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I see, I'll PM ya sometime when it's financially viable to make the switch. I was spending 200% of my income for a month+, burnt through all my savings, and now am scrambling to make ends meet, so it'll be a month or more before I can try that.

Haha, I feel invigorated when trying to keep my life together is like trying to drive a fishtailing car at 70mph on a busy freeway. I need to rid myself of that tendency.
 
Laika, maybe I will. I just don't know whats available in Australia- something a bit of research should remedy. FWIW, I smoke on average 7 cigs (rolling tobacco) per day, though somedays more (esp. if I take some opiates) somedays less (lke yesterday when I had 1).

Willow, man try some ecigs. I don't know what kind to recommend as most of the cheap disposable ones I have tried suck...I'd just check out a local vapor store, most of them let you try out the various juices. Seriously, do it! You will love being able to smell and taste again, your sig other or friends will love that you don't smell like ashes, and think of the real drugs you can buy with the money. Finally, I really love vaping in and of itself...it is probably the most pleasurable drug I use these days. I can go without weed or noids, I don't even take my adderall every day anymore...but my coffee and vapor...I would seriously not want to live without 'em.

There are ecig boards just like bluelight...sign up and ask for a recommendation. You will be a happy camper filled with glee once you get off cigs.

Quite a sales pitch there MGS ;) :) I am certain Miss Willow would be happy if I quit smoking; she never has and finds it incomprehensible. Then again, I find binging on chocolate and then getting depressed pretty mystifying also. :) Male/female dichotomy....:|

And PM me sometime about how things are going, you're one of my favorite people in the world, it'd be nice to get an email exchange or something going before you next leave BL. :)<3

Hey, thanks man. That really made me feel happy to hear. :) I have a heap of time for you as well <3 :) I feel like I will keep posting probably more then I have in the past few years, if only because I feel a lot happier and less likely to spew out a whole heap of disjointed, confused nonsense everytime I log in.

I hope that Xorkoth also sticks around! <3

Anyway- I borrowed some of my dogs tramadol- he is old and has arthritis so we are given two huge bottles a month for him. He's pretty happy to be honest. But tramadol- doesn't feel remotely like an opiate/opioid. Just a sort of serotoninesque nervousness. Pointless really. But I am going to have my fortnightly dose of codeine, which will be in the realm of 800-1000mg with a late day redose. Should smooth it out.
 
^I've borrowed tramadol from a dog too (but I waited until it no longer needed it), and found half a dozen 50mg pills on the ground once (by a frat house). I like the stuff, great duration, feels good, but tolerance makes it pointless on day 3 of use. Glad I decided to never buy an opiate ever again, and only use when free stuff comes my way, i.e. come across no longer needed/expired Rx's in medicine cabinets.
 
Or he can just hit me up. After a year in the industry I can pinpoint the perfect set up depending on each individuals cigarette consumption.

Yeah welll duh! You did say that in your last post. Been a long day, job hunting, writing, and cleaning, so a bit brain dead.

Never Knows Best said:
E-cigar? Do not say that again, or I will punch you through the internet.

Sorry man, I hear ya. That was offense to the fine art of cigar rolling and cigar enjoying. From here on out, I will simply refer to it as my trusty nicotine vapor device.

I hope Laika and myself can help any smokers here make the move. I love my fellow Blers too much to see any of you good folks be suckers to the tobacco industry any longer. It is one thing to enjoy fine tobacco that you hand roll but prerolled cigarettes, at least the kind that are not premium ones, are an insult to the smoker. My fellow BLer smokers...don't let them sucker you out of your hard earned cash and your well deserved health. Plus, you will never be told to go outside anymore to enjoy nicotine...and you get to feel smug looking at the other poor smokers who are not yet hip to the joys of evapor.
 
3 year chain vaper here! I have a few fancier big VV models but really over time I've settled on a generic ego vv battery and duel coil cartos...$21 for the battery, $1.89 for the cartos....when I used tanks and bigger models I'd always break them or lose them , and I like the slender profile of the kGO battery.....hangs in a lanyard around my neck, and if I break it while working around the farm no biggy. Nice hits off it too.....36 mg/ml PG/VG mix, tangerine flavored mmm....so much better than cigarettes. Made quitting a joy rather than a chore, and costs a relative pittance in comparison. Highly recommended to any smokers! PD agrees!
 
mgs said:
It is one thing to enjoy fine tobacco that you hand roll but prerolled cigarettes

I'd go for hand rolled cigs, I had some amazing rolling tobacco when I lived in DC (prolly 'cause it was locally grown, they weighed it out for you by the ounce from their bulk supply), it had a natural mesquite-like flavor and rolled beautifully. The stuff you can buy prepackaged is garbage. I am tiring of being a slave to pyrolyzed carcinogens that don't provide pharmacological or connoisseur pleasure.

