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Yeah I stumbled onto your comment right after asking. I was asking for a friend who was given a small amount. there doesn't seem to be many reports on it. People seemed to like 25D-Nbome and the NBOH's are like less potent shorter and chiller versions of the NBOMes I gather?
If there's anything analogous to DOM, DOB, or DOC, then I'd certainly assume 25D-NBXX's to be more mild, I can insufflate 90mg of DOM and be totally fine, just tripping for a few days straight (I was also on a lot of MDMA though).

disclaimer, I am a dosedemon who, due to a variety of physiological quirks and a few missing organs can handle very high doses of certain drugs. Just because I did it, does not mean you should do it whatsoever, many people have terrible times on just 2.5mg of DOM orally.

I've also fallen in love with 3C-P and would love to know what 35P-NBXX's are like, 3,5-Dimethoxy-4-Propxyphenethylamine-N-(2-Methoxybenzyl) would likely be of great interest, I would suspect.
 
disclaimer, I am a dosedemon who, due to a variety of physiological quirks and a few missing organs can handle very high doses of certain drugs. Just because I did it, does not mean you should do it whatsoever, many people have terrible times on just 2.5mg of DOM orally.
Built different for sure. This should be in your bio :laughing:

Curious do you find low/typical doses of psychedelics -as best as you can tell subjectively- as effective as the typical user? For example with a full tolerance reset would a couple of tabs of acid still be a solid trip for you?
 
Built different for sure. This should be in your bio :laughing:

Curious do you find low/typical doses of psychedelics -as best as you can tell subjectively- as effective as the typical user? For example with a full tolerance reset would a couple of tabs of acid still be a solid trip for you?
Yeah I actually tend to have a much lower threshold dose than others, I can detect DOM down to about 300mcg, a third of a standard tab of acid off the street (assumedly maybe 80mcg) is noticeable too. 2C-B I can detect to maybe 3-4mg, allylescaline I absolutely ADORE in the 4-5mg range. Even things like etizolam, bromonordiazepam, methamphetamine, NEP, etc. I can usually detect at lower levels than normal when I've had my homies run single-blinded tests on me. The one thing where I have a slightly higher threshold is THC, even after my tolerance goes down I can only detect oral THC ~4-5mg whereas I have friends who could successfully distinguish 2mg from placebo which is fucking insane to me. I think I might just lack the capacity to get uh, "too high"? The point where a drug produces undesirable effects is when some potent opioids (7-OH-Mitragynine, oxycodone, hydromorphone, etc.) induce violent psychotic blackouts, and MDMA can induce suicidality sometimes. I'm a bit of a freak about determining what a threshold dose is for certain substances among my friends and I, we're all pretty used to the whole blinded-trial-placebo game at this point.

I do have a low cap for how much I can consume of a couple things actually, deschloroketamine I just found to induce a state of drunken boredom which I didn't hate but didn't really enjoy, so I wouldn't push that one too far. I can also black out off of 300mcg of etizolam alongside 100mcg of phenazolam, though I suspect that there may be some sort of synergy or cross-potentiation going on there. Some things like carisoprodol I'm damn near immune to also, I start to feel it ~750mg and have pushed myself up to 6 grams within a few hours before getting the good old "Soma Shakes". Also, I can consume a virtually infinite amount of 3-MeO-PCP without losing my grasp on reality (eighth of a gram is the record so far), but 3-HO-PCP gives me the spins way too bad if I exceed about 80mg orally or 40mg smoked in a dipper, whereas I've watched my fiance literally smoke a fifth of a gram of 3-HO-PCP on dipped American Spirits back to back to back, then just return to baking and cleaning and doing things around the house while I'm stuck in a 3-HO-PCP hole trying to figure out how to stand up off the couch hahaha. I much prefer 3-HO-PCP orally, it's easily one of the most "mystical" feeling drugs I've ever touched in my life, when consumed via that specific route of administration.

My fiance is very much irondomed the way that I am, one of our first dates was watching Stand By Me and splitting 34 tabs of acid because we were dissatisfied with the potency of the blotter when we had first tried it. I've also seen that man put down hundreds of milligrams of 2C-B in a single day split between numerous doses, recently for his birthday we each took, iirc, 18mg of DOM orally alongside about 25mg of meth (also orally), just to go to a concert and play billiards in a random bar with some strangers. It was a grand time. It's funny though how we both have very specific sensitivities, we can both body DOM like it's nothing but DOB menaces him severely (though not me), whereas 3-HO-PCP menaces me (but not him).

