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People who aren't depressed and taking SSRI's?

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that's a ridiculous statement. neither of the substances you listed are psychoactive. A/Ds are.
I just can't fathom why you're so adamant on this subject... and not even admit the POSSIBILITY of being wrong. It's just being childish and stubborn.

I'm not telling ANYONE to go out and take A/Ds to get high, I'm just telling the truth. If truth be told, I think A/Ds are some of the most harmful drugs out there and should be banned, but that's just my opinion. I won't force feed it to someone else. I'm not like that.
 
Fujicrow said:
Please...saying A/Ds can't get you high is if you're not depressed is like saying benzos can't relax you unless you're an anxious person.
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That's not true at all. I never mentioned any correlation between these two drugs.

there can be people who are better "wired" for happiness... I have this friend who could be starving in the street, with parents who pimp him for the next dose of crack and still be happy, and a friend who has EVERYTHING going for him that is always depressed...
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That's an assumption you are making. It may be true that some people are 'wired' better for happiness, but it certainly not one that has been proven. One person may be more happy in general because of the outlook they have on life. This doesn't have to be due to a 'hardware' issue, and certainly does not have to be a condition which cannot be altered psychotherapy, which would be suggested by your use of the term 'wired'.
 
Fujicrow said:
depending on the SSRI, you might get zoned out, monged out, hyper, happy, depressed, suicidal, stimulated, lethargic...anything could happen...Not worth risking brain changes, addiction and stressful emotional experiences over a crap high anyway.

Effexor (venlafaxine), On the other hand, packs quite a wallop for someone who is not depressed...
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Ive been prescribed ssris on 3 occasiones. None of them I was depressed altho docs believed I was.

Effexor gave me miniature rolls or rollbacks when I yawned. Actually effexor made me yawn all day and when I did, my jaw would shake and bring up these mini rolls. They felt good and bad at the same time. Those got a litle anoying after a while.

Then Prozac and Celexa gave me nothing. No goods or sides at all, since they proved what I had was not clinical depression.
 
the "outlook" in life is also due to brain changes, physical ones...
do you really think reality is perceived in the same way by everyone? as a drug user you should know it all depends...
 
PassMeTheVicks said:
Ive been prescribed ssris on 3 occasiones. None of them I was depressed altho docs believed I was.

Effexor gave me miniature rolls or rollbacks when I yawned. Actually effexor made me yawn all day and when I did, my jaw would shake and bring up these mini rolls. They felt good and bad at the same time. Those got a litle anoying after a while.

Then Prozac and Celexa gave me nothing. No goods or sides at all, since they proved what I had was not clinical depression.
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That's pretty wierd. Yawning is your body's way of trying to calm down your nervous system. When you yawn, you take a big, slow breath right down into the bottom of your lungs which has a claming effect. Perhaps this action got associated with that roll sensation somehow. I dunno, that's pretty strange whatever!
 
Well any thing that alters my mood, caffiene, sugar etc. i can turn into a ROLL, not like E, but a sort of empathy sort of feelin with rushes, no WAY NEAR as intence as E, but its a nice trick to get me to sleep!
 
I meant the fact he got those effects with the yawning. I find that Zispin makes me yawn a lot too.
 
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indeed, the "miniMDMA" effects during the yawn...they're not uncommon, I remember reading about it quite a few times here on bl
 
I took Venlaflaxine for a regular amount of time. When I first started taking it I just felt a bit trembly (possibly a little speedy). This wore off as my body adjusted to the drug. I have no recollection of any other side effects that could even be remotely described as 'high'. I came off this drug because it fucked me up big style. I lost loads of weight, couldnt sleep and almost completely lost my marbles (similar to an E I hear some say). Actually this was the most unpleasant experience of my life.

In comparison, I took my first E in 1989 and have been a regular user of it during my time on 'the party scene', I have also taken acid almost continuously for 4 months on a beach in India and have experimented with various other substances; ketamine, 2-cb etc all with no damaging effects. These types of drugs have all had a positive influence on my life and I have no regrets whatsoever about taking them. I still do occasionally.

