☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: Tripping Past 2020

[Xorkoth]

Yeah that is so stupid. When will governments learn for fuck's sake? Prohibition has been an utter failure, always has and always will.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

The health experts have been saying for 20 years to legalize drugs and the government won;t fucking listen lol.

Now its just gonna be a massive black market. tens of millions of cigarettes are already smuggled here every year. What a waste of police resources and customs lol! now they will have to waste time on cigarettes instead of fucking hardcore drugs like meth


Cannabis will never be legalized in new zealand ever. What a fucking backwards place

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah it is a huge waste of resources. I always wondered whether there would ever be the same sort of black market for tobacco as there is for drugs like heroin and cocaine and such. I mean, will people get violent and live on the streets, spending all their money for one more fix? Or will a lot of people just decide it's not worth it and give up on tobacco? I always had a theory that tobacco is only so addictive and hard to quit because it's so insanely readily available and socially acceptable. Like, if nicotine became illegal here and I suddenly had to risk jail or head into dangerous situations to get it, or spend huge amounts of money to get it, I would definitely just forget about it.

 

[JackARoe]

Cannabis will never be legalized in new zealand ever. What a fucking backwards place

Ah friggem. I hope you find ways around the silly laws. We always do but seems so backkwards it stuns me. I thought Australia was tough, sounds like NZ is the same way. But hey, cannabis is not legal there but you still can find it. That is why prohibition won't work.

That is absolutely crazy. No wonder you feel so oppressed TZ. I know people make fun of the USA, but I can honestly say there is no other place I would like to live. Maybe Canada and my wife wants to go back and we may. But even when I lived there it became clear just how different the USA is in terms of recourse on things. The tag line to even create the USA was more freedom. And that still seems to make the US trailblazers on some things. Long story with Canada but I saw it and am glad to live in the USA. Yeah there are a-holes in the US but also good people. Just like in NZ. But to make tobaco so taboo is going to not go well. It is already an established habit for a lot of people.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

sometimes you just need a cigarette every now and then due to so much stress. I use nicotine in vapes to give me energy boost throughout the day.

here its just nanny state the government up our ass. Next they want to try implent a sugar tax like wtf lol. How about remove tax from fruit and vegetables. At one point in winter i was paying over $5 for a single fucking bell pepper.

But the drug laws are just going backwards here. All i want in a country is at least fucking cannabis to be legal.

cannabis is readily accessible here but they are acutally trying to clamp down on it more than in previous years. Just a legal market would be nice to get higher quality stuff like america.

We just run by a bunch of old fuckheads who have no progressive thinking.

The government was called out by a health expert saying the war on drugs is why we failed to contain covid now. Alot of people who had it were meth users who didn't trust the government due to meth been class A drug. If we didn't have the war on drugs these drug users could of gotten help and not spread covid more.

all vape flavours will be banned next year aswell. Like wtf i don;t want to vape a tobacco flavor i want my fruit flavor. so fucking dumb lol.

i though voting the left here would of resulted in more drug reform but nope they lied to me!

can't a man smoke some weed in peace lol. Now in the future police will be on ur ass for a cigarette one day.

the aim is to make new zealand smoke free by 2025. thats 3 years away nearly.

 

[Delsyd]

Is vaping nicotine going to remain legal?
Here in the US vaping is far more popular with young people than smoking is.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Is vaping nicotine going to remain legal?
Here in the US vaping is far more popular with young people than smoking is.

for now it is, but they are putting heavy restrictions on it and want to eventually outlaw it aswell

 

[Xorkoth]

I can't believe anyone still thinks prohibition will work. It never works. It only causes more problems... in fact it doesn't prevent drug abuse or addiction at all, and it creates out of thin air a whole host of problems that are much more serious, that affect all of society.

 

[In_A_Transit]

I can't believe anyone still thinks prohibition will work. It never works. It only causes more problems... in fact it doesn't prevent drug abuse or addiction at all, and it creates out of thin air a whole host of problems that are much more serious, that affect all of society.

Well said friend, could not agree more. Ready for this year to end! Looking forward to spring of 2022 and my next trip!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Prohibition is now having a direct impact on my physical health. It’s going the wrong direction in every single western nation these past years... God I hope I can live to be an old man someday.

 

[perpetualdawn]

I don't know, I don't think it is going the wrong direction in every single western nation. Stuff is loosening up a lot as far as I can tell, conventional psychedelics and MDMA are creeping into legality right now, weed is becoming widely un-banned in so many places. Maybe it's just Canada, but I see it happening in the states too and I presume europe not too far behind (or already ahead depending where).

 

[Addam]

I just finished a class regarding issues in drug and alcohol abuse, and it was forward-thinking and pragmatic enough to espouse the idea that prohibition is a massive failure (required textbook was by Carl Hart). It also demonstrated quite clearly that prohibition actually causes harm where there would otherwise be little or none.
So hopefully this adoption of a more evidence-based approach to drug policy in the curriculum of higher education indicates a gradual shift toward policies that are far less stupid. Progress is just maddeningly slow

 

[Xorkoth]

Nice. I took a class in college called "Patterns of Drug Use" for a gen ed. It was similar, the teacher was very much about prohibition not working and harm reduction. He was teaching mostly true information and he went a lot into how psychedelics used to be used as miracle drugs for psychotherapy and hold a lot of potential. This was back in 2002 also.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I wouldn't count on 'liberal' educators to help overturn prohibition. When I took classes related to drugs in 2014 at the end of my B.A. the professors were also very open minded and against prohibition. But the people who make laws do not do so with reason or logic, they do it with their gut. And guts don't mean shit when they come from 'God' or whatever the fuck reasons they have to oppose drugs.

