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Had a really nice day yesterday on 30mg 4-AcO-MiPT and an unknown amount of 2C-E. I listened to a few albums with my girlfriends dad, and got really into the raw psychedelia of the sounds. Listened to Kykeon by Entheogenic and Converting Vegetarians by Infected Mushroom before moving on to some random meditative music for a bit.

I didn't actually notice the 2C-E too much in the first few hours. The effects were prominently the mushroomy tryptamine body effects, morphing, decent fractal CEVs and increased music appreciaion for the first 4 or so hours. I noticed more tension in my neck than usual which has always been a trait of 2C-E for me. As the Mipracetin started to wear off I could clearly tell I was still getting pretty strong open eye visuals between 8 and 10 hours which was definitely the 2C-E. I did develop a pretty good headache towards the end of the night which I also attribute to the 2C-E, and the also because I have been having a hell of a time staying hydrated enough this whole winter.

I really like the music appreciation side of tryptamines. Its hard for me to describe the mental space of 2C-E. I guess it makes me pretty present and just wanting to enjoy the aesthetic world around me. Every time I have tripped this winter so far I have ended up craving 4-AcO-DMT for its powerful mindfuckery. I have a hard time getting deep mental effects post MXE. I'm a bit more of a psych hard head now and want an undeniably immersive deep end trip without the negative effects of taking those kinds of heroic doses. Eh, what can ya do?

In spite of the lack of total depth, I do like how it made me just want to chill, be present and enjoy myself. A purely recreational experience, minus the headachey come down part. I have had a hard time doing that this winter. At times I have been straight up jangly with anxiety. Even though it was a little shallow for what I have been craving I trust that it was perhaps just what the universe thinks I need.
 
Pfafffed said:
Welp, I can now conclusively say that 4-HO-MET is a very different drug for me than 4-AcO-MET. The latter is cool, sharp, crystalline eye candy. The former is as close to mushrooms as it is to anything else. I went into the day yesterday hoping for a nice winter hike and some pretty visuals, and instead I get entity contact and the processing of past trauma, lol. I wrote an excessively long report on it, but I'm well impressed. I didn't get the experience that I had hoped for with it, but I can now see why people love it so much. It's a great fucking psychedelic
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What was your dose?
 
Just swallowed a capsule containing 50mgs of 4-AcO-DMT a few minutes ago feeling a little adventurous tonight. With my current tolerance level this should be mangeable but im expecting the comeup to be pretty wild. That is a pretty heftig dose right there and im sure it will be reality warping to say the least, about to have cup of Black Tea and wait for the fireworks to begin. Wanted to have a purely Tryptamine driven journey to allow me to address some issues concerning addiction and depression, this drug works wonders for such things. Should be a wild night I've been doing so much Phenethylamines lately it's good to switch things up.
 
Already tripping hard as hell my landlord just wanted to talk to me and it kicked in mid conversation and he just goes on and on i love the dude but he can really beat you in the head sometimes. Heavy visuals right now both closed and opened eyed and euphoric body high, this is one of my favorite psychedelics for a reason.
 
The level of sedation from this dose is pretty. Im in this dreamy state with beautiful visuals and visons and at same time i could probably fall asleep im so deeply relaxed. This is such a good drug i would say 2C-E, LSD and 4-AcO-DMT are my three favorite psychs with DOC as strong contenter. I almost just took a nap, i keep having these deep yawns its lovely.
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah the tide has turned, for sure. The lifting of the ban on psychedelic research was when I could tell it was turning, and then when Oregon legalized all plant-based drugs. And now more localities are following suit. Finally, some sensible drug policy.
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never, ever thought I'd be jealous of anyone living in the States

fucking UK is decades from anything like that imo
 
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What was your dose?
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20mg. It felt like a 20mg dose, too--it wasn't a +++ except maybe at some points during the peak. The thing is that it felt qualitatively different from 4-AcO-MET at any dose (I've dosed that one up to 40mg in divided doses.) This had close to the same psycholytic depth and character as 4-AcO-DMT at 20mg. 4-AcO-MET is a delight, a real joy for me, but it has never had more than an iota of psycholytic depth.
 
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20mg. It felt like a 20mg dose, too--it wasn't a +++ except maybe at some points during the peak. The thing is that it felt qualitatively different from 4-AcO-MET at any dose (I've dosed that one up to 40mg in divided doses.) This had close to the same psycholytic depth and character as 4-AcO-DMT at 20mg. 4-AcO-MET is a delight, a real joy for me, but it has never had more than an iota of psycholytic depth.
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Yeah I'm a big fan of 4-ho-met. I can't handle 4-aco-dmt, it is too heavy duty for me, too hard to integrate.

I really like freebasing 4-ho-met (it is almost the perfect psychedelic when vaped). Problem is I have the fumerate salt and even after converting to the freebase I worry there is some fumerate residue. I smoked the fumerate itself despite and knowing the risk and I think it may have injured my lungs.

