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It sure does. :) I love the high you can get after a break.

I feel a few good trips in my future this Spring and Summer. The time feels right, it's been a long time since I had a good 5-HT psychedelic experience, and my life is kinda wide open right now.
 
it's my friend's 22nd bday and a gram of mushies just went down the hatch. my girlfriend is sitting here calling me a loser for making this post lol

I'm gonna dose like 4 or more grams of ghb as it comes on to see how getting bated combines with the mushroom funkiness

because it says sodium oxybate on my bottle of ghb we call it getting bated lol

I feel bad for those without nug, I wish I could show up at your doorsteps with a fat joint.

over the summer I was smoking like a quarter of weed or more per day I have a hard time comprehending how my lungs were able to handle that now
 
I have to line the windowsills with paper towels to stop water from leaking in. We might as much from the current storm system as we did all of last year. Nice.

Roger&I said:
tried my hand at writing a novel this past summer and the experience was like pulling teeth. much more challenging than i anticipated.
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Way ambitious man. And did you anticipate that it would be anything less than a mind-racking, full-time job? All those writers end up as drunks or suicides for a reason. Do you write a lot of prose normally? I mean, there's a lot to keep track of and work out for even a short ~150pp. work, I wouldn't know where to start.

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Awe-inspiring stuff, I mean, imagine what it'd be like to be the guy recording death machinery invading (technically invited, it's kinda a grey area) you. They're Mi-24's I think.
 
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Russian come.

So I've got this awful cannabinoid blend atm. I have no idea what is in it to be honest; it doesn't really feel like any of the cannabinoids I've previously taken (admittedly, not many). It kicks in within 10 seconds of smoking it, seems to launch into a really full on weedlike-headfuck which lasts 10 minutes and then its just over. Lasts for about 15 minutes max. Its a really awful feeling if you have one small toke too much, but is RIDICULOUSLY psychedelic when dosed well. Unfortunately, its basically a panicogen when I take it though my friend loves it, but it is so weird and dark and overwhelming that I just keep trying it; "maybe this time I'll inhale the perfect amount" and every time it totally freaks me out. I was literally holding on to my seat 5 minutes ago. I had an urge to contact my mother and beg her for help. I wanted to go to the ER. Then its just over with. Like terror-inducing nitrous oxide. I can no more imagine enjoying this stuff then enjoying partial immolation.

Headbangwall.

Now just going to roll a spliff of actual herb and hopefully go to sleep at some point, work commences early. G'night you princes of maine.

<3
 
Xorkoth said:
Sup dude! You going to come through Asheville soon? I think you were going to recently, right?
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Haha I live here! We just gotta find a date when we're all free, so we can chill. In the next week or two I'm sure we can get something worked out,
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Haha I live here! We just gotta find a date when we're all free, so we can chill. In the next week or two I'm sure we can get something worked out,
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Oh well I did not realize that at all! Bad ass!

I'm available most of the time, well, I can make most times work.
 
So I was just reading some anecdotal experiences of people taking high-dose loperamide and developing very alarming and possibly permanent symptoms. Years ago, last I was active, I had heard rumors that in theory it could cause some of these symptoms, but I hadn't heard of it actually happening to anyone.

The reason I am concerned is because high-dose loperamide has been my go-to for keeping my sanity during opiate withdrawal. I am currently in a pattern of taking it daily, I have been gradually reducing my usage of opiates and recently I have gotten down to once every 4 days, about to do 5 days. But on all the off days I end up taking loperamide because it makes it all feel better, not great, but bearable. I am actually pretty surprised that even doing opiates only every 4 days still leaves me feeling withdrawal enough to need to medicate it. When I don't take the loperamide on the off days I get horrendous anxiety and depressive thoughts and it is very difficult to sleep from the restlessness. I am starting to wonder if loperamide has a withdrawal of its own.

To make matters more concerning, I have been yoyoing with opiates for years, and loperamide has been my go-to like this for at least 2 years. I have gone through many periods of taking it regularly. And when I say high dose, I mean 50-60mg.