Like I said in the above post, to people reading this, please do not try to replicate these things, I have sustained meaningful amounts of brain damage thruoghout my life and have 1/6 of my intestines remaining, I certainly absorb drugs in an abnormal fashion.
 
the other day i had 4 mochi magic mushroom gummies from the smoke shop, it was a pretty trip. i'm not sure what's really in there, it says proprietary nootropic blend.
 
Took some 24 mg of 2C-D. Expected a fun time dancing to some nice tunes I had found. Turned into a much needed stern lesson instead. Tofu without depth, phhh, never to me. Great material.
Funnily enough, I took 23mg of 2C-D on the same day, along with 13mg of 2C-C. It was quite pleasant for me, but only a gentle ++.
 
Funnily enough, I took 23mg of 2C-D on the same day, along with 13mg of 2C-C. It was quite pleasant for me, but only a gentle ++.
They combined well? I took D with B once it wasn't my fav.

the other day i had 4 mochi magic mushroom gummies from the smoke shop, it was a pretty trip. i'm not sure what's really in there, it says proprietary nootropic blend.
Probably 4-HO/ACO-MET
 
Yep another one I would read with interest!
So I'm uh, 12,000-ish words into a book length release I'm working on right now where I'm summarizing at least ~50 of the reports I've already got notes written for. I've got some friends submitting some too, but we'll all be distinguished by pennames. My working title for this piece is "Tactful Relationships With Drugs", where I'm essentially trying to summarize contemporary perspectives on harm reduction, and trying to elaborate on concepts like the "pharmacokinetic juggling" thing I always ramble on and on about. I've been trying to channel my stimulant yappiness into writing instead of just clouding up BL threads all the time hahaha.

Took some 24 mg of 2C-D. Expected a fun time dancing to some nice tunes I had found. Turned into a much needed stern lesson instead. Tofu without depth, phhh, never to me. Great material.
Are there any themes to the lessons that 2C-D teaches relative to other drugs, in your opinion?

Recently I've tripped quite a bit, 25mg of intranasal DOM, 15mg of oral miprocin, the equivalent amount of LSD I'd equate to ~30 tabs off the street plus a handful of other lower doses from the same sheet, buspirone + DPT intranasally which was super fascinating, and an experience with uh, well let me explain. An incident years back led to my agar gel tabs of 25I-NBOMe and 25B-NBOH getting mixed up in a way where I cannot tell them apart, so each of these 5 gel tabs I administered a little bit ago were EITHER 400ug of 25B-NBOH or 200ug of 25I-NBOMe. The trip was fantastic, seemed shallow at first but then the degree of emotional catharsis it induced was absolutely fucking bonkers. I mixed it with THC/HHC, my dailies (bupropion, caffeine, cyclobenzaprine and THC/HHC) and also a hefty amount of 5mg/mL datura ointment that I'd rub into my inner wrists and temples to get it direct to the bloodstream. It was one of the most cathartic trips I've had in a LONG ass time.

Anybody here ever coadminister serotonergics and datura?
 
and also a hefty amount of 5mg/mL datura ointment that I'd rub into my inner wrists and temples to get it direct to the bloodstream.
Now that's more than a bit novel. We have nightshade that naturally grows in our current backyard, but I ensure it dies off because my dog gets the cow munchies when she wants to puke and starts eating all sorts of plants... can't be having that.

Always wanted to make a beer from scopolamine containing plants (using a recipe from Erowid... I'll have to look) but having taken hyoscyamine medicinally and experienced the worst nightmares ever from it, I feel very cautious about ever touching the stuff in unmeasurable doses.
 
Took 14mg+11mg psilacetin a few days back. Being in the midst of a move (the walls are naked and many pieces of furniture moved to the new house) it felt very unnerving and I instantly regretted it. I don't know why I did it. Only a large amount of liquor seemed to help with easing my mind back down to relax.
 
Took 14mg+11mg psilacetin a few days back. Being in the midst of a move (the walls are naked and many pieces of furniture moved to the new house) it felt very unnerving and I instantly regretted it. I don't know why I did it. Only a large amount of liquor seemed to help with easing my mind back down to relax.
When moving to a new apartment a couple years ago, I was profoundly depressed and stressed, like nearing an all time peak as far as those go. I found it super healing, relaxing and grounding to take (iirc, can't find notes rn too stoned) about 25mg of 3-HO-PCP, 5 or 6 separate 25mg bumps of 2C-B (poured 150 and bumped it here and there) throughout the night, and I also took some amount of LSD I can't recall that was almost certainly in excess of a milligram. The M.C.Escher nature of crawling up the stairs, getting lost in a small 2 bedroom apartment consistently, the weird "oil slick" cloth visuals I'd see floating around like psychedelic Charlie Brown ghosts, overall it was a super jovial and ecstatic experience. The entire trip scintillated with the iridescent hues of levity which served as the foundation of optimism I'd hold onto, to weather out the coming depressive episode which was easily a top 3 of my entire life. I wonder why the psilacetin steered you the opposite way in this same sort of context.