In any event, freebased 4-ho-met is a full psychedelic experience that ends within an hour but it has an afterglow no less than an oral dose. Its the ultimate lunch break psychedelic. It can be safely prepared using sodium carbonate.
 
What's your dosage when vaporized? Are you actually vaporizing it (as in applying heat to melt it into a liquid then into a gas) or are you putting it in a solvent and nebulizing it (like glycerine, propylene glycol, vape juice?)

If it's any consolation, everything that I've read about vaping fumarate salts that has been comprehensive and competent has suggested that the actual amount of moles of maleic anhydride produced by vaporization of fumarate salts is unlikely to be a health hazard. I mean, "10mg of 4-HO-MET fumarate contains 21% fumaric acid by mass, or 2.1mg. Even assuming 100% conversion to maleic anhydride and that moisture in the respiratory tract does not hydrolyse it, that's really not much to worry about." I imagine that nebulization at lower temps makes it even less likely, but I'm not the guy to tell you conclusively one way or the other.

That's not to say you shouldn't freebase it for reasons of both efficiency and health. Pyrolization could produce all kinds of nasties, nasties that are much less likely to form with the more efficient vaporization of the freebase. But I also understand why freebasing tiny amounts of chemicals and sometimes getting left with an oily goo that's hard to measure and lossy to handle can be unappealing, too.
 
Pfafffed said:
Welp, I can now conclusively say that 4-HO-MET is a very different drug for me than 4-AcO-MET. The latter is cool, sharp, crystalline eye candy. The former is as close to mushrooms as it is to anything else. I went into the day yesterday hoping for a nice winter hike and some pretty visuals, and instead I get entity contact and the processing of past trauma, lol. I wrote an excessively long report on it, but I'm well impressed. I didn't get the experience that I had hoped for with it, but I can now see why people love it so much. It's a great fucking psychedelic.
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I've only ever tried 4-AcO-MET, and I really liked it, I'm super curious as to how it compares to 4-HO-MET.

Like others say, I've found 4-AcO-DMT to be distinct from mushrooms - more smooth, tranquil, less random and wild, possibly deeper. Top notch in it's own right, it's no wannabe mushrooms or anything like that.

I'd agree that 4-AcO-MET is "cool, sharp, crystalline". Can't wait to try it again. Had a great trip on it at 35mg, watched Howls Moving Castle on the comeup, which sure is a psychedelic movie. Probably won't end up with 4-HO-MET in my collection, but I'd try it in a heartbeat.

I tried combining 4-AcO-MET with 2C-D at some point ( about 15mg of 4-AcO-MET with 20mg 2C-D) and it didn't work out as well as I expected. Could have just been a one off, but there didn't seem to be any special synergy, it was just two different medium trips layered on top of each other. Won't bother with that combo again, and might not bother comboing 2C with tryptamines in general.
 
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I tried combining 4-AcO-MET with 2C-D at some point ( about 15mg of 4-AcO-MET with 20mg 2C-D) and it didn't work out as well as I expected. Could have just been a one off, but there didn't seem to be any special synergy, it was just two different medium trips layered on top of each other. Won't bother with that combo again, and might not bother comboing 2C with tryptamines in general.
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I often want to combine psychedelics, but whenever I do it seems like the negatives outweigh the positives. There have definitely been exceptions, but the time I boosted 20mg of 2C-B with 10mg of 4-AcO-MET wasn't all that great. The synergy was excellent, but the plateau wasn't as good as either alone.

I do think that the other way around, using maybe 5mg of 2C-B to add some somatic softness and extra emotionality to a heftier 4-AcO-MET trip might be a better way of going about it.
 
That's a good idea, to use the tryptamine as a solid base, with a pinch of phenethylamine to steer the flavour a bit. Kind of like the idea of candyflipping, where it's mainly the acid, but you put a bit of MDMA on top whilst the LSD is in full swing (at least that's how I like to do it, the few times I have). This would be similar but with the tryptamine is filling the role of the LSD as the more potent and longer lasting base, and the phenethylamine is the roll bit.
 
Pfafffed said:
What's your dosage when vaporized? Are you actually vaporizing it (as in applying heat to melt it into a liquid then into a gas) or are you putting it in a solvent and nebulizing it (like glycerine, propylene glycol, vape juice?)

If it's any consolation, everything that I've read about vaping fumarate salts that has been comprehensive and competent has suggested that the actual amount of moles of maleic anhydride produced by vaporization of fumarate salts is unlikely to be a health hazard. I mean, "10mg of 4-HO-MET fumarate contains 21% fumaric acid by mass, or 2.1mg. Even assuming 100% conversion to maleic anhydride and that moisture in the respiratory tract does not hydrolyse it, that's really not much to worry about." I imagine that nebulization at lower temps makes it even less likely, but I'm not the guy to tell you conclusively one way or the other.

