People That Shaped The Furture Of Music

atlas said:

Now on to roger waters? how the hell did he impact music?


are you serious?
he IS Pink Floyd. Without him there is no Pink Floyd. He did all of their writing.
He wrote the movie 'The Wall'...as well as the album.

and now on his solo efforts he has made an impact as well.
 
atlas said:
see, another one: the rolling stones.

Aerosmith, the rolling stones, pink floyd. All of these are good bands, but they did NOT influence music in the way that others, often less talented bands and musicians have.


you need to do a bit of research on the rolling stones and how some of their eariler music CERTINLY helped shape the future for rock and roll...its ridiculous to think otherwise
 
Originally posted by headknocka
...the rolling stones and how some of their eariler music CERTINLY helped shape the future for rock and roll...its ridiculous to think otherwise


care to expand on this argument with some examples?

thanks

alasdair
 
jumping jack flash......PAINT IT BLACK...plenty of other songs that were certinly influential back in the days...the stones were and are still one of the biggest bands ever...to deny that is just selfish

how can you deny that people like aerosmith or rolling stones have not played a major roll in rock and roll history
 
Originally posted by headknocka
jumping jack flash......PAINT IT BLACK...plenty of other songs that were certinly influential back in the days...the stones were and are still one of the biggest bands ever...to deny that is just selfish

how can you deny that people like aerosmith or rolling stones have not played a major roll in rock and roll history


in the case of the stones i'm not denying it - i'm just asking you to make your case. simply throwing out the names of tracks doesn't really answer the question.

i'm asking you politely to join the dots in your argument so that i understand better where you're coming from.

in the case of paint it black for example, sure it's a great track but i could argue that the indian influence (the sitar) was simply a concept stolen from the beatles and that the foreboding tone provided by the minor key melody also was hardly an original concept.

finally, there's a big difference between playing a role in rock and roll history and helping shape the future of music.

alasdair
 
If you think pink floyd was the first band to use sampling and loops, or the first to use a synthesizer, you really need to stop buying your music from a cataloge that offers 12 cds for a penny.

I already mentioned terry riley and john cage. I could also say Robert Moog, Vladimir Ussachevsky & Otto Luening, Wendy carlos, or the beatles.

Every one of those people has an enormous impact on electornic music, either through looping anolouge tapes, or developing electronic music via the synthesizer, before Pink Floyd even existed. Now, I'm a huge floyd fan; I consider thier music a culmination of alot of different elements in 20th century music, but they aren't pioneers. Look into some of the artists I mentioned, and you'll see just how much further outside the box they are compared to Floyd. Even the beatles were johney-come-latelys to samples and loops compared to Wendy carlos or terry riley.

Don't assume Your opponent doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm not being sentimental about this list. I don't particularly like John Cage or Run DMC, but I comprehend thier impact. Anybody who says 311, or the rolling stones significantly impacted the direction of music in the world ought to take some college level classes on contemporary music. Being well liked is one thing, being revolutionary is quite another.
 
alasdairm said:
Originally posted by headknocka
jumping jack flash......PAINT IT BLACK...plenty of other songs that were certinly influential back in the days...the stones were and are still one of the biggest bands ever...to deny that is just selfish

how can you deny that people like aerosmith or rolling stones have not played a major roll in rock and roll history


in the case of the stones i'm not denying it - i'm just asking you to make your case. simply throwing out the names of tracks doesn't really answer the question.

i'm asking you politely to join the dots in your argument so that i understand better where you're coming from.

in the case of paint it black for example, sure it's a great track but i could argue that the indian influence (the sitar) was simply a concept stolen from the beatles and that the foreboding tone provided by the minor key melody also was hardly an original concept.

finally, there's a big difference between playing a role in rock and roll history and helping shape the future of music.

alasdair

ok so rock and roll and the influences of it have no role in the shape of music....that makes a lot of sense man....are you just lookin gto argue?...lol....look at what you just said
 
alasdai...i fully understand what you are saying about concepts...but this thread is called "people that shaped the future of music" ...but. why did someone not help shape the future of music for being hugely inspiring to other artists of their time and still to htis day?
 
Trying to argue that Pink Floyd and Roger Waters have not influenced music is pretty damn ignorant. You want some proof? Listen to Phish, or any number of the swelling mass of "jam bands" coming out of the cracks nowadays. They had a big influence on many other "harder" bands, as well. They were out there, doing much more experimental things than many people were used to seeing at the time, starting entirely new trends in music. Whether they were the FIRST to do such things is irrelevant. They were the first to gain huge popularity and acknowledgement doing so.

Just because someone else may have done something similar to what Pink Floyd did before them, does not make them any less influential. Music is all about stealing other people's ideas and putting your own personal twist on them. If it wasn't for that, the only respectable musicians we'd know of were the Africans who started it all by banging on drums.

Furthermore, the thought of primitive music reminds me of the classical music which largely stemmed from Europe. People such as Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, and many others, have had WHOPPING influences upon modern music. I am bit surprised they have not been mentioned until now. Perhaps people were only thinking of what they know of for music, which is largely only what is in the public eye, such as that on the radio and television.

As much as I despise them as a band, I'd also contend that The Rolling Stones were very influential as well. Whether you like them or feel they did anything original, they certainly influenced many people, and as alasdair said, may have inspired others to pick up guitars and other instruments. In my opinion, that certainly qualifies as "shaping the future of music." I mean, for god's sake, according to Rolling Stone, they had the best song of the past century. Regardless of your feelings about that, the fact that a highly respected music magazine felt that way speaks volumes.
 
headknocka said:
ok so rock and roll and the influences of it have no role in the shape of music....that makes a lot of sense man....are you just lookin gto argue?...lol....look at what you just said

i'm not looking for an argument - i'm trying to have a discussion. i'm backing up my opinions with some statements designed to explain my conclusions.

for some reason, you seem unable or unwilling to do that. you threw out a couple of tracks names and that's the extent of your case?

alasdair
 
Originally posted by atlas
inspiring people to play music isn't going to cut it.


unless the people they inspired went on to great things?

i think what we're missing are some criteria or definitions...

on the subject of the stones, syd barret names the stones as a major influence so i think they get a point for that? :)

alasdair
 
The stones weren't exactly sonically groundbreaking, but they were hugely influential. Their sound, in a lot of ways, came to define hard rock.

There are sooo many bands out there, many who are influential in their own right, that you can't listen to without noticing the Stones influence, either musically or aesthetically.

In that way, yeah they did shape the future of music to some extent.
 
The Eagles, Supertramp, Genesis, Peter Frampton, Yes, ELO, ELP, Queen, Rush, Fleetwood Mac, Camel, Steve Miller Band, Kansas.

If it hadn't been for these and other AOR soft rock drivvel in the 70's, Punk would never have happened!
 
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