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PD Socializing: Where you pop psilocin for headaches and freaky meets cheeky

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Have you ever done heroin before? Have you ever injected it?

If not, I hope you don't end up in the Dark Side in a few months. You have no idea how many times I've seen that happen here. Be really careful, dude. In my opinion, as an opiate user, opiates are pointless. And seductive. You can't see it coming until it's too late, many times. No one goes into opiates intending to become their slave, yet that's what often happens. I'm a slave to kratom, and that's kratom. Not IV heroin.

Heroin doesn't have a comedown in particular... opiates don't. You just won't be high anymore after a while. That's part of why they're seductive, because it feels like there's no downside. For a while.

Just had to say it. Perhaps you're already experienced and you're one of the lucky ones where you can do something like inject heroin once in a while and not have problems.
 
Xorkoth said:
Have you ever done heroin before? Have you ever injected it?

If not, I hope you don't end up in the Dark Side in a few months. You have no idea how many times I've seen that happen here. Be really careful, dude. In my opinion, as an opiate user, opiates are pointless. And seductive. You can't see it coming until it's too late, many times. No one goes into opiates intending to become their slave, yet that's what often happens. I'm a slave to kratom, and that's kratom. Not IV heroin.

Heroin doesn't have a comedown in particular... opiates don't. You just won't be high anymore after a while. That's part of why they're seductive, because it feels like there's no downside. For a while.

Just had to say it. Perhaps you're already experienced and you're one of the lucky ones where you can do something like inject heroin once in a while and not have problems.
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I'm familiar with other opiates, just not heroin. I've had a massive dose of IV morphine in a medical setting, and it was amazing.

Heroin isn't really available to me at all, this is a rare opportunity otherwise I wouldn't even bother. I understand exactly what your saying, but knowledge isn't immunity as we all know.

And about that comedown, yeah I figured that was the case but a friend claimed it was different with heroin, but I think they were just referring to the agitation that some people get with opiates.
 
The difference with opiates to other drugs for me is exactly that; the lack of comedown. You're able to keep taking it and it keeps making you feel good. After a psychedelic or a stimulant I'm often a bit tired and a tad strung out so the last thing on my mind is taking more. With opiates since the only comedown is feeling a bit tired and shitty, and.. hmmm... what makes you feel better and less strung out, more opiates! It just doesn't work that way with psychs/stims for me, which is why opiates are so much more seductive.
 
I disagree with posts about opiates being more "seductive" than other drugs such as stimulants. Stimulants (mainly cocaine) as done far more damage to me than opiates. I can hold (my own dose of course) opiates for EVER. I can't hold stims for SHIT. Meaning, i do them till their gone.


Most naturally occurring psychedelics on the other hand is like another culture. Addiction/Recovery may be apart of a single psychedelic experience, so you can't really compare them to many, many other drugs.
 
From the aMT thread:
I personally am inclined to say most natural psych's are much safer. Just seems to make sense to me.
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I've never understood this. Nature is wild and unpredictable so why would it's products be safer? I much prefer substances that are designed to do certain things.

Anyone wanna eat this datura with me? ;)
 
Yeah, the old natural vs. manmade dichotomy will always be around. It's all a bunch of BS IMO. You can eat some amanitas phalloids (near certain death) or take some ibuprofen.

Manmade chemicals are often in pure form and thus tend to be stronger sometimes, but purity is a good thing in my book; it means you have the ability to measure a known dosage and know there's not going to be anything else in it.
 
personally am inclined to say most natural psych's are much safer. Just seems to make sense to me.
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Yeah? Some of the lysergic acid amides that are present in plants used as psychedelics can cause vasoconstriction just like ergotamine. OK they aren't as potent as ergotamine at causing vasoconstriction, but they can be quite problrmatic at active psychedelic doses. You never get that with LSD until at doses 1000s of times that needed to get a psychedelic effect. 5-methoxytryptamine & bufotenine can make your blood pressure do all sorts of unpleasant shit, much more than say DET or DPT can. Yes there are some inherently safe psychedelic compounds in nature (THC being the best example), but there's also some that verge on ordeal status (ibogaine anyone?), just as there's safe man made compounds like LSD and dodgy fuckers like 2C-T-7.