Now that's more than a bit novel. We have nightshade that naturally grows in our current backyard, but I ensure it dies off because my dog gets the cow munchies when she wants to puke and starts eating all sorts of plants... can't be having that.

Always wanted to make a beer from scopolamine containing plants (using a recipe from Erowid... I'll have to look) but having taken hyoscyamine medicinally and experienced the worst nightmares ever from it, I feel very cautious about ever touching the stuff in unmeasurable doses.
Yeah I wouldn't fuck with most nightshades, I got this from one of my best friends who samples a variety of ethnobotanicals and the sort, he and I are also kind of "irondomed". This shit makes fantastic lube, the pro-sexual activities were something I didn't describe to my fiance when I was like "we should try this" but immediately we both realized there was something novel going on. Music appreciation is also beyond insane with it, I do not like the unmeasured approach of getting these from plants but fuck it, if properly titrated I'm pretty sure it's a reasonably useful material. It makes sense that indigenous communities often utilized datura, fuck even my Romani ancestors allegedly brought datura to Europe, allegedly acting as some sort of diabolical catalyst for the presence of European witchcraft.
 
wonder why the psilacetin steered you the opposite way in this same sort of context.
I’m not really surprised, Psilacetin is almost always given to painful self-analyses in my experience and right now my job is stressing the shit out of me, my current home is miserable to live in (lots of crappy neighbors), and moving some of my more valuable collections is stressing me to the max. I have a lot of out of print vinyl, blu-rays, antique firearms, out of production drugs… I don’t want anything to get damaged in the process and I don’t want to move anything that is liable to be damaged until I can ensure its safety so to speak.

They say that moving is one of the top most stressful activities one endures in life. I’ve always found this to be true. And with every move I’ve got more and more valuables I don’t want to damage, mostly antiques that cannot be replaced.
 
Took some 24 mg of 2C-D. Expected a fun time dancing to some nice tunes I had found. Turned into a much needed stern lesson instead. Tofu without depth, phhh, never to me. Great material.
2c-D is neutral..

whatever you're feeling will be amplified IME
 
Yes, I agree that 2C-D is neutral. The trip before this one I had a surprisingly good time, very euphoric to music, something which I hadn't experienced before. And for that trip I kind of expected the same, as I had found some cool tunes beforehand. Well, it sat me down instead.
 
Yes, I agree that 2C-D is neutral. The trip before this one I had a surprisingly good time, very euphoric to music, something which I hadn't experienced before. And for that trip I kind of expected the same, as I had found some cool tunes beforehand. Well, it sat me down instead.
It's funny how this happens sometimes, I've had DOB and 25E-NBOH act consistently energetic and euphoric but then occasionally sitting me down to learn some unexpected wisdom.

Unrelated to that (partially), but in the last 3 weeks I've noticed no tolerance despite using a pretty large amount of 25I-NBOMe/25B-NBOH twice, 300mcg of vaporized 25E-NBOH, ~350mcg of LSD, 15mg of oral miprocin and 25mg of intranasal DOM. It went 25I-NBOMe/25B-NBOH twice -> 25E-NBOH -> DOM -> Miprocin -> LSD, and I'm curious to take a tab and see if it's still working this way because damn, this is super peculiar. I'm constantly doing tolerance tests and I'm very familiar with how tolerance develops for me, and this is a huge shift from how it normally goes.

Anybody else ever notice an occasional absence of tolerance formation in response to serotonergic psychedelics?

Oh, a friend of mine just got 100g of memantine in on the big cheap too, I'm excited to see how the product came out.
 
No idea about tolerance, but does someone ever had some kind of insensitivity develop (and hopefully resolve) where psychedelics, independent of ROA cause some kind of stomach turmoil and cramping? Have a bit of stomach troubles even with vaped DMT now, despite only using psychedelics sparingly. Not sure if it is psychosomatic (and if so, why), but there seems to be a trend now. I think I heard of it happening, but not sure where.

