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synthetix said:
no i know i went through a very rough ride for the past few weeks but i'm coming to a halt now. thank you for the concern though, i appreciate it. last night made me realise its not worth it. really really rough, strange and truly reached the peak of weird experiences I've ever encountered.
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On this note: please don't do your typical mega-dosing with the 5-meo-mipt. I won't say it will kill you, but at higher dosages the vasoconstriction will get VERY uncomfortable.

Once I took somewhere around 30-40mg in one night (I'd have to go look it up again), not all at once, but gradually redosing. By the end of it I was feeling weird pains in my chest, intense vasoconstriction-tightness in my arms and legs, and prickling/numbness in my fingers and toes. This effect continued for several days after dosing, though at a milder level.

Starting from when I first noticed it becoming a problem, I started taking vasodilators every few hours to minimize symptoms. I don't think my life was ever threatened, but I do think that at a 100mg single-dosage bolus, and especially if mixed with other drugs, you could be putting yourself in danger.
 
InterestingFACT said:
On this note: please don't do your typical mega-dosing with the 5-meo-mipt. I won't say it will kill you, but at higher dosages the vasoconstriction will get VERY uncomfortable.

Once I took somewhere around 30-40mg in one night (I'd have to go look it up again), not all at once, but gradually redosing. By the end of it I was feeling weird pains in my chest, intense vasoconstriction-tightness in my arms and legs, and prickling/numbness in my fingers and toes. This effect continued for several days after dosing, though at a milder level.

Starting from when I first noticed it becoming a problem, I started taking vasodilators every few hours to minimize symptoms. I don't think my life was ever threatened, but I do think that at a 100mg single-dosage bolus, and especially if mixed with other drugs, you could be putting yourself in danger.
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i've done the 5-meo-dipt before, literally 2-3mg snorted and noticed the MASSIVE heart rate increase almost to the point of heart attack... had to diazepam myself quickly. these ones i know to take seriously and carefully. won't be mega dosing at all and sticking to the usually - they're far more researched and i understand the consequences of even lower doses let alone higher.

thank you everyone for the concern and feed back i really appreciate it.

will definitely be back on reporting live for the lols or afterwards to trip report. always enjoy doing my psychs on blue light <3 just sometimes get a bit stupid. ah well.
 
^ That it does. :)

So I called up this girl a bit ago, asked her what she was up to this weekend. She said not sure right now, what do you have in mind? I suggested the waterfall, or dinner. Then she told me she's dealing with a lot of stuff right now and feeling really weird, and she's not sure if she's up for anything but sleeping. So I said, listen, if you don't want to hang out with me right now, you can just tell me, I'll be bummed but I'll understand. And she said she honestly doesn't know if she wants to or not. Then she said she'd like a drink because things have been crazy, and I asked if she meant with me or just in general (because it was very ambiguous), and she said I don't know that either. And she apologized and said she's sorry but she's just all over the place, really confused right now, and she said "who knows what I want? I sure don't". So I just left it at, "Well, I'm here if you need someone to talk to or spend time with... if you give me a call that will be great but I really do understand if you don't. And I hope you can sort things out and feel better."

I really don't think she's lying, or get the sense she is... I mean if she just plain didn't want to see me, I gave her an out. I think my initial intuition about it is right, that she is more hurt by her divorce than I am, and that her husband got back from active duty temporarily and it threw her for a loop. Probably there's other stuff too that I just don't know her well enough to know about. But I think she's conflicted because she does like me, and she isn't sure if she should do that or feel that way right now. I respect that. I actually feel better now because I realize it isn't me, it's life stuff. Of course I hope she calls me even if she just wants to have a drink and talk about stuff. But either way it puts my mind more at ease. It makes sense why she'd not feel distant and then suddenly feel distant. It just had me so confused because it happened without any communication and her energy towards me shifted dramatically from one day to the next. I didn't know how to respond externally or internally. Now I know that I should give her space and that she is confused and not sure how to go forward, not that I did something, or whatever.

So I guess it's still a "we'll see", but in a better way that I can deal with.

I still hope it can work out though.
 
Nice, pure 4-HO-DMT? I love that, one of my favorite psychedelics. It's very strong, very ego-crushing. Beautiful stuff, quite distinct from mushrooms but also quite similar (much more similar than 4-AcO-DMT). But like, more focused, crisper.
 
