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[Morninggloryseed]

Like ketamine, this one needs to be IMed. I did not like it much either orally, or vial insufflation.

 

[Xorkoth]

Insufflation seems nice so far. Oral was alright but it seemed blunted, like I was cut off from my emotions. Right now I feel very connected with myself.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

IMing aside, 3-MeO-PCP was a drug that took me a while to 'get'. I did not care for it at all the first few times I did it, really I did not 'get it' until I took 20mg or more...and experienced the manic superman feeling that happens when you 'come down.' Once I went through that, I learned what it could do and as little as 5mg at night in the rain would produce the most sublime experience. 3-MeO-PCP is probably one of my all time favorites of anything aside from cannabis.

 

[Kaleida]

Of the simple (synthetic) dialkyltryptamines I have tried, DiPT is certainly the best one in my book. DPT is a good one, but (nearly) always too edgy and uncomfortable. MET is glorious, but somewhat shallow at the end of the day. MiPT...well I never got much from that one, at least when taken orally. When smoked, MiPT was very clean and good but just didn't offer me much. But DiPT produced an experience of a spiritual nature, very mushroom like in many ways, and certainly ancient. The 'novelty' part (ie hearing distortions) to me were really a side effect, a distraction minimized by taking it in silence.

I really look forward to hearing what you think of it.

How much DiPT did you take before? 50mg was pretty good, but 70mg was much better!

That's very interesting, thanks for the input! The first time I took DiPT was at 30 mg. I had been considering jumping up to 75 mg for the next time, but recent strong experiences had me wanting to settle on something slightly lower for my next trip.... Does 50 mg sound like it might not be satisfying? I am really not looking to be blown away this time, I have a lot more to work with and I could use an easier trip this time around.

Honestly, about the audio distortion, that's kind of the impression I was left with from the threshold version of it on 30 mg. It kind of seems like it will be very interesting to fully experience from an intellectual standpoint, but not really meaningful beyond just seeing what it's like. On that dose I was actually pleasantly surprised by how present some traditional psychedelic effects were as well, and I was left feeling that the audio effects not being there would not have made a significant difference in how I felt about DiPT as a psychedelic overall in the end.

As someone who has tried a great variety of different psychedelics, perhaps this will be more meaningful to you than I would expect it to be for just any random person. My experiences with different substances so far has led me to feel that there is a significant subcategory of psychedelics, one which contains trips that cause very simplistic or dimly colored sensory distortions in normal doses offset by intense and rich mental imagery and a propensity to express visual and cognitive phenomena through the form of bright white lights. I imagine that 5-MeO-DMT is the ultimate example of this group of psychedelics based on what I have heard about it, but I have never tried it or any of its synthetic derivatives. However, I have found some 4-substituted tryptamines that I would say fall into this group, such as 4-HO-DiPT and 4-HO-DPT. 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-MPT come close for me, in the sense that they are capable of producing those white light experiences in what I would consider to be normal doses, but they have just enough of the traditional sensory and cognitive distortions as well to feel more just like really strong regular psychedelics to me as opposed to ones in this special class.

As for DiPT, what I had felt so far with that initial dose was that it might be one that behaves this way for me as well. When unprovoked there were no noticeable visual distortions or patterning whatsoever, and with eyes closed what was mainly seen was very simple shapes floating around in front of a dim white light in a field of darkness. It was only with meditation that I was able to bring the mental imagery out to the level that caused me to give the aforementioned comparison to mushroom and DMT visions, though they came quite readily and were far more developed than any of the rest of the sensory experience would have suggested they would be. I think this is worth noting because, though it didn't seem to do much for you, I actually found MiPT very satisfying and comparable to DiPT in this way. MiPT retained a lot more of the color and brightness of psychedelics like DMT and LSD for me than DiPT did, but it wasn't enough to change the fact that the sensory experience with eyes open was basic and mostly peripheral compared to the vibrant and intricate fantasies that unfolded with eyes closed, and said fantasies still had a heavy focus on dissolving into the white light. My one experience with MiPT so far was still in retrospect one of my favorite trips period, so if DiPT does continue to compare to it for me in these ways at higher doses then I'm sure I will continue to fall in love with it more as well, and even if it sacrifices some of the color and geometry of MiPT, I did feel so far that it will be replaced by something more three-dimensional and mushroom-like than MiPT would be able to easily achieve.