I don't know, I don't think it is going the wrong direction in every single western nation. Stuff is loosening up a lot as far as I can tell, conventional psychedelics and MDMA are creeping into legality right now, weed is becoming widely un-banned in so many places.

Yeah sure, psychs and weed are more accepted... but they aren't palliative care drugs. They won't help ease physical suffering. Anything related to palliative care is going ass-backwards, I assume in Canada it's better though... but here in the U.S., I've just been kicked off palliative care. I'm not cured, but the doctors don't think I'm worthy of being pain free.

 

[Pfafffed]

I agree that it's dumb, but I think it's a solution in search of a problem. I don't know any kids that are taking up smoking tobacco--everyone just vapes anymore.

Have any of the 2C-G series ever been available/ bioassayed outside of PiHKAL?

I haven't seen any. If it's ever been sold, it may or may not have been as advertised. I stopped paying attention for almost a decade and a half, so that's a pretty big window.

Why doesn’t Shulgin have a magical half dozen for tryptamines?

I don't think he liked tryptamines. If you read TIHKAL, it certainly doesn't seem like he liked them. I often wonder if he was one of the people that for whatever reason (metabolic variation? receptor polymorphism??) find the 4-subs to be largely indistinguishable. I know he and Ann were not fans of anything that wasn't good for intimacy, and the 4-subs are straight up anerotic for a lot of people. They're also a lot less clear-headed.

Does anyone know if the deaths from 2ce circa 2011 were in fact from 2ce, or was it mislabeling of something like 2ct7 or Bromo dragonfly?

IIRC, most were at a single event where people insufflated big, unmeasured lines. It's not unreasonable to assume that that resulted in several fatalities.

 

[porkstock]

I did read TiHKAL, but it has been a long time since I looked at the first half. I guess I never considered that he didn’t “like” them since he created many of them and wrote a book on the subject haha. But it is pretty clear the Shulgin’s didn’t praise tryptamines as much as 2cb for example

 

[perpetualdawn]

I read most of TiHKAL's first half recently and I got the impression that half the reason they wrote is was as a big Fuck You to the authorities that raided his lab.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Dpnt drink 16 standard drinks lol. Lost nearly everything ended up in the wrong address broke my phone was a insane mission to get home lol. Nearly broke a few bones falling flat on my ass. The irony of it all was having deja vu the whole time and just having to trust in the universe

 

[AutoTripper]

Dpnt drink 16 standard drinks lol. Lost nearly everything ended up in the wrong address broke my phone was a insane mission to get home lol. Nearly broke a few bones falling flat on my ass. The irony of it all was having deja vu the whole time and just having to trust in the universe

The real irony is the likelihood the cause of your imbalances, your intoxication, prevented you from lasting harm.

Like if you are on ketamine in a car accident you will basically escape going into a coma.

And I reckon being on ketamine is by far the best way to fall out of an aeroplane and land centre of the runway take your chances with the gravity and wind that night.

These things make us fall, but come with a degree of safety catch.

If you actually do end up in a coma one night on ketamine or you have broken some bones with a fall you know you have crossed that line.

I knew a guy early 2000's when pure uncut pharmaceutical ketamine was a flood here and as socially integrated and popular as cocaine in many very common social circles and parties all of a sudden.

Well this guy Kevin his name had a Mercedes and one night drove head on at 60 mph wrong side of road he was, killed the other motorist.

No real harm to any onboard passengers on ketamine road ncludimg driver.

He went to jail. Something like that really ruins a life not the only time I saw that exact thing growing up.

I remember him telling me at the time in detail how the paramedics or somebody treating and rehabilitating him had told him about ketamine preventing coma.

None of them have any recollection of the crash it's obvious what happened and this particular road exactly where the crash did happen is one of those Mirage like blind spots as you go up and down and lose sight of the road ahead for a split second dangerous little places to drive.

Moral- do not drive on ketamine.

Conversely if you are going to be involved in a serious traffic accident then hope you are on ketamine when it happens.

 

[AutoTripper]

I agree that it's dumb, but I think it's a solution in search of a problem. I don't know any kids that are taking up smoking tobacco--everyone just vapes anymore.


I haven't seen any. If it's ever been sold, it may or may not have been as advertised. I stopped paying attention for almost a decade and a half, so that's a pretty big window.

I don't think he liked tryptamines. If you read TIHKAL, it certainly doesn't seem like he liked them. I often wonder if he was one of the people that for whatever reason (metabolic variation? receptor polymorphism??) find the 4-subs to be largely indistinguishable. I know he and Ann were not fans of anything that wasn't good for intimacy, and the 4-subs are straight up anerotic for a lot of people. They're also a lot less clear-headed.

IIRC, most were at a single event where people insufflated big, unmeasured lines. It's not unreasonable to assume that that resulted in several fatalities.

I've never smoked a cigarette you know not once in my life did I take a single puff not a rollup ever either only one or two accidental inhalations at student parties assuming it was cannabis joint but I never once in my life have smoked tobacco by its self for the purpose of consuming tobacco not a single time has the curiosity struck me or motivation been so compelling.

I have resisted actually simply on principle I smoked tobacco with cannabis for 4 years after using only cannabis and no tobacco until 2000.

But it was only for that purpose like putting on shoes there needs to be some sort of gain or benefit for me to be interested to get out of bed first lol.

So I've honestly never once considered getting out of bed purposely to go about smoking some tobacco purposely for tobacco smoking and effects itself.

I'm not trying to pose as a hypocrite there just an honest admission and each to our own always too.

I will put a milligram of LSD up my backside and obliterate my brains in a past lifetime with MDMA but there is no way on earth you will get this sound minded chap to actually smoke tobacco!