come up (~1 hour). This was not a uniform effect though, with friends reporting coming up after around 1/2 hour.
slightly shorter acting than usual, about 3 1/2 hours for me, after which i fell asleep. Once again though, this was not a uniform effect. friends reported around a 4 to 4 1/2 hour roll.
intensity once it comes on is relatively high, with a sustained peak and plateau of around 3 hours.
overall, decent pill. my rating: 7
-beeb
 
White Rolls Royces are apparently available. Source of information was not particularly reliable though, and have not heard any reports back. Unfortunately I haven't seen or tried them.
Just thought it might be nice to share the info (or should that be, lack of!?). Sorry if this post appears wishy washy.. but that's as much as I know, and no-one else has posted about them in this thread yet...
 
Friends of a friend tried some pills with an R on them. They were sold them as Rolls Royces. Unfortunately I can't remember what colour he said they were... they didn't work. Steer clear!!
 
Originally posted by entropope:
Friends of a friend tried some pills with an R on them. They were sold them as Rolls Royces. Unfortunately I can't remember what colour he said they were... they didn't work. Steer clear!!
Just before we all jump to conclusions the Rolls Royces are shite pillreports has a report describing the logo as "RR" not just an "R" so this could be someone selling something as Rolls Royce's not the real deal.
Think they rated an 7 or 8.
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Has any1 heard of clear white powdered capsles??? Thats all the info i can give you right now sorry. mmmm the crowns sound good.
 
^^
the white caps that were around 2 weeks ago were reported to be mind-blowingly good. That of course, means absolutely nothing.
The problem with capsules is that it's very, very easy for DD to get greedy during a time of relative drought, and start packing the leftover meth that's not selling so well into capsules, christening them MDMA and selling em off @ 50 bucks a pop.
The other problem that can occur with capsules is that if people have pills that have gained a bad rep for not being strong (or even dangerous, like the recent white pumas in perth) they can be tempted to crush em up and pack them into gel caps, to be sold as 'pure MDMA powder'
remember, gel caps are not hard to come by.
That said though, don't feel you can't give them a go. Just TEST them first, and there's no problem. I wouldn't personally want to rely on any specific info given here, because plain, clear, unmarked gel caps are so easy to come by, and easy to replicate, so even if someone tests a white gel cap, and posts the result here, it's possible you'll be getting something completely different.
p.s. sorry for the lecture, you prolly know this stuff already, but in the spirit of harm minimisation... :)
-beeb
 
few mates in perth dropped rolls royces on saturday night, unsure where they got them and what the logo was, but they all had a mad time. one described em as cokey (hah), and were overall good pillz. sorry for the lack of information. can anyone dig something up on the green versaces? read a few things in the versace thread, but none related to perth.
 
I'll remind people that in the case of MDMA powder you want the test result to be literally so fast to JET black you could not time it.
It will almost always fizz (react violently) also.
Anything else then its likely your MDMA powder is: cut down or a crushed up pill (almost certainly a rather poor one if its being crushed up).
Obviously the taste of the powder must always be insanely bitter; assuming binder has little taste then essentially "pure" MDMA powder would be 2-3 times more concentrated than a crushed up pill and we all know what a decent pill tastes like.
Green fish were in my pen pal's opinion one of the better pills of the year; no score, very tall, light green.
Classic MDMA effects and rather clean; you'd want two for a whole night but who doesnt these days. (The $64million question is of course is it the pills which are the reason for this or us?? :)
Better than crowns so i was told and probably better or at least as good as the old favourite the blue dome.
My pal said they seemed like quite a small pill say compared to the veraces; yet when they were crushed the amount of powder produced is ENORMOUS; way way more than the versaces.
Here lies an important variable of all pills which is often forgetten - the density of it and consequently its MASS - or in laymens terms the amount of powder squeezed into that little pill.
More powder = more mass = all things being equal (i.e: the MDMA:binder ratio is similar) then u have a much stronger pill.
Take a look at Dancesafes site: many pills despite having the SAME dimensions are actually TWICE the mass of others; food for thought, just a shame 2dp scales arent more common outside a laboratory :)
 
The pills sold as Rolls Royce that I posted about definitely only had a single R on them I'm told. And to think I've educated those lads about testing kits...
 
I was wondering if anyone has had one first hand or has any info on White mitsubishis.
The one i have is 9mm by 3mm and has grey speckles, very well pressed with the mitsubishi logo. A friend has tried one from this same batch and said it was pretty good.
So.. if anyone has any opinions to share with me itd be much appreciated :)
tHaNkS!
 
I have tried the white mitsubishis, and yes I am in the Perth area, I found them to only last about 3hrs, smooth uptake, it takes about 30mins, then it cruises along until it just mellows about 3hrs later. The first half and hr after it hits is pretty good, visuals, dancey, smiley, usual effects then it just cruises down and surges every half and hr getting weaker each time.
 
Just on hearing about single 'R' pills..... I remember around new years 2000/2001 there were single R ones sold as Rolls Royce's, but later realised they were the club Rennaissance logo. It's a capital R in running writing.
 
rolls royce, two "R"s over the top of each other, not script writing.... test black instantly, with E2...
wouldnt mind getting my hands on some of these...
 