From a users point of view, nature never sets out to mislead you (there's no equivalent to dodgy prectices like the infamous 'mescaline microdot'), if you have a certain plant, you know pretty well how much and which psychedelic compounds will be present, but less toxic? That's a bit too much of a cute & fluffy view of nature, which actually tends much more towards the 'red in tooth and claw' than a lot would like to think
 
How is everyone's night? Mine's good. :) Trying a bit of 2C-B and 2C-E in the same cap, and I think we're about to watch the 4th Harry Potter movie. :)
 
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How is everyone's night? Mine's good. :) Trying a bit of 2C-B and 2C-E in the same cap, and I think we're about to watch the 4th Harry Potter movie. :)
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That's a great idea for a combo. What are the ratio/dosages you're using?

I'd imagine it would make the 2C-B deeper and give some euphoria to other otherwise bland (IME) 2C-E. :)
 
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just got keys to my new place. i love it but i have to do the stealth dog owner thing again. ugh, why must people hate my best friend so?
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Because they're ignorant fucks. Can't say I could trust anybody who doesn't like animals - OK you can say not like cats because you had a nasty encounter with one as a child, but to not like any animals - defintely says something about a person IMO
 
^ @uniter: The 2C-E experience is very fickle. Most of the time it seems to be more of a "serious" trip - more head than heart. Very therapeutic, but in a "tough love" kinda way. HOWEVER, I've had a few trips on the stuff, most notably my last one -- where I've had this blissful, loving, psychedelic energy slowly well up inside of me, building to an earth-shattering intensity, a quake of mind and consciousness, vibrations so powerful as to have me teetering on the edges of the four dimensions as we know them. :D <3


Oh yeah, try napping on 2C-E sometime, heh. 2C-E really isn't that stimulating, so if you haven't slept in awhile it won't be hard. I've had some really awesome experiences trippin' balls in the dream world.

It's like you don't quite fully enter sleep consciousness, nor are you fully awake - which allows you to have some really crazy visions and actually remember them upon waking.
 
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Because they're ignorant fucks. Can't say I could trust anybody who doesn't like animals - OK you can say not like cats because you had a nasty encounter with one as a child, but to not like any animals - defintely says something about a person IMO
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Totally true! Who in their right mind "doesn't like" animals? That's like, not liking pillows... or something.
 
^^indeed. I have only woken up at 4am to drop acid and watch the sun rise once. But it was beautiful.
 
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Because they're ignorant fucks. Can't say I could trust anybody who doesn't like animals - OK you can say not like cats because you had a nasty encounter with one as a child, but to not like any animals - defintely says something about a person IMO
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That really does seem true to me. Anyone who is SO dissociated from nature that they actually dislike the company of their fellow animals just seems wrong to me.

The raw emotion and happiness of one of my dogs or the calm-confident-collected attitude of a cat can be very influential on me, especially when I get tired of the company of humans. (Which happens more often than you might expect)

When I owned rabbits it was one of the most amazing feelings just to let them out of the pen I made for them and just let them explore. They're so feeble and small and yet have a very strong will to live at the same time. (I always maintain that either of those 6 lb. tibetan dwarf rabbits could kick the living shit out of a cat that tried to mess with them)


Yeah... animals are great :D. One of the best ways to connect with nature IMO.
 
Because they're ignorant fucks. Can't say I could trust anybody who doesn't like animals - OK you can say not like cats because you had a nasty encounter with one as a child, but to not like any animals - defintely says something about a person IMO
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QFT. If people don't like animals simply because they are animals- I think those people may have forgotten their own inner beast. :\

How are we all? :) <3

I had an interesting convo with Miss Swilow last night re: drugs (of course). She doesn't take anything really, anymore, maybe a glass of wine- but she told me that her acid experiences were what lead her to that position; not that she doesn't like drugs (we used to binge hardcore) but that she simply has no desire. Interesting....though we did plan a lysergic adventure and a 2c-b adventure....but- she isn't into metaprograaming, and didn't use psychedelics to get her off drugs- it just happened. Another testament to how powerful these things are :):) <3
 
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So my T7 and heroin combo was pretty awesome. Just as the H hit my bloodstream, a beam of light penetrated the dusty air, revealing patterns and designs and colors unimaginable to the normal eyes. lolz
 
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