arrall
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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: aLL aBoArD tHe MoThErShiP 👽🛸
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Thank you for the heartfelt post @arrall, it was a bit overwhelming to read. I am very happy that you have gotten something out of my reports and I appreciate you sharing your story of how you first arrived here because of me as well. As you might imagine, I can relate to it very strongly as I was just following the people who came before me as well and some of the same people who inspired me to get into trip reporting are still active here on the forum as well. We all have our newbie phases and our veteran phases and I often still feel like a newcomer compared to some other people I've known and still know, but I'm also glad to be inspiring others to follow in the same footsteps that led me to where I am and be able to gain the same sorts of benefits that I personally was able to gain by following in those same steps before. I don't mean to completely push your compliments off onto others but I do feel very similarly about the people who inspired to me become the person I am today.
I am somewhat aware that my trips reports have influence. I have been doing this long enough to have encountered or been approached by a number of people who told me that I was their favorite trip reporter or that I inspired them to explore themselves to gain understanding of themselves in similar ways like I try to, or, if you can believe it, to tell me that they've obtained a new drug that's never been written about before and they wanted my opinion on what it might do before taking it, despite never having even met me before that. I do my best to craft my experiences and writing in a way that will help others in addition to being satisfying for myself, and it makes me very happy and also appreciative that there are people out there who like what I do and/or feel inspired to do the same because of it, and I certainly empathize with that kind of mindset of someone who would read my trip reports and be inspired in that way and remember my own days of that sort fondly. I hope that anyone who feels a connection with my work and reads this or anything else I write feels free to reach out to me about it or anything at any time, as I enjoy connecting with others and will very gladly talk about any of the topics that I focus on myself in the things I write about of course. I could not have gotten to where I am today if others were not willing to do the same and help others such as myself, and it's the least I can do to pay it forward, and I just enjoy doing it.
I hope your DOC trip was lovely.
And take all the time you need to respond to anything I said of course.
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@JackARoe
I don't mean to overload you but I thought of something else seemingly potentially relevant that I thought you might appreciate because of what we were talking about in the other thread about living alternate lifetimes on salvia.
Around the time I described in my recent post here when I was experiencing that stuff related to "Heaven" and "Hell" and whatnot, I was also very interested in the concept of living for extreme amounts of time in a short amount of actual time passed on a trip, and I was trying to find as many reports as I could of anyone describing such an experience on any substance. This is one I came across from smoked DMT on Erowid, "A Week in Etherea."
I hadn't been thinking about this report in relation to the things I said about salvinorin A and oral Δ9-THC, until it occurred to me to consider the potential similarities to what I described from those substances and the ways they seem to be opposite parallels to one another for me in the fact that this person's supposed extremely time-dilated DMT trip seemed to explicitly bounce back and forth between daytime, which is described as a beautiful fractal landscape of harmony, companionship, and safety, and a directly contrasted nighttime, which is described as a dark, black, terrifying, painful void of monstrous torture, which does very distinctly remind me of the qualities I associated with my experiences with oral Δ9-THC and salvinorin A, respectively. However, imagine my surprise when, something I had completely forgotten about, when re-reading it again just now, I discovered that about halfway through the report, the author explicitly writes: "In a surprising moment of clarity I realized that the body I left behind on earth was hyperventilating. I spent the remainder of the night focusing on slowing my breathing. This could not bring me back to earth, but it served as a reminder that this realm of suffering was not all existence."
To keep this post short and simple, I basically wanted to come here to propose an additional idea, which is the following: perhaps the experience I noted from oral Δ9-THC is reflective of the brain process involved in breathing out reaching some sort of mental breaking point, perhaps the experience I noted from salvinorin A is reflective of the brain process involved in breathing in reaching some sort of mental breaking point, and perhaps psychedelics, by mimicking the implications of carbon dioxide at the 5-HT2A receptor, can stimulate breathing in general, like in a way that would lead to hyperventliation when activated very strongly and like one would expect from carbon dioxide flooding your lungs and brain, and perhaps that kind of more general stimulation of breathing function can also cause both of the individual "breathing out" and "breathing in" functions to reach their mental breaking points alternatingly, as opposed to just bringing one or the other to a peak point like perhaps oral Δ9-THC and salvinorin A are doing for me?