MET I am very interested in as well, though the way you describe it there does remind me of how I feel about 4-HO-MET too. DPT still scares me from its reputation, but I'll get around to it one of these days... though I'm in no hurry!

When I take DiPT again soon, I am going to take 70mg, on a hike or something where I'll be in nature. In my last (and only) experience (50mg), I was by far the most blown away by the sounds I heard from the world, it was deep, primal, and significant. I felt like I could hear communications from the sky, and from the ground, and from the trees. When I was inside, it was crazy too but it was more like I could hear a really weird version of my refrigerator. And music was a no-go since it became dischordant.

That sounds intense! It really is the way I'm most looking forward to exploring the audio effects, being in nature. The rest just seems kind of... pointless? Anything patterned like music would become randomly disrupted, so it seems to me like the brain would find a better harmony with something that's expected the be seemingly random anyway.

 

[Xorkoth]

50mg is the level I took it at for my experience and it was certainly a full experience. The report is here, keep in mind this was one of my early trips.

EDIT: I just read it... sometimes it's weird to revisit yourself from 10 years ago. Cool that I can though, I'm glad I've always written trip reports. I wrote it during the trip too, after I integrated it some of those raw thoughts changed.

EDIT2: Damn I feel really nice now after smoking a little weed. REALLY pleasant physical sensations. Cool.

 

[Kl519]

It certainly has. It's ended well but it's been a rollercoaster for me the past 2 days.

Nice. Seems like everyone is having fun.

Kaleida-Yeah, it wasn't as strong as I remembered it to be. So it's most likely cross tolerance; I won't be able to finish the miprocin so I'm just gonna store the rest away for the foreseeable future. I'll be trying other stuff in the next few weeks.
I think now that I'm not cracked out all the time, I can take psychs better on the body load side of it. I don't trip as often as I would like actually, haha. So many novel chems still out there...

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Awesome post, awesome writing. You are just the best. Re 50mg vs 70 or 75mg of DiPT....I've had DiPT twice...at 70mg and the second time at 50mg. 50mg did give me a full +++ but it wasn't too cosmic or 'wow, never been here before.' Of course that could also have been because it was my second time and I was 'there' before.

On the other hand, my trip partner that day also took 50mg (their first time with DiPT) and they had a strong +++, flirting with ++++.

I think both would be satisfying for you, the only reason I suggested 70mg to you is because it is you, and I think you would be fine. The one thing I noted about DiPT was as strong as it can be, it also had a gentle/friendly aspect to it...far more like mushrooms or even morning glory (except it never made me sick and shitty feeling) than the other tryptamines. It is truly the one synthetic psychedelic I've had that seems to have 'wise entities' in it. Very ancient stuff. Not so much white light....more healing and teaching.

Wish I got to explore MiPT more (orally). I suspect at twice what I took it at (had 25mg the one and only time I ate it), it could have been interesting.

Smoked MiPT was...not too different from MET...just less sensory....and either way nothing extraordinary. Oh well.

Have any of you had n,n-DALT? What does that one do?

That's very interesting, thanks for the input! The first time I took DiPT was at 30 mg. I had been considering jumping up to 75 mg for the next time, but recent strong experiences had me wanting to settle on something slightly lower for my next trip.... Does 50 mg sound like it might not be satisfying? I am really not looking to be blown away this time, I have a lot more to work with and I could use an easier trip this time around.