Yeah, 25E-NBOH seemed special and worthwhile, but I don't have the balls to titrate it again (to more reasonable doses) after my one and only trip disaster with it. I think a 600 - 800 μg sublingual would be a strong and good dose for me, not the excessive 1.2 mg I had (I have to emphasise that this dosage was with a private batch, not with whatever was going around and probably misled me dose-wise). Although if I had titrated the material beforehand, I think I would have withstood the storm. But being thrown into that strong of a trip while my body felt like it was giving up on me together with the psychosis-like strong stimulation, well, that was a bit much.
 
No idea about tolerance, but does someone ever had some kind of insensitivity develop (and hopefully resolve) where psychedelics, independent of ROA cause some kind of stomach turmoil and cramping? Have a bit of stomach troubles even with vaped DMT now, despite only using psychedelics sparingly. Not sure if it is psychosomatic (and if so, why), but there seems to be a trend now. I think I heard of it happening, but not sure where.
I've noticed this in a super small amount of people, 2-3 people I've met in real life (one claims LSD still works fine whereas the other two don't) and Nervewing also mentioned this. I've never heard of it resulting from lysergamide use, but tryptamines and phenethylamines have induced it in the first two people, the third person only doesn't get GI side effects from LSD.
Fuck, @Esperighanto , I need to admit... 2C-B... It's a bimbodelic. But it's just so good at it and therapeutic. Grinning from ear to ear, no depth, 24 mg 2C-B HCl :D And no stomach issues to speak of.
Yeah it's not an attempt to shit on 2C-B as much as just, in my opinion, an accurate characterization. I think it's valuable as it is, but if I'm working on serious internal issues I'll probably reach for (or combine 2C-B with) something else, whereas if I just need to be less depressed and find more beauty around me and connect more to the people and location I'm in, 2C-B is such a perfectly fitting tool. I've found 6-APB, 2C-B, PCP Analogs/2-FXE, MDA, DOx's, and N-benzylated phenethylamines to all exhibit the effect of really connecting me to people and places, and while all of those drugs exhibit antidepressant effects to some degree or another, only 2C-B is even remotely as free of adverse effects and tolerance formation as the others, for me at least.

I finally got a tolerance to develop and it took specifically LSD use. Weird.
 
I think it can go a little deeper than what I had on Friday night, but it was absolutely gorgeous as is. I made myself a little custom silicone mould from a 3D printed positive (3x3 tabs, just for personal use) and agartabbed the 2C-B into 24 mg tabs splittable into quarters. First took 3/4, but then at 30 min it was already coming on very euphoric so I took the missing quarter.

I might actually need to revise my stance on 2C-C. Perhaps it isn't shallower than 2C-B and has the advantage of me liking the visuals a bit more and not getting a headache the next day from it (which did go away after a sub-visual microdose of DMT, but not instantly, so I'm not yet to call it a cure). Perhaps 2C-B is a little more euphoric.

I've also had doubts if 2C-D truly is more introspective than 2C-B (because I didn't have 2C-B in a while and thought maybe I misremember its lack of depth), but this trip on Friday showed me that at least for myself this assessment is right.

The past 3 days I've been discovering a lot of great music which has been much help for my mood. I think I'm still in a state of heightened music appreciation due to the 2C-B afterglow.

I don't know how Ann Shulgin was in person, but I like to imagine 2C-B as her spirit. Hey, don't take life so serious and why not put a smile on your face, dear?

Also @Esperighanto , you asked about 2C-D's introspective nature. It is hard for me to put in words, but it just makes me think how I treat myself and others, more so than materials like 2C-C or 2C-B. It's quite neutral for me. It can be euphoric, but it usually does not imprint a certain mood on me. I think that's why some people disregard it as bland, but to me it's a feature, not a bug. It is also very light on the body and while insightful, not too harsh on the mind. I truly think it could be an excellent tool for therapy. It does at times lack a bit of punch in terms of actually following through with the insights however. My hunch is that if the theory of reopening critical learning periods to change habits after a trip is true, it correlates both with the strength of the trip and duration of the trip, for which 2C-D is certainly lacking in the latter department. But that's also one of its strengths. I see it as a diet 2C-E. Much of the same neutralness, honesty, but none of the brutality in terms of mind and body (if you find yourself among the group of 2C-E responders like me, for which it is best described as 'beautiful torture'). Your mileage may vary though, I can only speak for myself. I certainly recommend trying to get your hands on both 2C-D and 2C-E to see for yourself. I think you are going to like 2C-E more though, I think there is a good chance you find yourself in the group that thinks of 2C-D as too mild.
 
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