What I mean to suggest is, perhaps this entire seven-day trip report actually takes place within the span of seven breaths out and seven breaths in, which I would propose may have been situated specifically between the fourth and final toke of DMT they took and the moment when they reached the peak of the experience, with complete ego death. I would essentially propose that what happened is that in real life, they took the fourth hit, started hyperventilating, noticed within a few breaths that their body was doing that, immediately started working on slowing their breath and calming down, allowing them to reach ego dissolution within a few more breaths, and calming their hyperventilation enough that their breathing did slow to a degree that their "breathing out" and "breathing in" functions were no longer reaching their mental breaking points, thus ending the experience, and that up to that point, the psychological implications of those breaking points being reached back and forth were such that they interpreted the entire short-lived event as involving an enormous amount of narrative content like a dream or however these drugs happen to weave such vivid stories in our minds, and that narrative was explicitly framed around the alternating drift into and out of the "daytime" (like the white light?) and the "nighttime" (like the black void?) because that's the kind of cyclical rotation between light and dark that the human brain has become adapted through evolution to understand, or, you know... whatever.
Perhaps, perhaps?
I also remembered and thought it might be worth mentioning that the salvia trip had by Ari Shaffir, the one which was the inspiration for that other thread being started in the first place, included the following passage to describe how the experience ended:
The entire report is in my first post in that thread.
I don't recall Steve Cantwell describing something breathing-related in his salvia trip, although perhaps it's worth noting that his trip did seem to only end at the moment that he accepted the thought of leaving his old life behind in his alternate reality new life, which is, you know, similar to giving up on breathing I suppose?
Anyway, I just wanted to share all of that while it was on my mind. I'm still not trying to say anything with certainty, just intending to put more ideas out there for you to consider which I feel may relate back to the topic at hand, and other topics elsewhere as well.
Still no rush on anything of course should you choose to respond to anything at all.
But, for the record this is one of the ways I like to tear apart the supposed extreme time dilation experiences. The question is basically: does the story have believable elements that would be expected from a trip like that, to an extent that could be reasonably described as being hard to expect someone to be able to accurately make up and insert into the story if none of the story were actually true or if it were highly embellished? The more I can analyze every single aspect of the trip and still think it sounds like a real trip, the more it certainly at least seems to make it hard for me to deny that the story might actually be true, no matter how much I might find myself resistant to accepting some of the other details that were included in the story, like utterly extreme time dilation. At least, that's been my strategy and thinking so far. I try not to go too far and look for details that may not be there just for the sake of trying to prove the reality of something that may indeed be fake too, but so far I don't think the observations I made about some of these experiences here or elsewhere are entirely unreasonable. Just wanted to throw that out there too.
I don't mean to overload you but I thought of something else seemingly potentially relevant that I thought you might appreciate because of what we were talking about in the other thread about living alternate lifetimes on salvia.
Around the time I described in my recent post here when I was experiencing that stuff related to "Heaven" and "Hell" and whatnot, I was also very interested in the concept of living for extreme amounts of time in a short amount of actual time passed on a trip, and I was trying to find as many reports as I could of anyone describing such an experience on any substance. This is one I came across from smoked DMT on Erowid, "A Week in Etherea."
I hadn't been thinking about this report in relation to the things I said about salvinorin A and oral Δ9-THC, until it occurred to me to consider the potential similarities to what I described from those substances and the ways they seem to be opposite parallels to one another for me in the fact that this person's supposed extremely time-dilated DMT trip seemed to explicitly bounce back and forth between daytime, which is described as a beautiful fractal landscape of harmony, companionship, and safety, and a directly contrasted nighttime, which is described as a dark, black, terrifying, painful void of monstrous torture, which does very distinctly remind me of the qualities I associated with my experiences with oral Δ9-THC and salvinorin A, respectively. However, imagine my surprise when, something I had completely forgotten about, when re-reading it again just now, I discovered that about halfway through the report, the author explicitly writes: "In a surprising moment of clarity I realized that the body I left behind on earth was hyperventilating. I spent the remainder of the night focusing on slowing my breathing. This could not bring me back to earth, but it served as a reminder that this realm of suffering was not all existence."