Honestly, about the audio distortion, that's kind of the impression I was left with from the threshold version of it on 30 mg. It kind of seems like it will be very interesting to fully experience from an intellectual standpoint, but not really meaningful beyond just seeing what it's like. On that dose I was actually pleasantly surprised by how present some traditional psychedelic effects were as well, and I was left feeling that the audio effects not being there would not have made a significant difference in how I felt about DiPT as a psychedelic overall in the end.

As someone who has tried a great variety of different psychedelics, perhaps this will be more meaningful to you than I would expect it to be for just any random person. My experiences with different substances so far has led me to feel that there is a significant subcategory of psychedelics, one which contains trips that cause very simplistic or dimly colored sensory distortions in normal doses offset by intense and rich mental imagery and a propensity to express visual and cognitive phenomena through the form of bright white lights. I imagine that 5-MeO-DMT is the ultimate example of this group of psychedelics based on what I have heard about it, but I have never tried it or any of its synthetic derivatives. However, I have found some 4-substituted tryptamines that I would say fall into this group, such as 4-HO-DiPT and 4-HO-DPT. 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-MPT come close for me, in the sense that they are capable of producing those white light experiences in what I would consider to be normal doses, but they have just enough of the traditional sensory and cognitive distortions as well to feel more just like really strong regular psychedelics to me as opposed to ones in this special class.

As for DiPT, what I had felt so far with that initial dose was that it might be one that behaves this way for me as well. When unprovoked there were no noticeable visual distortions or patterning whatsoever, and with eyes closed what was mainly seen was very simple shapes floating around in front of a dim white light in a field of darkness. It was only with meditation that I was able to bring the mental imagery out to the level that caused me to give the aforementioned comparison to mushroom and DMT visions, though they came quite readily and were far more developed than any of the rest of the sensory experience would have suggested they would be. I think this is worth noting because, though it didn't seem to do much for you, I actually found MiPT very satisfying and comparable to DiPT in this way. MiPT retained a lot more of the color and brightness of psychedelics like DMT and LSD for me than DiPT did, but it wasn't enough to change the fact that the sensory experience with eyes open was basic and mostly peripheral compared to the vibrant and intricate fantasies that unfolded with eyes closed, and said fantasies still had a heavy focus on dissolving into the white light. My one experience with MiPT so far was still in retrospect one of my favorite trips period, so if DiPT does continue to compare to it for me in these ways at higher doses then I'm sure I will continue to fall in love with it more as well, and even if it sacrifices some of the color and geometry of MiPT, I did feel so far that it will be replaced by something more three-dimensional and mushroom-like than MiPT would be able to easily achieve.

MET I am very interested in as well, though the way you describe it there does remind me of how I feel about 4-HO-MET too. DPT still scares me from its reputation, but I'll get around to it one of these days... though I'm in no hurry!



That sounds intense! It really is the way I'm most looking forward to exploring the audio effects, being in nature. The rest just seems kind of... pointless? Anything patterned like music would become randomly disrupted, so it seems to me like the brain would find a better harmony with something that's expected the be seemingly random anyway.

 

[yepyepwoah]

I plugged 30mg DALT and it did... Not much. I was in the dark meditating and felt a tryptaminsh feeling a bit. up turned on lights and could have forgot I took any. Didn't go any higher BC I only had 100mg and planned on using the rest all at once another day.

Aquired another 500mg BC it was dirt cheap, but haven't tried it again yet.

I think I might have to try some vaporized with an oil rig soon. Hrrrmmmm.

 

[Kaleida]

50mg is the level I took it at for my experience and it was certainly a full experience. The report is here, keep in mind this was one of my early trips.

EDIT: I just read it... sometimes it's weird to revisit yourself from 10 years ago. Cool that I can though, I'm glad I've always written trip reports. I wrote it during the trip too, after I integrated it some of those raw thoughts changed.

EDIT2: Damn I feel really nice now after smoking a little weed. REALLY pleasant physical sensations. Cool.