MGS said:
That was offense to the fine art of cigar rolling and cigar enjoying

Do you ever smoke cigars? They're worth it even if you keep it to special occasions (I no longer possess even a simple humidor).

If you or anyone else here does like'em, what kinda stick do you prefer?
 
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^I've borrowed tramadol from a dog too (but I waited until it no longer needed it)

Its not as if he is going to run out. He gets 160 50mg tablets a month, which is waaaay too many for him, though he is a large Rottweiler. Henry is happy to share... On the subject of my dog, I find my really intense love of him to be both enlightening and utterly absurd. Enlightening because I have sometimes experienced an almost academic doubt regarding the existence of love and absurd because he is such a simple creature that really does nothing for me, except exist. But he is so beautiful (physically) with long black fur and he is gentle and timid, such a beautiful combination in a big fierce Rottweiler. I hope I've given him a good life, because I truly love him so much, and he's a furry animal <3

(guilty justification you pathetic willow :D)
 
On the subject of my dog, I find my really intense love of him to be both enlightening and utterly absurd.
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Only pet I've ever owned is a leopard gecko, got it when I was 7, care/ownership defaulted to my father after a few years, due to my moving out, and because I am a horrendously irresponsible person. That lizard is still alive and going strong, I'm hoping it'll last 'til I'm 27~30. I like animals, we have a cat where I live (I was actually named after my parents' cat), and my dad's dog, a young boxer, adores me because I play with its favorite toy (a laser pointer) and wrestle with it when I go over.

Pets can teach you a lot about love, and patience. :D Not sure if I could have a dog, I feel so guilty when I don't give'em loads of attention. I think a pet raven would be awesome. I don't know if you can even buy those.

roger said:
its "neuroscience and pharmacology discussion" now

I was surprised when I came here after a couple week break and found out we were suddenly a ".org" and found ED and ADD renamed (I heartily approve of these changes).
 
And if you can make Southeast Ontario, Canada switch geographical locations with the city of Ontario, California, we could chill sometime~

Fo sho mang (practicing my cali speak) ;) Works both ways too, if any of you are up here let me know :)

Haha, I feel invigorated when trying to keep my life together is like trying to drive a fishtailing car at 70mph on a busy freeway. I need to rid myself of that tendency.

But it is healthily invigorating to do that on a frozen lake. :D Time and place yo. I think more BLers need to get some raw, visceral excitement on and get into motorsports :)

I hope that Xorkoth also sticks around! <3

Me too. That was a long time coming. This place can be tempting, but I hope he can balance and stick around. :)

Anyway- I borrowed some of my dogs tramadol- he is old and has arthritis so we are given two huge bottles a month for him. He's pretty happy to be honest. But tramadol- doesn't feel remotely like an opiate/opioid. Just a sort of serotoninesque nervousness. Pointless really. But I am going to have my fortnightly dose of codeine, which will be in the realm of 800-1000mg with a late day redose. Should smooth it out.

Tramadol is interesting stuff. It's very long lasting, and quite euphoric in a serotonergic way. Definitely do not use tramadol with 'iffy' things. I used it with methylone once and it was all electric and seizure-ish.

LOL @ mooching drugs from your dog :D
 
pepper said:
I think more BLers need to get some raw, visceral excitement on and get into motorsports

It would only be good for me, and most of us here. Unlikely to happen though, I can't even ride a bicycle (lol, when I was a little kid and learning I fell into a rose bush and never again touched one. I maintain the habit out of stubbornness).

socks said:
This place can be tempting, but I hope he can balance and stick around.

Balance can be difficult, I was taking two days off the internet, and 3 or 4 off from BL for a while, but then Sochi happened. Trying to avoid non-PD social posting for the most part, so this place & drug thought don't take over my day again, that was just unhealthy.

psox said:
Tramadol is interesting stuff.

Most reliably euphoric opioid I've used. My fav was IV H, unsurprisingly, which was mainly used to induce time-killing apathy, though it only made my depression worse, leaving me irritable and boring to be around. Really, I think half the reason I get addicted to things is because a habit provides some sort of ontological security.
 
