Solipsis
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I've wondered about that: if the telomeres are so associated with aging, how does Salvia Divinorum, which mostly propagates by asexual cloning, secure that the telomeres don't run out?
After checking it seems that some particular cells have telomerase activity which protect from telomer shortening.. that must be the explanation then..
What about trees that grow up to be thousands of years old? Kind of surprising senescence doesn't ruin it?
Peyote was/is thought to be less potent when its growth is immensely sped up by grafting, but I recently read plenty of that being questioned, with basically little to nothing to back up the original claim.
Potency is indeed considered to be correlated with age, although I really doubt the telomeres have anything to do with it. My personal guesses would rather be that alkaloids partially get stored up over time or that alkaloid synthesis regulation gets bumped up from trauma, but not that much bumped back down. If you want to use younger plants I would really stress them for a while to maximize potency / compensate for the young age, and inject doping with PEA precursor compounds..
If you graft an old cactus with a new cactus the pieces still have different age don't they? If you transplant an organ in humans, the lifespan matters if the organ is from a quite old person, although in certain cases, blood from a young person can reinvigorate old tissue, still you can't cure wear and tear.. or senescence, not yet.
Seems pretty complicated to try and predict how alkaloid synthesis is expressed, if hormones provided by the rootstock influence synthesis or if alkaloid content is regulated by metabolism non-locally, the age difference may actually matter. But more likely seems that it is just controlled by the age and properties of the scion and merely relying on nutrients provided from below.
I don't keep cacti to one day eat them so I don't worry about having to slaughter them out of curiosity. I'm interested to find out whether it is really different from synthetic mescaline since I didn't really get much effect out of the only time I ate cactus slime... but the only way I'd eat mine is if I could over time expand my graft collection and make a veritable peyote-on-stalk forest. Right now I even doubt that I can just plain keep these kinds of plants alive at all for years, especially the caespitosa ssp is a bitch since so much disease can fester in between the cracks of all the pups.
I still have some mescaline somewhere so it's fine either way. If someone else wants to try it, I'd look into alcoholic extractions of powdered San Pedro or Torch skin, and make those tarballs.
Hopefully I can manage to train my baobab like a bonsai, and hopefully it won't take decade upon decade for the caudex to start looking serious..
After checking it seems that some particular cells have telomerase activity which protect from telomer shortening.. that must be the explanation then..
What about trees that grow up to be thousands of years old? Kind of surprising senescence doesn't ruin it?
Peyote was/is thought to be less potent when its growth is immensely sped up by grafting, but I recently read plenty of that being questioned, with basically little to nothing to back up the original claim.
Potency is indeed considered to be correlated with age, although I really doubt the telomeres have anything to do with it. My personal guesses would rather be that alkaloids partially get stored up over time or that alkaloid synthesis regulation gets bumped up from trauma, but not that much bumped back down. If you want to use younger plants I would really stress them for a while to maximize potency / compensate for the young age, and inject doping with PEA precursor compounds..
If you graft an old cactus with a new cactus the pieces still have different age don't they? If you transplant an organ in humans, the lifespan matters if the organ is from a quite old person, although in certain cases, blood from a young person can reinvigorate old tissue, still you can't cure wear and tear.. or senescence, not yet.
Seems pretty complicated to try and predict how alkaloid synthesis is expressed, if hormones provided by the rootstock influence synthesis or if alkaloid content is regulated by metabolism non-locally, the age difference may actually matter. But more likely seems that it is just controlled by the age and properties of the scion and merely relying on nutrients provided from below.
I don't keep cacti to one day eat them so I don't worry about having to slaughter them out of curiosity. I'm interested to find out whether it is really different from synthetic mescaline since I didn't really get much effect out of the only time I ate cactus slime... but the only way I'd eat mine is if I could over time expand my graft collection and make a veritable peyote-on-stalk forest. Right now I even doubt that I can just plain keep these kinds of plants alive at all for years, especially the caespitosa ssp is a bitch since so much disease can fester in between the cracks of all the pups.
I still have some mescaline somewhere so it's fine either way. If someone else wants to try it, I'd look into alcoholic extractions of powdered San Pedro or Torch skin, and make those tarballs.
Hopefully I can manage to train my baobab like a bonsai, and hopefully it won't take decade upon decade for the caudex to start looking serious..
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