Xorkoth said:
Nice, pure 4-HO-DMT? I love that, one of my favorite psychedelics. It's very strong, very ego-crushing. Beautiful stuff, quite distinct from mushrooms but also quite similar (much more similar than 4-AcO-DMT). But like, more focused, crisper.
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Yep, pure psilocin. This will be my 3rd time trying it. The other two times weren't so great, but I think I underdosed both times as well. Hopefully this shows me what this substance is really about.
I don't know if I've ever tried 4-aco, but I have a lot of experience with 4-ho-met, and so far this has seemed pretty similar in terms of visuals, but the headspace seems to get deeper than on 4-ho-met.
The second time I tried Psilocin I actually fell asleep before the trip started, and I only woke up after the peak. I woke up and everything looked weird and it took me a minute to remember, and then my first thought was,"Fuck! I slept through the peak." lol
 
get ready brother, psilocin will take you away. i found that both psilocin and metocin were quite similar, but actually found the 4-ho-met headspace was a bit distorted and like you said not as deep though there were points of near insanity for me. (however i hyper dosed at 100mg), the psilocin i took easy at 20mg. let yourself go, let the drug take hold and remove yourself from any fears.

safe travels brother. let us know how the journey went.
 
synthetix said:
get ready brother, psilocin will take you away. i found that both psilocin and metocin were quite similar, but actually found the 4-ho-met headspace was a bit distorted and like you said not as deep though there were points of near insanity for me. (however i hyper dosed at 100mg), the psilocin i took easy at 20mg. let yourself go, let the drug take hold and remove yourself from any fears.

safe travels brother. let us know how the journey went.
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Thanks!
The highest I ever dosed on metocin was ~45mg. anything lower than 40mg I found to be more just eyecandy. Intense visuals, but not really tripping.
I'm ready for it. I haven't been smoking weed all week to prepare for tonight. My tolerance should be super low at this point lol.
 
yeah i pushed metocin to the absolute limits, got into some dangerous territory at points (mind wise). was a very intense trip, similar in comparison to taking about 10 blotters of acid or a very heavy dose of acid. more shroom like though mixed with elements of DMT.

psilocin will be fantastic then if you keep it to 20mg. i'm sure you'll have a fantastic evening :) what kind of setting you going to be in? I've also noticed it to be a bit sleepy making, but thats normally through the come up phase, just gotta ride it out and then things start getting fun and silly simon territory! its lack of dopamine release makes it a potent serotonin agonist mostly, along with norephendrine (at the higher spectrum of doses), which is why you get the snoozy feeling. much like me with aMT though aMT releases all three monoamines its highest binding is to the serrotonin molecule. ha. you going to be smoking weed with it?
 
also guys please could you help with the following:

ol my friend who is diagnosed bipolar I , C-PTSD and anxiety is about to smoke n,n,dmt....... suggestions for her?! kinda concerned

she's already been at MDMA x2tabs and amt @ 70mg yesterday....... she takes seroquel @ 800mg a day too, and estitalopram.

yesterday i think she suffered from serotonin syndrome, said her heart was beating out her chest, sweating profusely and broke down crying for help..

dangers? she's completely unprepared for the experience, hardly even knows what n,n,DMT does - taken a look at it looks 100% genuine product. tried to explain the experience etc. she will have a sitter i think, but she's doing it at a festival...
 
Yeah MDMA and SSRIs are dangerous to combine because of the high risk of serotonin syndrome. Add AMT and... it's even worse. She's lucky to be alive and unhospitalized.

DMT won't be dangerous like that, physically, but I would recommend against it since she doesn't even know what it is really. Plus she had a rough experience yesterday. I recommend educating this friend.