Oh yes, I remember that one! With that encouragement I think I will settle with 50 mg after all. :D

And I'm glad the 3-MeO-PCP is going well! I still have some vague interest in it... though my typical lack of much enthusiasm about most dissociatives has sort of taken dominance again. Still, it seems like a potentially intriguing one to me based on some of the reports.

Kaleida-Yeah, it wasn't as strong as I remembered it to be. So it's most likely cross tolerance; I won't be able to finish the miprocin so I'm just gonna store the rest away for the foreseeable future. I'll be trying other stuff in the next few weeks.
I think now that I'm not cracked out all the time, I can take psychs better on the body load side of it. I don't trip as often as I would like actually, haha. So many novel chems still out there...

Gotcha, gotcha. What's next in line? And are you writing any reports about these experiences?

I'm not sure what manner of being cracked out you're referring specifically, but I can definitely support the sentiment that how you feel in terms of health and good rest has a major impact on how well you can handle psychedelics and how many side effects they have. The difference is very noticeable and hard to forget after you've gone back and forth between healthy trips and unhealthy trips a couple times, it made me appreciate set and setting a lot more than I already did.

Awesome post, awesome writing. You are just the best. Re 50mg vs 70 or 75mg of DiPT....I've had DiPT twice...at 70mg and the second time at 50mg. 50mg did give me a full +++ but it wasn't too cosmic or 'wow, never been here before.' Of course that could also have been because it was my second time and I was 'there' before.

On the other hand, my trip partner that day also took 50mg (their first time with DiPT) and they had a strong +++, flirting with ++++.

I think both would be satisfying for you, the only reason I suggested 70mg to you is because it is you, and I think you would be fine. The one thing I noted about DiPT was as strong as it can be, it also had a gentle/friendly aspect to it...far more like mushrooms or even morning glory (except it never made me sick and shitty feeling) than the other tryptamines. It is truly the one synthetic psychedelic I've had that seems to have 'wise entities' in it. Very ancient stuff. Not so much white light....more healing and teaching.

Wish I got to explore MiPT more (orally). I suspect at twice what I took it at (had 25mg the one and only time I ate it), it could have been interesting.

Smoked MiPT was...not too different from MET...just less sensory....and either way nothing extraordinary. Oh well.

Have any of you had n,n-DALT? What does that one do?

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I definitely get what you're saying, and yeah I think I could handle 70 mg without issue and would definitely consider it most days, but I think I probably will go with 50 mg this time. That level of trip you describe sounds closer to what I think would be the most refreshing for me right now, and with getting a fuller audio experience for the first time I'm sure I can keep myself entertained even beyond the psychedelic effects.

It's interesting that you note a gentler aspect to it as well. I have not tripped hard enough on it yet to experience something on this level, but on the MiPT I absolutely did feel the presence of compassionate entities as well, and even saw them around the sides of my vision as they were holding up my heart. They were part of what carried me into the light, hehe... and they did feel as though they had much more life than really any other synthetic tryptamine I've taken, even more than 4-HO-DET which caused entities that were even more solid but also more cartoony and delirious in nature. I could definitely see what you mean by "wise entities" because it's true that during the experience I actually felt as though they were acting with a purpose (i.e., to guide me through the metaphysical experience), whereas those like with 4-HO-DET, no matter how vivid, seem to be more along the lines of just something like a simulated environment. If that will happen for me with DiPT as well then I could see it being especially involved, because as I said I feel that DiPT will be much more 3D for me than MiPT was at an equivalent dose.... I am certainly very curious now to discover whether or not this will be the case!

Well, you won't hear any arguments from me there. 50 mg of MiPT was just fantastic for me. I am interested in trying it smoked some time as well, but honestly not as much as I'd rather use my limited supply orally. The way I have been experiencing these base tryptamines orally has sort of been adding to my suspicion that I would even find DMT a lot better if I took it that way as well, as when smoking it I find it to be kind of hollow. With synthetics I don't know how often I'll ever have enough of these to really want to use up my supply to test it....