To keep this post short and simple, I basically wanted to come here to propose an additional idea, which is the following: perhaps the experience I noted from oral Δ9-THC is reflective of the brain process involved in breathing out reaching some sort of mental breaking point, perhaps the experience I noted from salvinorin A is reflective of the brain process involved in breathing in reaching some sort of mental breaking point, and perhaps psychedelics, by mimicking the implications of carbon dioxide at the 5-HT2A receptor, can stimulate breathing in general, like in a way that would lead to hyperventliation when activated very strongly and like one would expect from carbon dioxide flooding your lungs and brain, and perhaps that kind of more general stimulation of breathing function can also cause both of the individual "breathing out" and "breathing in" functions to reach their mental breaking points alternatingly, as opposed to just bringing one or the other to a peak point like perhaps oral Δ9-THC and salvinorin A are doing for me?
What I mean to suggest is, perhaps this entire seven-day trip report actually takes place within the span of seven breaths out and seven breaths in, which I would propose may have been situated specifically between the fourth and final toke of DMT they took and the moment when they reached the peak of the experience, with complete ego death. I would essentially propose that what happened is that in real life, they took the fourth hit, started hyperventilating, noticed within a few breaths that their body was doing that, immediately started working on slowing their breath and calming down, allowing them to reach ego dissolution within a few more breaths, and calming their hyperventilation enough that their breathing did slow to a degree that their "breathing out" and "breathing in" functions were no longer reaching their mental breaking points, thus ending the experience, and that up to that point, the psychological implications of those breaking points being reached back and forth were such that they interpreted the entire short-lived event as involving an enormous amount of narrative content like a dream or however these drugs happen to weave such vivid stories in our minds, and that narrative was explicitly framed around the alternating drift into and out of the "daytime" (like the white light?) and the "nighttime" (like the black void?) because that's the kind of cyclical rotation between light and dark that the human brain has become adapted through evolution to understand, or, you know... whatever.
Perhaps, perhaps?
I also remembered and thought it might be worth mentioning that the salvia trip had by Ari Shaffir, the one which was the inspiration for that other thread being started in the first place, included the following passage to describe how the experience ended:
The entire report is in my first post in that thread.
I don't recall Steve Cantwell describing something breathing-related in his salvia trip, although perhaps it's worth noting that his trip did seem to only end at the moment that he accepted the thought of leaving his old life behind in his alternate reality new life, which is, you know, similar to giving up on breathing I suppose?
Anyway, I just wanted to share all of that while it was on my mind. I'm still not trying to say anything with certainty, just intending to put more ideas out there for you to consider which I feel may relate back to the topic at hand, and other topics elsewhere as well.
Still no rush on anything of course should you choose to respond to anything at all.
But, for the record this is one of the ways I like to tear apart the supposed extreme time dilation experiences. The question is basically: does the story have believable elements that would be expected from a trip like that, to an extent that could be reasonably described as being hard to expect someone to be able to accurately make up and insert into the story if none of the story were actually true or if it were highly embellished? The more I can analyze every single aspect of the trip and still think it sounds like a real trip, the more it certainly at least seems to make it hard for me to deny that the story might actually be true, no matter how much I might find myself resistant to accepting some of the other details that were included in the story, like utterly extreme time dilation. At least, that's been my strategy and thinking so far. I try not to go too far and look for details that may not be there just for the sake of trying to prove the reality of something that may indeed be fake too, but so far I don't think the observations I made about some of these experiences here or elsewhere are entirely unreasonable. Just wanted to throw that out there too.
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