People That Shaped The Furture Of Music

I'll give Pink Floyd credit, not so much for music in itself but for perfecting the idea of the concept album (ie The Wall). Something many bands since have tried duplicating, and while the efforts might be good, it doesn't compare. But you can see their impact on Tool, NIN, even Marilyn Manson (Holywood).

When i think of people who pioneered, or even gave a boost to rap/rock, 311 never really comes to mind. That short lived phase of the late 90s definately got one hell of a shove into mainstram culture by Korn/Limp Bizkit.

If you want to trace its roots.. you got Run DMC, Anthrax/Public Enemy, Biohazard, the Judgement Night Soundtrack, Rage Against the Machine. etc.. And I'll even give RHCP credit due on Give it Away (but not that band in its entirity). But even before 311 the impace was made by combining the genres. And when it truly hit mainstream full force, it was after 311 pretty much lost alot of their mainstream hype that they had achieved via the s/t album and Transistor.
 
Colonel brings up the jam band scene, and while you can point to the late 60s and 70s just in general, alot of props has to be given to the Grateful Dead by proving that grassroots movements can really make an impact
 
atlas said:
If you think pink floyd was the first band to use sampling and loops, or the first to use a synthesizer, you really need to stop buying your music from a cataloge that offers 12 cds for a penny.

I already mentioned terry riley and john cage. I could also say Robert Moog, Vladimir Ussachevsky & Otto Luening, Wendy carlos, or the beatles.

Every one of those people has an enormous impact on electornic music, either through looping anolouge tapes, or developing electronic music via the synthesizer, before Pink Floyd even existed. Now, I'm a huge floyd fan; I consider thier music a culmination of alot of different elements in 20th century music, but they aren't pioneers. Look into some of the artists I mentioned, and you'll see just how much further outside the box they are compared to Floyd. Even the beatles were johney-come-latelys to samples and loops compared to Wendy carlos or terry riley.

Don't assume Your opponent doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not being sentimental about this list. I don't particularly like John Cage or Run DMC, but I comprehend thier impact. Anybody who says 311, or the rolling stones significantly impacted the direction of music in the world ought to take some college level classes on contemporary music. Being well liked is one thing, being revolutionary is quite another.
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Floyd's use of sampling in "Money" brought the whole idea into mainstream. And I never said they were THE first to do either of those (synth or sampling), just one of the first (which i now realize is wrong)

How about tangerine dream? Their synth use is hugely influencial.
 
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DigitalDuality said:
Colonel brings up the jam band scene, and while you can point to the late 60s and 70s just in general, alot of props has to be given to the Grateful Dead by proving that grassroots movements can really make an impact
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honestly a lot of other bands and individuals need to be given credit along with them - jefferson airplane, the charlatans, quicksilver messenger service, janis joplin and big brother, bill graham, chet helms...the list goes on.
 
DigitalDuality said:
When i think of people who pioneered, or even gave a boost to rap/rock, 311 never really comes to mind. That short lived phase of the late 90s definately got one hell of a shove into mainstram culture by Korn/Limp Bizkit.

If you want to trace its roots.. you got Run DMC, Anthrax/Public Enemy, Biohazard, the Judgement Night Soundtrack, Rage Against the Machine. etc.. And I'll even give RHCP credit due on Give it Away (but not that band in its entirity). But even before 311 the impace was made by combining the genres. And when it truly hit mainstream full force, it was after 311 pretty much lost alot of their mainstream hype that they had achieved via the s/t album and Transistor.
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blood sugar sex magic was a rap/rock album. Have you ever listened to the entire album? The entire album is rapping and rocking. Anthony "raps" in almost every damn song. Try "sir psycho sexy" for one extreme example.

They are one of my favorite bands, or atleast WERE, and while BSSM may have heavily influenced and lead to rap/rock, in the whole grand scheme of things, I'd say they didn't do much of anything.
 
I think everyone, or a large percentage, are confusing "talent" with "impact." Nor does the post specify a positive impact, and some of the largest impacts have both a positive and negative effect. one example would be the following:

KISS- made visual presentation as important as musical skill. From them came large stage sets with elaborate lighting, going into television production and it keeps going and eventually comes out somewhere around a thing called MTV. This could be considered a good thing. (Ironically, the group chose to take their makeup off as video became popular- not the greatest move.) On the other hand, they helped the create a "style over substance" mentallity we still have to deal with today with the packaged pop boys and girls we feed our kids.

Others who've made a big impact and who've already been mentioned for the most part:

Prince - most definately. His style of production (such as using synths to create a false horn sound and making dance tracks without a bass line at all) was copied so much through the 80's that he could not help but make an impact.

The Beatles - Both in songwriting and production, they raised the artistic bar for "pop" music. (So why is it that I still think they were at there best singing "Twist and Shout"?

Jimi Hendrix - Les Paul may have electrified the guitar, but Hendrix showed how it was to be played and what it could do.

Elvis and Frank Sinatra - for no other reason than who they were, they made a huge peanut butter and nanner sandwich type impact.

The Ramones- these guys created punk before anyone had decided to give it a labe and create the Sex Pistols. They are a huge influence mentioned time and again by the groups today that fly the alternative flag.

RUN-DMC - and yes, I am talking without Aerosmith. Rap was already there but RUN-DMC, and give Rick Rubin a nod, stole some heavy ass licks from the white folk to make something that exploded across all racial lines.

what about Johnny Cash? Is there an impact there?
 
I think of Johnny Cash as a sort of "Godfather" to alternative music, in that he brought a attention to unknown songwriters by playing their music himself.

Perhaps not influential on a musical scale, but he certainly did a lot to show people that there was more going on than what radio and television were giving us.
 
aurabender said:
The Ramones- these guys created punk before anyone had decided to give it a labe and create the Sex Pistols.
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The Ramones have been influential as fuck, but in no way did they invent punk rock. Bands like the Stooges, MC5 and the NY Dolls preceded them, and along with a handful of 60's garage bands, deserve that honor
 
As much as I hate the man, P. Diddy did help usher in the soulless age of hip hop... :\

Correction... "Mainstream hip hop"...
 
Negative said:
Shit, how many white kids did Vanilla Ice inspire to pick up a mic? lol.
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Now that's fucking funny. Everyone at work is staring at me like i'm a dumb shit now. :D
 
Larr_E said:
As much as I hate the man, P. Diddy did help usher in the soulless age of hip hop... :\

Correction... "Mainstream hip hop"...
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I think you just can't put that full weight on him. Though he did take the lead. Hip Hop directly after Pac and Biggie died, definately "toned down" . But in doing so, you got alot of party music. Yeah, a good amount of shock value went out the door (and by that point needed to), but most started forgetting about having a soul in music. The general feeling from hip hop at that tiime ushered in that era i think, so .. oddly i would say their deaths did more for that then Puffy himself.
 
What about the death of Tupac and Biggie vs the life of? I think the death had a bigger impact cuz they died at the height of their fame...
 
tupac was a fucking poet, and no one can match up to him in the hiphop game.

as far as lyrcists go, eminem... that dude can flow over anything, spit any kind of rhyme, freestyle, and rip the shit out of anyone who battles him. and i don't even like him. just recognize his massive talent.


i'd say chino and the rest of the deftones, too.
 
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