Oh, and I've tried DALT before, but it was a disappointingly low threshold. It was a long while ago now and I don't recall the exact dose, I didn't write a report or anything.... I have a small amount left though that I will likely just eat all at once one of these days. What I do recall of my one experience with it so far is that it was gentle on the body like other base tryptamines and it had very mild sensory effects similar in style and color to 4-AcO-DALT, about as comparable to it as any other base/4-substitution pair. The general vibe to it overall hinted at some great depths like the others, but not to a degree that I can say it will definitely pan out at a higher dose. It was subtle enough that it seemed like it could possibly remain that way forever... though I won't judge it too much without a second trial.

 

[Kaleida]

Getting ready to dose on DiPT in a couple minutes, 55 mg tapped out so that's what it's going to be.



This is such a wonderfully weird substance. I must say that I am now eating my own words. Listening to music is actually the dominating theme of this trip so far, and not for the reason you might think. Nothing is disharmonious, only different, and there is much more enhancement than distortion. Playing a favorite song is like hearing it again for the first time, in all of its beauty. Other very interesting psychedelic effects are present too, but I'll describe them more later.... I just wanted to add a little bit of an update, but I can't tear myself away from the music for very long.

 

[xammy]

Anyone tried MXP? Is it worth trying?

 

[Xorkoth]

^Never have, doesn't seem like something I'd be into though. Ephenidine sounds more interesting. But honestly all those -phenidines creep me out a bit. Not that I've tried any of them.

Interesting Kaleida! How do voices sound? I'm wondering if you haven't reached that maximum level of distortion yet. Or maybe it's just different for everyone. Looking forward to your trip report.

 

[Kaleida]

Voices are the most noticeably distorted thing to me at the moment, they sound deeper than normal and if there is any strange feeling from a song at all it pretty much is coming from a voice extending that range, but they're still fleeting and most of the song sounds fine. I have been wondering as well if the effect is still going to increase even though I feel past the heaviest peak on basically all the other effects now, I noticed there was an odd timeline to it. At the beginning when the psychedelic effects were rising, I also had a ringing in my ears that increased almost to the point of being painful, but no noticeable distortions at that time. Thankfully that passed and I now have no extra ringing at all (I was terrified that it was going to last all day!), but things have still seemed to get progressively a little weirder since then, but still not to an insulting level. I don't mean to suggest that they're not strong though.... Though some songs are oddly almost unchanged, others sound VERY different in many ways, despite still keeping their proper rhythm.

I'm sure I could drive myself mad trying to figure out what causes which songs to behave which way and still not really have a good grasp of what it was, but just for example... this is a song that for me sounds almost just like listening to it normally, but still with a deeper feeling due to the psychedelic state:



Whereas this song for me is one that still sounds like the same song, but tweaked in just all the right ways to still make it hit my brain like novelty, to the point that I was nearly moved to tears (because I fucking love this song):



Curiously, while voices are still distorted, this second song no longer sounds as different as it did. I suppose, like all novelty, it just becomes routine once you're used to it.

I expect I'll be putting that trip report up some time this afternoon, after I've got my good fill of all of this.

 

[pharmakos]

IMing aside, 3-MeO-PCP was a drug that took me a while to 'get'. I did not care for it at all the first few times I did it, really I did not 'get it' until I took 20mg or more...and experienced the manic superman feeling that happens when you 'come down.' Once I went through that, I learned what it could do and as little as 5mg at night in the rain would produce the most sublime experience. 3-MeO-PCP is probably one of my all time favorites of anything aside from cannabis.

yup, this was exactly my experience with 3-MeO-PCP. once i got a full taste of its power, small amounts were a lot more understandable.

 

[SKL]

But honestly all those -phenidines creep me out a bit. Not that I've tried any of them.

You are wise to be creeped out. They are apparently dopaminergic (you can even see the amphetamine if you squint a little, not that the pharmacology is the same), which along with NMDA are 2 major neurochemical pathways being studied in schizophrenia, so overdoing it, as with PCP, well, therein lines psychosis.