WARNING
re: rolls royces
seem to be 2 pills in perth @ the moment being sold under the same heading. The first are white, with a double R imprint. i have neither tested nor encountered these, and am going off reports from other users.
the second are a slightly off-white/beige colour (it was a little dark, and hard to make out exact specifics) but what i saw was a reasonably large pill, flat top and bottom, score on the back, with logo on front being a SINGLE R with a kind of double strike through the first part of the R, in a kind of cursive writing. Sadly did not have the chance to test these, but observed effects of those who ate them. one girl lost her voice for most of the night, had her vision black in and for about 5 seconds numerous times, abnormal increase in pulse rate (though this could have been attributed to the stress related to other symptoms) and shortness of breath. At one point in the night she almost went into a seizure like state due to her difficulties with breathing, and i think her extreme panic at the situation.
without giving too many specifics, as i'm sure she doesn't want to be personally identified, this was a relatively young girl, ~14/15, with relatively small body size. she dosed half of one of the single R 'Rolls Royces'.
other friends who had halves or wholes did not experience the same severity of symptoms, some reporting dizzyness, and just not being 'all there'. Although there were also reports during the night of people experiencing 'bad' effects of pills, which i didn't personally witness. there was also one girl taken to the ER by ambulance, although i got no specifics on this, and it could have been an entirely unrelated incident.
now this is nothing conclusive, i'm aware, as it could have been an individual tolerance issue, but the girl told me she had dropped 'ecstacy' three times in the past, with no ill effects.
anyway, coming to the point of the post: if anyone happens to get there hands on one of these single R 'rolls' then could they possibly post test results up pronto? if there are any Perth Bluelighters out there who own a tester that can check for the prescence of a primary amine, maybe they could try and get their hands on one of these, and post the results? i'll once again say, it's not conclusive, but i'm pretty sure the possibility that these are PMA does exist, given the symptoms i described above.
i just don't want to see any more random kids OD'ing in the back of my car, it kinda puts a dampner on the whole night.
 
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Those pills are 8.5 x 4.5.
This was tested by dancesafe as MDA February in 2001, although in the past month there was exactly the same pills here in the UK and everyone who took them described MDA effects to me.
I know it might be a different batch you have over there but is that the press you are describing?
Hopefully that pic will help others if they are indeed a dodgy batch and thats the same press.
[ 28 July 2002: Message edited by: masheadatronic ]
 
shit, i wish i could be a little more coherent and specific about this... the picture posted above does look remarkably simillar to the one i saw, except the vertical line that you draw first when writing a capital R was double. i think. and i think they could have been slightly lighter, but as mentioned earlier, it was really dark, there were about 7 or 8 people crammed into a confined space, and most of them were frightened, scattered kids. not to even mention my own state of mind at the time.
i hope this kinda helps.
in regards to testing for MDA, the reports i heard didn't sound much like even a weak dose of MDA, there were no reports of either closed eye or open eye visuals, no 'speedy' effects were mentioned. everyone wanted to talk about how 'smacky' it was.
If these come up as testing positive for a primary amine, i think it would be pretty safe to assume that it is PMA not MDA causing the reaction, due to the above mentioned effects.
also, isn't it possible to screen for PMA using the first and second editions of testers in combination?... so if marquis 1 tests black and the second tests positive for primary amine you can assume the prescence of MDA, but if marquis tests clear, and the second shows primary amine, you can assume the prescence of PMA?
please correct me if i'm entirely off track.
-beeb
 
Could Ketamine be a culprit for the single R pills?
although its hard to believe half a K pill taken orally would have much effect, even for a "kid".
This is not intended to be a lecture, but beeblebrox, the way you told your story it seems as if you are an adult supervising a bunch of 15yr olds who imho have no place taking much more than a panadol.
I personally would be very careful if minors (and very minor at that) were ingesting illegal substances and then wound up in my car in trouble. Trust me, the law likes to point fingers and the state loves to prosecute adults over juveniles especially when a "responsible" adult can be singled out in a situation where a juvenile is doing something they shouldnt be doing; especially when it will no doubt be assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the juvenile could not have accomplished such a feat without the assistance of an adult.
On the testers:
In short you CAN positively identify a PMA pill if there is ONLY PMA in it.
The following reactions would be:
Marquis: COLOURLESS
Robadope: (primary amine) SALMON
Simon's: (secondary amine) COLOURLESS
There are OTHER drugs this could be however; BUT the chances of it actually being PMA are VERY VERY high. It cannot be any MDXX, opiate, amphetamine, methamphetamine, DXM, 2-CB or ketamine.
Thus there essentially isnt much left - so for safety u ASSUME PMA.
The problem is where PMA is contained as a combo;
e.g: Marquis: purple
Simons: colourless
Robadope: salmon;
this is safe to assume MDA although technically could be MDA and PMA.
BUT: Marquis: purple
Simon's: blue
Robadope: salmon
This is where the tester's ability falls apart; many combinations are possible including: MDMA/MDA, MDMA/PMA, MDMA/PMA/MDA, MDMA/amphetamine, methamphetamine/PMA; you get the idea.
You would hope that any PMA combo pill is likely to have smaller amounts of PMA; but can u ever be sure? - NO.
Its a shame the Xtreme isnt more widely available though as its such a powerful test as any reaction for Robadope (other than in conjunction with the results which would imply a pure MDA pill) could at least mean the pill would be treated with additional scrutiny. The chances PMA is contained in it is more than slight when one remembers that primary amines in general are rather rare.
(e.g: primary amines: MDA, amphetamine, PMA, 2-CB, DOB = all relatively rare compared with MDMA, methamphetamine, caffeine, ephedrine, ketamine)
And slight, for PMA, is enough!
 
in regard to whats going around in perth at the moment,some friends had white crowns the other night (at *). although they have had good reports most were not very pleased with them,i have not tried them yet so will post report when i do.
[Edit: Venue details removed. BigTrancer]
[ 29 July 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]
 
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