That's not to say you shouldn't freebase it for reasons of both efficiency and health. Pyrolization could produce all kinds of nasties, nasties that are much less likely to form with the more efficient vaporization of the freebase. But I also understand why freebasing tiny amounts of chemicals and sometimes getting left with an oily goo that's hard to measure and lossy to handle can be unappealing, too.
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I vaporize it off of foil. The temperature isn't well controlled. Essentially im smoking it. Usually use 10-20mg at a time and sometimes take multiple hits. Ive had as much as 50-60mg at a time.

More recently I've converted it into a crude freebase with sodium carbonate. Good to know that the exposure isn't maleic anhydride exposure isn't extreme, but if I've smoked say 60mg in a session that might be enough for some long-lasting irritation perhaps. My lung issues are probably from n-ethylhexedrone and nitrous oxide more likely.

Smoked 4-HO-MET is tremendous. The weird comeup is almost nonexistent. Very refreshing and clean feeling, far more than oral or intranasal routes. The experience ends in about an hour or so, but the afterglow is long-lived.

Still I'm afraid of smoking anything these days. I really did a number on my lungs. Perhaps 4-HO-MET administered intravenously would be similar to smoking. I don't use anything intravenously anymore however.
 
Pfafffed said:
I often want to combine psychedelics, but whenever I do it seems like the negatives outweigh the positives.
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It's been hit or miss for me, so I haven't experimented much with it. I remember in particular a time I mixed small doses of 3C-E and 2C-C and the most prominent effect I got was a strong stomach ache.
 
I have had all sorts of great psychedelic combos. A few really stand out, like LSD + 2C-B, which has amazing synergy. But the best combos with psychedelics are dissociatives. Using a dissociative as a launch pad makes everything about the psychedelic substantially stronger and also more comfortable (usually). MXE is the best psychedelic launch pad of all time, that I've used anyway. the 3-MeOs are good too, but not as comfortable, you have to be careful.
 
Yeah, dissos + psychedelics are blissful. I've had a couple of amazing 3-MeO-PCP + LSD trips in 2016/2017. 3-MeO-PCE + 5-MeO-MiPT was also a favorite. Going for a K-hole at the end of a 4-HO-MET trip was also one of the peak psychedelic experiences for me.
 
I love doing combos and have done so many it would be Tricks to remember and list them all but here are some of the ones that standout... my favorite drugs to use in combos is 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-C or 2C-B. Lysergamides work well also and play nicely with most chems. I really like to combine dissos and psychs as you can tell.

ALD-52 + 2C-B
MAL + 4-FA + 3-MeOMC + a-PHP
DOC + 2C-B
LSD + 4-FA + Etizolam
4-HO-MPT + 4-ACO-DMT
ETH-LAD + Shatter
Nitrous + LSD
4-ACO-DMT + Ketamine
3-MeO-PCP + 4-ACO-DMT
LSD + DMT
3-MeO-PCP + ALD-52
MXiPr + 2C-E
2C-C + 2C-D
4-ACO-DMT + 4-HO-MET
MXE + Heroin
MDMA + Nitrous
PCP + Cocaine + Heroin <wild stuff>
MXPr + MPT
LSA + Kava
Mescaline + 2C-E
Mescaline + Mushrooms <very epic>
DMT + 4-ACO-DMT + BOD + DOC + Ephenidine
4-HO-MET + 2C-D + 2C-C
3-MeO-PCE + 4-ACO-DMT
3-HO-PCE + 4-ACO-DMT
DMT + 4-ACO-DMT + BOD + DOC + MDMA
DOPr + DOC + 2C-C
Ketamine + Methamphetamine + DOPr + DMT + GHB
 
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i would pay million dollars just to have my first acid trip experience again. To this day those infinite visuals of infinity in hyperspace while really hard to really conjure into my mind and still burnt in there somewhere usually comes back to me in dreams. Though that is chasing the dragon. No drug experince is never as good as the first time if you did enough.

for combos LSD + DMT takes the cake. LSD + mdma and LSD +ketamine. I use to love LSD + cannabis but its to confusing dark and a bad trip.

2cb + mdma + cannabis + speed is fun. Ketamine + mdma + cannabis really fucking fun and mind blowing,
 
Used to always mix dissocatives and psyches got a bit to used to mixing them.

Used to really like doing 2c-b+ketamine+dmt; did that combo allot sometimes also with a little bit of 4-aco-det added in. Really miss 4-meo-pcp was more visual than k or mxe and had a nice sedating dreamy headspace. went great with dmt and 4-aco-det too.Used like hitting the dmt while sitting or laying down in the shower with the light out. Really helped kick up the trip to the next level and allowed me to dive down very deep. Surprised I never drowned doing that; maybe wasn't the safest thing to do.

Just finished day 3 of no thc and am feeling fine; going to go off it for at least a month.

Think I'll do some 2c-p tomorrow. I put my dose in an oral syringe a week ago but never got around to doing it. The water it was in is sterile and and it's a stable compound so it should be fine.
 
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