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people don't shoot HEROIN for FUN, do they???

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let me start out by saying i used to be addicted to opiates, nubain, ocycontin, heroin, and then methadone....i notice a very common theme when it comes to opiods addicts..most people would say when someone takes opiods that they are 'self medicating', that they are covering up their problems with the opiods....now, but when we look at alcohol and someone that is a weekend warrior, that that person is simply going out on the weekend, drinking to get social and have a good time..they arent self medicating...most of us opiod addicts know that when you start out on opiods, you dont start shooting it every day, all day..you start out maybe snorting it on friday one week, then stay away for a week or so, do it again next friday, then the use escalates...thing is, did we start out using heroin because it was really fun or were there deeper problems that existed??

i have thought about this alot and to be honest, i dont know the answer....dr drew pinsky acts like all opiod addicts are in deep emotional pain and they take opiods for that reason...im not sure if thats true in my case as the first few times i took opiods, i liked the way they made me feel, they made work and other tedious things much more enjoyable...my use went up and i got hooked...im sure some people start out using opiods because they were abused when young or whatever, but surely some people use it for fun, right??
 
i have had a very easy and nice upper middle class suburban life, no abuse or anything to odd goin on in my childhood.

i used oxy for the first time b/c of all the hype and personally to me a drug that was 'like heroin but pharmacuetically clean' sounded quite apealing.

i tried it and loved it. i didnt think much of my first use cuz it was a random connection and i thought i wouldnt be able to get it more easily. i did however tell a close friend that i liked the feeling so much if i could get it on a frequent basis it would be game over.

about 6 months after that first use i got a steady connection and here i am 6-8 months since having a connection and i want out, i would love to quit but it is easier said then done, i have gone from doing 20mg in one sitting and being completely blissed out to doing 80mg a day and still being dissapointed.

i would say plenty of people try heroin because the hear how enjoyable it is. and i doubt that all users try heroin because of deep mental disturbances
 
no because there has to be SOMETHING that causes you to risk dabbling in an extremely addictive substance. Where you know addiction is in your very near future when you begin using IV heroin.

Maybe try it once, but it seems nobody can do it, 'just once.' If someone was that happy with their life, why would they risk throwing it all away?
 
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there was an article i read where addicts said that they would continue using heroin even if it wasn't addictive. that shows that they view the positive effects outweigh the negative consequences.
 
^^ yea but if it wasnt addictive then what are the negative cosequences

i mean i know IV drug use carries its own health problems but if one changed roa's the negative aspects would be minimal
 
Same as most here, perfect childhood upper middleclass. I tried opiates when I was prescribed them for wisdom teeth and fell in love for the first time. I have a great life with friends/hobbies/girlfriend/steady work. People who make up reasons for addiction do so to make money as it is their chosen line of work. Everyone is different and everyone has a different story.
 
^^@Shambles: yea i'd say escaping is the best way to describe it.

like i said i have had a very good life, and i am sure some people would kill to have my family/home situation but for some reason one aspect of opiates i enjoy more then the euphoria is the apathy

the complete and utter sense of not having a care in the world. while i am high nothing seems to matter and i enjoy that alot. Perhaps because of the pressure and responsibility put on me to "succeed" in life and i enjoy running from actually becoming a responsible adult, i really dont know what is at the heart of my drug usage, all i know is that i have been using narcotics since i was 9 (amphetamines) and i almost feel like no matter what drugs are a valuable part of my success and shortfalls and that i try to keep everything balanced at a delicate equilibrium
 
For the sake of completeness, my life has been far from comfortable, suburban, middle-class comfort... make of that as you will.

I suspect the apathy that tends to come with those more "comfortable" opiate users is a whole other can o'worms...
 
KStoner6tb said:
no because there has to be SOMETHING that causes you to risk dabbling in an extremely addictive substance. Where you know addiction is in your very near future when you begin using IV heroin.

Maybe try it once, but it seems nobody can do it, 'just once.' If someone was that happy with their life, why would they risk throwing it all away?
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I disagree. IME people first use the drug for fun and then later on self medicate with it. Every drug I've ever done was introduced in a social and fun atmosphere.

I think more often then not the drugs become the problem people are self medicating. Not necessarily directly but, either financially or relationship wise when the drugs become an issue the usage is often increased.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who was self medicating that didn't first use recreationally. I think very few would look first to H if they had never previously used it to solve depression or whatever the issue may be.
 
Addiction and IV heroin use are two completely separate concepts.