My ex smoked a light dose of DMT and was fine. She has a serious anxiety disorder and other emotional problems, and is a control freak. She smoked a larger dose of DMT once and flipped out, it was a terrible experience for her and afterwards, for months, she started to get weird... maybe or maybe not related but people with post traumatic stress, anxiety, and bipolar need to be SERIOUSLY careful with psychedelics. They've been used to help cure those things, but they can also make it much worse. And DMT is damn intense.
 
yeah i told her she's extremely lucky to be alive frankly. she also mixed beer into the equation. i think the valium and temazepam she takes saved her life quite frankly. she's in a mania phase i believe, and was on track to doing PCP instead. am somewhat more glad its DMT but still...

tried to talk her out of it, but she won't listen unfortunately. will have to wait and see what happens - but it can't be inherently physically dangerous no? tried to share some knowledge, took the advice against the PCP but turned to the DMT.

indeed n,n,DMT is in my opinion the strongest psychedelic out there... so... she even said she was going to "snort" it before i told her it wasn't going to work that way thats how uneducated she is. no scales either. i recommended at max a 5mg dose. hope she will be okay.

quite literally jumping head first into the deep end.... god I'm worried.
 
Xorkoth said:
Nice, pure 4-HO-DMT? I love that, one of my favorite psychedelics. It's very strong, very ego-crushing. Beautiful stuff, quite distinct from mushrooms but also quite similar (much more similar than 4-AcO-DMT). But like, more focused, crisper.
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And short! Unless you're Xorkoth and you find AcO quicker (weirdo).

20mg should have you well on your way, Tralen. Consider yourself lucky. 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (just makin' sure) doesn't pop up often given its status. As always, I recommend IMing it with ketamine in the same barrel.

Mr. (Ms.?) synthetix I think your reading is a little off. Always check the original source if you can (insert winky thing here)
Very high doses of psilocybin (25 mg/kg)increased levels of the norepinephrine metabolite 3H-normetanephrine (Stolk et al
. 1974), but it is unlikely that typical doses of psilocybin used in human research will affect norepinephrine
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HIGH end of the spectrum indeed (1.25g)!
 
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ah my bad, was under the impression that a high dose @ perhaps 100mg would drastically increase neph levels.

psilocin or psilocybin ?

EDIT: phew she's done it and is fine, speaking absolute nonsense but its part of the trip. said she went to "nirvana"

her trip:

I was in a soft and warm place like a womb. K could see colours and purple. But it was so warm and bright and cuddly. I saw a mountain of stars and the stars were coming close to me and they were sat on top of me. It was still very warm but then the colours started to fade and I could see myself standing on top of me being pushed down and then the colours started to fade and my chest started to pound and I felt like a new me.
I thought I saw Barney the dinosaur.
I couldn't communicate because the stars were overwhelming and beautiful. I thought I was a foetus being born

<3 magical
 
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Hah, nice. There's something about DMT and co. and birth, at least for me (and perhaps your friend).

Psilocin is 4-ho, and psilocybin is 4-PO (not found outside of legit studies I don't think 'cause it's a pain to make -- that's why 4-AcO-DMT was invented if I recall correctly: it's theoretically very similar to psilocybin and all around more convenient to deal with).
 
yeah my n,n,dmt trips have been extremely rejuvenating and birth like. very smooth and very magical. i however find them very hard to describe. they say DMT is released in huge amounts when we're born and die so makes some sort of sense to me.

ah right i see, thanks for that! :)
 
That "DMT released on death" thing is a really widespread piece of total speculation. The person who wrote it even said they were just guessing. There isn't scientific evidence of it. I hear people say it all the time, I used to say it too. I think it's entirely possible DMT is used (in very small amounts) for various functions in the brain though (melatonin and serotonin are tryptamines too after all).
 
I wonder why 2C-B was one of Shulgins favorites? Maybe because its so gentle..? Anyway had so nice night here with my childrood friend, actually my oldest friend. We've known for over 18 years. Drunk as fuck here yo
 
Xorkoth said:
That "DMT released on death" thing is a really widespread piece of total speculation. The person who wrote it even said they were just guessing. There isn't scientific evidence of it. I hear people say it all the time, I used to say it too. I think it's entirely possible DMT is used (in very small amounts) for various functions in the brain though (melatonin and serotonin are tryptamines too after all).
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I definitely thought the theory was plausible when I first heard it, especially since I was unaware of the origin. The wave of mysticism and pseudo-intellectualism/bro-science that Joe Rogan and DMT: The Spirit Molecule film spawned is annoying and potentially dangerous though.

It's funny that Rogan has become arguably more of a public figure for DMT and the death theory than even Strassman himself when all he did was perpetuate existing theories or just talk out of his ass. Yeah, DMT is cool and all and it's be great if we knew more about it, but spreading misinformation about psychedelics is only going to obfuscate the facts further.
 
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