So, I guess I was wondering if anyone has any info on the topic. And I am also thinking I need to find myself some MXE instead so I can low-dose that as needed, because it also combats the withdrawal feelings, at least as well. Give myself a week or so of that and I should be done, and off this damn fucking rollercoaster for good. I'm so close as it is but I think I am deciding not to take loperamide any more because I'm really paranoid that I've been doing significant damage to myself (even though I don't really feel like I have, but I will say that it doesn't feel healthy to be doing, less healthy than just taking opiates even, physically). But I'm afraid of my brain if I don't have something to ease myself. My power to rationalize to myself is extremely strong.
 
loperamide is only supposed to be neurotoxic if it crosses the blood-brain barrier (which it doesn't do under normal circumstances), but i would imagine that even from a purely physical standpoint a loperamide habit isn't too healthy

idk if replacing it with an MXE habit would be good either.... MXE addiction can be a hell of a beast too (just look at how many iterations of the B&D MXE thread there have been since you left)

probably best to just taper down the loperamide i would think

maybe replace it with a weed habit :)
 
it wouldn't cause any physical dependence, but mental dependence with that stuff is a pretty slippery slope.... and as you say:

Xorkoth said:
My power to rationalize to myself is extremely strong.
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i think you and i are cut from the same cloth, and i know the only reason i don't currently have a bad dissociative dependence is simply because i'm unemployed and cannot afford to have one. i'd be afraid for myself if i had a steady supply of MXE at hand.
 
I did MXE daily for a year and a half. Not really heroic dosing, just little doses throughout the day. When I stopped taking it, I didn't feel any negative effects other than wishing for more. But for me, wishing for more is life in general.
 
I feel like taking some MXE for this boring sunday night.. Got night shift tomorrow so I could sleep late.. hmm :)

Funny thing, yesterday just when I had came from sauna and I had taken 40mg MXE with my sauna beer, my friend is calling that theyre coming to get me to friends place. First time in a long time i was in public on MXE, i felt fucked but its weird, they said that I look and act completely normal. I was even being more social than normal, and being social isnt a problem for me. Lol.
 
^^ haha yeah. i've ended up unexpectedly in public when i thought i was going to be chilling solo on MXE. i remember saying to my friend once "wow i feel like i can barely even speak" and he just laughed and laughed at me, said "dude i know exactly how you feel, but you sound totally normal to me." :)
 
Xork- loperamide certainly has its own withdrawal, and will string along your every 4-5 day opioid use as if there were no breaks. Those receptors have to up regulate, and with a routine like that they aren't having the opportunity. I'd say taper the loperamide...you don't want all WD symptoms vanquished, you want to be in a state of as much discomfort as you can take whilst still going about your daily doings...

Loperamide has a half life of 10.5 hours, so dosing 50-60 mg a day for days in a row means you are slowly and consistently raising your blood plasma levels....take less and less on subsequent days or you are working backwards...

Thus far, the prolonged QT intervals have only been observed in people taking hundreds of milligrams daily for sustained periods of time. And while the neurotoxic LPP+ metabolite has been demonstrated it doesn't show the "dopamine receptor" Shermans Wake in animal studies...yet. Research here is scant, but more and more coming out...

Loperamide is a godsend for withdrawals, but is highly underestimated in how addictive it can be, and how hideous the high dose long term withdrawals can be. Use caution, and use sparingly! Most say it is easy to taper, but there are also many accounts of long term users tapering down to 2 mg and still suffering surprisingly nasty withdrawals...much like someone who has been on suboxone for years and tapers down to .1mg and still has some relatively nasty withdrawals. If the dose keeps you from being sick, it still is preventing up regulation, which is one part of opioid withdrawal and recovery that cannot be avoided, and is necessary to break free. There are easier rides, sure, but no free rides....sigh....that piper needs to be paid, whether all at once or in small allotments is up to you...

Good luck
 
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^^ haha yeah. i've ended up unexpectedly in public when i thought i was going to be chilling solo on MXE. i remember saying to my friend once "wow i feel like i can barely even speak" and he just laughed and laughed at me, said "dude i know exactly how you feel, but you sound totally normal to me." :)
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Yeah its like some perfect stealth drug even if it doesnt feel so :D I had this friend who took it daily for months (actually same friend whose place I was at yesterday) and I was surprised to learn that he had been on MXE on several occasions and I didnt have a clue lol.

Shared rest of my weed yesterday with friends, why does it feel so good to share :) Also gave 20mg mxe to this friend who actually introduced me to MXE back in the day. He got a nice little buzz from it with weed, he's been disso-free for some months now but I think he got little permatolerance for them already.

I just snorted 30mg and I will open a beer now, this is going to be great sunday night ;)

Ohh and thenightwatch: the CoQ10 arrived. Been taking it 1-2 times a day. Maybe it does something, but im not so heavy disso user that maybe i wouldnt even need it. Its good to use healthy supplements tho I guess

is 5-HTP safe/dangerous to take for example 3 hours after MXE to get some sleep?
 
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Thanks for the info amanitadine. Very good to know... I still think I am in a better position, I have gotten much better at combating my cravings and when I don't take anything the withdrawal is still mild compared to how it used to be. I am going to stop taking loperamide, well maybe I'll have it on hand for if things get really bad but I won't consider it a harmless medicine.
 
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