Stay away from the AD's and stay free. :)
 
I think the yawning is to do with an increase of brain serotonin isn't it? 5-HTP makes me yawn for hours after taking it.
 
I dont know how can u think that Effexor gave u the "mini-effects" of E.

When I took it gave me the "AFTER EFFECTS" of E.
I hated that feeling!!!

Sort of like....Tired, sluggish, dry mouth, foggy thinking, absent minded.

Zoloft or Wellbutrin is a lot better than Effexor
 
Health mods, I would be grateful if you could edit fuji's reckless 'advice'.
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I, speaking for myself, hate to get into the habit of over-censoring this forum, for something that really isn't in outright violation of the BLUA. There was no real harmful advice given.. well at least relative to all the other sorts of discussions that go on here in the name of "harm reduction."

But thats not to say statements like these need to be publicy renounced as ludicrous:

Please...saying A/Ds can't get you high is if you're not depressed is like saying benzos can't relax you unless you're an anxious person.
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No offense Fuijicrow, but comparing benzodiazepines to SSRI anti-depressants is meaningless. And i hate to repeat the old cliche, but like comparing apples and oranges.

They're two totally different drugs. Benzodiazepines are accepted as recreational. And we know this mainly b/c benzo's surpress a neuron system (GABA) in a way that is known to cause recreational effect (similar to alcohol's neurological effect, except more specfic). Where as Anti-depressants display biological mechanisms of action different than that of any other recreational drug.

Anyways, i'm glad the arguement is over. Any further bitching and we'll edit some of this none-sense outta here.
 
^i agree the comparison of benzo's and opiates is totally meaningless.

if you arent depressed and take AD's you will probaly feel something. But getting high off em. I dont think so, they just dont work like that, their pharmokinetics arent designed in any way to get you high: depressed or not.
When i took effexor (i am depressed but mine is bipolar), i experienced a mild "speedlike" sensation for a shortwhile. You will feel something due to what they are doing to your brain chemistry, but i cant see how you can WANT to have this experience, its not particularly nice and as Negrkitty says its mainly PLACEBO effect.

IMO you can cause more harm than good by taking them when not prescribed -

LEAVE THE AD'S TO PPL WHO NEED THEM.
 
SSRI's will not change ur mood if your neurotransmitters are at baseline level, however, if you are bipolar , oh boy.. they will send u on a speed trip...watch out.. infact thats how 50% of bipolar cases are diagnosed...
 
I'm on AD's and i wasn't depressed. A misdiagnosis by my doc. Turns out i actually have ADD. But I have been on it for 2 months and yes, i do notice that my mood is better, but lately i've started to experience anxiety again. Seems like my mood is returning to normal, also.
 
I once snorted a few celexa pills and felt strange for 3-5 days after... weird yawning, tiredness, feeling just braindead or zoned out... NOT FUN... NOT RECREACTIONAL at least in my oppinion.

I'd take some benzos over an A/D anytime...

What do you mean they will send you on a speed-trip if you are bi-polar ?
 
Effexor gave me miniature rolls or rollbacks when I yawned. Actually effexor made me yawn all day and when I did, my jaw would shake and bring up these mini rolls. They felt good and bad at the same time. Those got a litle anoying after a while.
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i have been on celexa for almost six months now and during the first couple of weeks, this was a major side effect of the drug for me. i never could put my finger on what it felt like, but when i yawned, it was very euphoric and almost as if i could have fell asleep at that very moment, whether standing, sitting or what have you.

i commented about this to my g/f before she got on AD's and i don't believe that she felt this from celexa, but i could be wrong.

question!
is drinking while taking AD's contradicting the reason why i take them? or rather, if i'm going to drink, should i not even take my SSRI's? What about smoking weed?

these little pink pills made me feel really good for a little while, but soon enough, i was right back where i was minus the HARDCORE depression and suicidal thoughts.

another plus is the sexual side effects.
 
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