It would only be good for me, and most of us here. Unlikely to happen though, I can't even ride a bicycle (lol, when I was a little kid and learning I fell into a rose bush and never again touched one. I maintain the habit out of stubbornness).

Not even a bicycle? madness. My first stitches were from a bike jump. I know I'm probably one of 10 BLers with a rural upbringing. ATV's at 8 car at 16. Parents want you to work? Requires car. Want to have any life at all? Better learn to drive.

Since I was really young I've always been a speed junky. Comes with the territory. I just think it would be healthy for most people, it releases a lot of energy and feels like the bee's knees.

I'm one of those people lobbying to outlaw the automatic transmission. Damn distracted driving and lack of clutch/gear control is a death trap.

ontological security.

Ewww, academic philosophy terms. Haven't read that word in years and a whole area of academia I hated came flooding back. I like philosophy, just not the way they teach it.

I was thinking of BL deaths. It seems the leading cause here besides suicide is heroin overdose. I just think of how common it is and it takes me aback.

I know what you mean by using opies during the day to kill time. It seems like an anti-depressant, but it turns straight depressant.
 
paprika socks said:
Want to have any life at all? Better learn to drive.

Buses work well enough here, though public transit is very time consuming vs an urban epicenter (where it is the most convenient option). Also, being perpetually broke or near it, it's not like I have anywhere to go to. Yet I can't deny that I miss my car, and driving at 80mph with the windows down and stereo at ear-splitting volume.

chile socks said:
Ewww, academic philosophy terms. Haven't read that word in years and a whole area of academia I hated came flooding back. I like philosophy, just not the way they teach it.

I really hate the academic approach to, and most modern, Western philosophy. It's basically pedantic intellectual masturbation, where over-educated persons take 5 pages to relay 2 sentences worth of information due to an obsession with logic taken to mathematical levels of rigor. That's how I originally got into Eastern philosophy, opening up the I Ching, or Confucian Analects, and suddenly I was suddenly confronted with statements no larger than a drop of water*, that carry an ocean of meaning (and they realize that art/style is important to humanity). Later this line of thinking got me into religion more broadly, and there I remain with my philosophical interest (though I've skewed Abrahamic over time).

On the subject, I recently read Hindu And Muslim Mysticism by R.C. Zaehner (the guy who wrote the more popular Mysticism Sacred and Profane, which I have not read). It was interesting stuff, I gained some insight into my own adventures in psychedelic and sober esoteric experiences after seeing mystical states approached and differentiated with academic precision.

salt mittens said:
I was thinking of BL deaths. It seems the leading cause here besides suicide is heroin overdose. I just think of how common it is and it takes me aback.

It always hits hard, especially with the long-time members. Part of the reason I wanted to get out of PD-modding was because the disconcertingly frequent media reports of NBOMe fatalities, it's like, that's not what I signed up for when I came on here. I didn't even like going into the B&D threads, the availability of those chemicals in the scene just disturbs me. I don't know how the OD and TDS (or rather, RS nowadays) people can take it.

*Apropos to the topic, here's a line I love:
Confucius said:
If I hold up one corner of a problem and the student cannot come back to me with the other three, I will not attempt to instruct him again.
 
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Do you ever smoke cigars? They're worth it even if you keep it to special occasions (I no longer possess even a simple humidor).

If you or anyone else here does like'em, what kinda stick do you prefer?

I don't. I used to enjoy Dark and Lovlies, aka Black and Milds (don't laugh cause I know a cigar aficionado is offended at calling this a cigar) but I have never really had at a real cigar before. I enjoy the smell of them in a tobacco shop. I'd definitely be open to trying on on recommendation...err at a point in time when I have extra money...I am living on nickels and dimes these days.

Re: hand rolled

I tell ya, I stopped smoking prerolled in 2004ish and rolled my own until 2011 or so...Winding Vines is the one who got me into that habit....I tell ya what...smoking America Spirit, or even the cheaper stuff...we saved a FUCK TON of money..we bought the tin and it would last us a good month or longer. We even bought the little filters and I got very good at rolling them. Not only were the a lot cheaper, but it doesn't stink the way prerolls do. Even the American Spirit prerolled ones are not the same. I don't know why it makes a difference but if you don't want to move to ecigs definitely roll your own. Cheaper, cheaper, a lot cheaper, and it doesn't stink, you won't stink, and it is pretty cool looking....people still would stop me in the street to watch what I was doing...now this was in Boulder Colorado so it never bothered me. Point I am getting at is, it is way more sophisticated and cool looking to roll your own and don't ask me why but I am convinced it is a lot healthier. We lost our smoker's cough when we rolled our own.