I don't understand how heroin is escapist. I have only ever used it socially...
 
^ i think heroin is definatly escapist. I dont find it to be social at all. Its hard to be social when your nodding out in your own world:\. Its escapist because it allows you to not have to deal with any of your real life issues for a few hours.
 
That makes absolutely no sense. If you have real life issues, being high on heroin doesn't make you have to deal with them any less. You could sit in front of the computer sober and ignore the real issues just as easily. You're spouting cliches.

Some social aspects to heroin:

1. Acquisition. When one of my good friends was about to turn 19, he took time off from work and drove across the country to hang out at my house for a week long vacation. I think he had lied and pretended he'd used heroin before, and I had lied to him and told him I knew how to get some locally. Well, he got to my house and I told him we'd have to drive three hours to Boston and look for some on the street. I didn't even know where to direct him, he pretty much found a random exit and neighborhood to park in. Somehow, miraculously, I found some white kids who called someone and got me a bundle for $90. Hell, me and my friend had to socialize with the kids for 20 minutes and exchange numbers while we waited for the dealer to drive by. I was then put in an odd situation, where the guy who called the dealer for me and handled the money/drug exchange down the street, asked me to gift him one of the ten bags in the bundle. I'm not sure if he had handed me the bundle yet or not, I think he was still holding it, so I was getting really worried he was just going to end up robbing me if I didn't say yes. But there was also desperation in his voice, so I figured I'd probably feel better about giving him a bag of dope than that bag of dope would make me feel, since I had nine more and plenty of other drugs at home. With only slight hesitation I gifted him the bag. I never did call him back though, and I haven't picked up heroin in Boston since.

2. Harm reduction. It's awesome to be able to share knowledge and techniques to make IV heroin use safer. Maybe you don't even have to use the heroin to get this social aspect of heroin use, you can just hang out with friends when they're injecting and advise them on things if they seem to be participating in risky behavior.

3. Drug sharing. I dunno about you, but just about everyone loves to sit around in a circle and pass the marijuana pipe, or the meth pipe, or DMT pipe, or whatever. My and my friends always do. Shooting heroin and shooting coke+heroin speedballs is no different. It's real fun to sit around and take turns injecting or injecting each other in a group, with proper supervision for harm reduction purposes.
 
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That makes absolutely no sense. If you have real life issues, being high on heroin doesn't make you have to deal with them any less. You could sit in front of the computer sober and ignore the real issues just as easily. You're spouting cliches.
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It makes a world of sense. If you have serious problems that you can't face then taking a drug which completely obliterates all of those concerns - it does exactly what you want it to.

As someone who claims never to have experienced that aspect of heroin use, count yourself lucky :|

I don't dispute there are often better ways of dealing with those issues, of course.
 
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KStoner6tb said:
no because there has to be SOMETHING that causes you to risk dabbling in an extremely addictive substance. Where you know addiction is in your very near future when you begin using IV heroin.

Maybe try it once, but it seems nobody can do it, 'just once.'
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Curiosity? I did it just once
 
I think it's possible for both, I myself have had different periods of time where I used heroin for fun and to "escape" as someone else put it. When I was in high school I shot heroin occasionally because I loved it. I loved the feeling it gave me (just like every other drug I did), and I loved the state of mind it put me in. And you know what? Because I was using it just for that, i never had any problems with it. I used a few times a month, and was fine. My immature high school self was able to remain a "chipper", simply because my motives were so shallow, and that all heroin meant to me was a high.

But when I got really depressed during college, I turned to dope. I had a few small binges, and it made everything disappear (to quote someone else again, the apathy). That day I knew that this was how I wanted to feel as often as possible. It didn't just mean feeling good for a few hours, it meant finally being happy, which was a novel emotion at that time.

To cut this short, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the people who shoot heroin "for fun" may not develop such a strong connection with the drug. I think people who are using it to hide are worse off than the people "chasing the dragon". That's not to say they don't enjoy the high, but an addiction to the absence of pain is stronger than one of pleasure.
 
For me personally heroin is not social because when im nodding out i can barely hold my eyes open much less formulate a good conversation. In low doses I could see it making me more open and talkative but i prefer to just nod. I love sharing drugs just as you, it is definatly part of the experience. However, everytime iv'e ever used heroin in a group of people ( which has mostly been addicts) after everyone shot up we all end up just nodding out in our own world there isn't much socialization going on. Of course you CAN just sit in front of your computer and ignore your problems but for most people it is alot easier to ignore thier problems nodding out.
 
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