 

[Xorkoth]

Kaleida: That's crazy, for me at 50mg the audio distortions were incredibly intense, like I said in my report, it was like my hearing was on DMT, my own voice and all male voices sounded like some sort of sci-fi robot, having a conversation would have been possible but extremely weird. Female voices sounded like comically deep male voices. Tires on the road sounded like wire tension snaps. Music sounded like an insane jumble of sounds. I wonder if some people are more susceptible to the hearing distortion or if I was just very sensitive to psychedelic then (I was in fact), having not had many of them yet? I remember a distinct feeling of physical inner ear movement, that stayed in place for quite a while. It felt like it blocked some of my hearing and allowed different frequencies to physically reach my ear, or allowed me to focus on frequencies I would normally have not noticed, or something. Strangely it also made my hearing feel very acute while simultaneously making me feel as if I had been partially deafened... it was like the normal range of sounds I couldn't hear but I was able to hear an abnormal range of sounds VERY acutely.

 

[Kaleida]

Oh yes, I can definitely see the potential for all of that, but on the same scale I would say that is was more like hearing was just on, like, mescaline or something. Distortions were very present but not disorienting and basically only existed to restore a long lost sense of novelty. Everything you describe though sounds like a way more overwhelming version of what I was getting, so I'd believe that we just have very different sensitivities to the same general effects. I also had the very noticeable physical feeling of inner ear movement, specifically during the time that the ringing was getting really loud. I'm not sure how different it still feels though, honestly I think a lot of the audio effects might be wearing off.... Most things are starting to sound relatively normal again, and voices don't sound as off. Again though, maybe it's just subtle enough that I've been able to get used to it already.

I think it would be very interesting to experience the distortions on that level too, but I'm afraid I might not be able to stomach it, literally. This dose had a pretty intense purge for me too, and that on top of how much loud ringing I had to go through to get the distortions I did have definitely put me off somewhat to the idea of pushing them even further... but given that I also felt that I probably got them to the extent that they can exist and still be pleasurable, I suppose that's really not so much of a bad thing.

 

[Kaleida]

Alright, nevermind, it's still kicking. xD I'm watching Friends now and it's tremendously bizarre. Phoebe and Joey are the most unaltered, almost normal. Rachel is next, normal but with a robot voice distortion. Ross has a little of that plus a slight pitch drop. Chandler has a comically low voice, it usually sounds realistic enough but nothing like him. Monica sounds like a guy doing a stereotypical effeminate voice. The music also sounds weirdly more disharmonious than anything I was listening to before did.... What an interesting drug this is.

 

[SKL]

Monica sounds like a guy doing a stereotypical effeminate voice.

lol ok someone was offering me DiPT the other day
and I haven't done psychedelics for a long ass time and don't really intend to
but this really piqued my curiosity more than anything lol
what is the level of psychological depth?

 

[Kaleida]

If you have the chance and you're interested and you're only worried about psychological effects I would say go for it. This is undoubtedly one of the lightest psychedelics on the mind I've ever taken, if not the lightest. Not to say that it doesn't have a psychedelic headspace in terms of things like euphoria and sensory enhancement, but there was no thought loops or random tangents or even come up anxiety. Accordingly, open eye visuals never even got above a light breathing effect with no significant color involvement. Extremely detailed, realistic, and vibrant mushroom-like visions could be milked out through meditation, but likely otherwise would not have really made themselves known. To me it essentially felt like a totally unique audio distortion drug which is made a little more interesting by coincidentally also being a mild psychedelic, at least at this dose and taken orally.

The thing with Friends changed very slightly over the course of the episode, but mostly stayed the same. By the end Rachel had lost her robot voice but was speaking a lot deeper than before. Monica didn't lose the stereotype thing but somehow I thought she shifted more into trying to sound like a really butch girl slowly but surely lol.