True story.
 
mgs said:
aka Black and Milds

I'd call those cigarillos, and have been known to smoke them from time to time. As for what actually passes for cigar, anything machine rolled, or that cheapo cardboard shit, does not deserve the title.

mgs said:
I enjoy the smell of them in a tobacco shop. I'd definitely be open to trying on on recommendation...err at a point in time when I have extra money...I am living on nickels and dimes these days.

Hmm, if you're already used to smoking half-to-a-full pack a day cigarettes or equivalent, I think you can skip the mild bodied stuff (but if you wanna go there, Macanudo and Avo make decent stuff, but I'm not big on milder cigars, I want something with impact, or a full on punch in the gut). You'll have to experiment and find your desired flavor profile and strength; you can stay in the $6-8 range to start. Nicaruagan puros (that is to say, the wrapper, filler, and binder are all Nicaraguan tobacco) are my favorite, but they tend to be full bodied and pack a spicy zing that isn't for everyone. Try anything by Padrón as far as that goes, it was their 1926 series that got me into cigars. Off the top of my head, La Aurora, Romeo y Julieta, and 601 put out quality stuff. I like me some Rocky Patel and Humo Jaguar too. As far as popular stuff I don't like, but you might, CAO is pretty big, and I don't often go for Arturo Fuente or Gurkha due to their being overpriced IMO.

If you live or travel outside the US, the Castro regime keeps the quality of Cuban exports high. Had a Cohiba (not to be confused with the non-Cuban brand by the same title*, which is still good) smuggled into the country in a friend's extra shoes once, it was great. Robust yet creamy.

*When the commies took over, the families that owned the big cigar companies fled the country, taking their brand names with them, Castro doesn't give a shit about international copyright law, and kept the same names on the isle. For you non-Americans, don't solely patronize Cubans, it'd be like only drinking French wine, yeah they put out some of the best stuff out there, but they're not the best at everything.

Protips: the non-standard shaped cigars (torpedo, perfecto, pyramid, etc.) are more difficult to roll, and are thus made by more skilled rollers. So don't be afraid to shell out an extra couple bucks for one, it's often worth it. Also, you're bound to come across poorly constructed cigars (with a terrible draw, uneven burn, etc.) or one infested with tobacco beetles, sooner or later, even from a top brand. This will be infuriating. Wooden matches or a torch lighter are preferred for lighting; take no more than 2 puffs per minute, doing so will overheat your cigar and ruin the flavor, and leave you much more likely to get nicotine sickness; since you don't have a humidor, don't keep any wrapped cigars more than a week and half lest they dry out, or unwrapped for more than a few days; make sure you cut it right, i.e. don't chop off the entire head.
 
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I started on ecigs in 2011, went back to tobacco for most of 2013, mostly because I could bum them for free and I didn't have the funds for my fancy ecigar. It took me about a month to get used to ecigs but I think a lot of that was that I used Njoys which are really crappy. I think if I had this ecigar thing right away I would have gotten used to it much faster.

I started smoking this e-cig for stress-reduction purposes... I stopped smoking cigarettes when I was 18 although I have one at a party every so often. I find the nicotine buzz from e-cigs to be so much smilder... smoking tobacco makes me feel like ass.
 
I hope that Xorkoth also sticks around! <3

Anyway- I borrowed some of my dogs tramadol- he is old and has arthritis so we are given two huge bottles a month for him. He's pretty happy to be honest. But tramadol- doesn't feel remotely like an opiate/opioid. Just a sort of serotoninesque nervousness. Pointless really. But I am going to have my fortnightly dose of codeine, which will be in the realm of 800-1000mg with a late day redose. Should smooth it out.

I will. :) Likewise! I dream with you in it recently.

I agree about tramadol also. It's not very opiate-like although they do have cross-tolerance. The first time I ever tried tramadol I had an awesome experience, and one other time I did too, but every other time it was not very comfortable.
 
i have a friend IRL that recently had a seizure from medically prescribed tramadol

he has a past history of drug abuse that may have precipitated it, but he was taking it as prescribed

idk if i trust that stuff
 
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