I set myself a casual goal, then I got all panicked about it. Sympathetic nervous system is trying to push through my skin, feels like.
🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine
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Kaleida
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That's neat. I'd love to see a good zolpidem analogue on the market.
That whole psychedelic wave in retrospect was pretty obviously a huge fad, I wonder why it died off so hard? Maybe people just weren't buying them like they thought. Considering that it was mostly tryptamines, lysergamides, and amphetamines, maybe it was a bit much for most people.... I bet if it was all 2Cs they'd still be selling like hotcakes (if they were still allowed to sell that way anyway, which as we know they're unfortunately not in most places).
That shit was so cheap that I'm still sketched out about it to this day. I feel like there had to be something wrong with it.
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My favorite 2Cs are: 2C-E > 2C-C > 2C-P > 2C-I > 2C-B. I never got to push 2C-B as far as I would have liked, though.
2Cs are some of the only psychedelics I would take regularly if I could. They're more fun and easier to take than psychedelics of their caliber typically are.
2Cs are some of the only psychedelics I would take regularly if I could. They're more fun and easier to take than psychedelics of their caliber typically are.
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What up fairy boiz [relaxing glitch beat music]
What's yo favorite COLOR on dem fractalz man [reggae backbeat stabs enter]
I like ORANGE [ascension beam]
Anyone up for some red, brown and grey, gore and poo visuals? [Laugh track + clown brass fart]
Just kidding! I hope you didn't vomit and if you did i hope you vomited some good colors! Why not some ...Yeah i fucking said it. ORANGE [ascension beam + applause]
Anyway, seriously guys watch out for purple and black - those are pretty cool too. You know it's black when you see it i tell ya, ain't quite a thing as black. It reminds me of space. [Quality ambient soundtrack]
Gotta zap by. Stay changey [Superhero motif]
Here is my personal and fleeting opinion on what the order of the rainbow should be:
Black - white - orange - blue - red - yellow - purple - green
What's yo favorite COLOR on dem fractalz man [reggae backbeat stabs enter]
I like ORANGE [ascension beam]
Anyone up for some red, brown and grey, gore and poo visuals? [Laugh track + clown brass fart]
Just kidding! I hope you didn't vomit and if you did i hope you vomited some good colors! Why not some ...Yeah i fucking said it. ORANGE [ascension beam + applause]
Anyway, seriously guys watch out for purple and black - those are pretty cool too. You know it's black when you see it i tell ya, ain't quite a thing as black. It reminds me of space. [Quality ambient soundtrack]
Gotta zap by. Stay changey [Superhero motif]
Here is my personal and fleeting opinion on what the order of the rainbow should be:
Black - white - orange - blue - red - yellow - purple - green
perpetualdawn
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I really don't think you need to be scared of 2C-P. The only thing it is that massive duration, but the trip itself is very gentle and lovely I found - mind you I dosed it pretty carefully (liquid/volumetric) and only ever up to 5mg. I found it to be more easy going than 2C-E and definitely akin to it and 2C-D. The flavour actually felt pretty close to 2C-D to me, but obviously much stronger and longer lasting. If I could carve out the time I'd take it at 8-10mg next time.
Take it at a small dose and measure it volumetrically so you don't accidentally take too much and you'll be fine, especially since you say you liked 2C-E.
Speaking of alkylated 2C's, I couldn't find any info on 2C-Bu (butyl). I know they say "butyl is futile" but has this one been tested out? I must be a dud or extremely long-lasting.
Also thinking about 2C-DF - i bet that would be good, sort of half way between 2C-E and 2C-D. 2C-V looks really interesting.
edit: re 2C-Bu - according to a machine-translated bit from "Phenethylamine: Von der Struktur zur Funktion" (2013)
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Great suggestions! And yeah, I'll definitely volumetrically dose the 2C-P just as I do with 2C-E and most other things. The 2C-P still scares me though. Actually, 2C-E does too, especially after my 11 year abstinence. I'm not sure if my preferences will remain the same.
Over the period, I developed quite a lot of "body anxiety" as I recently learned to call it, owing in part to bad IBS+GERD which compelled me to strip my diet down to "known ok things" (albeit, determining what's ok is easier said than done and the dose makes the poison as usual). More recently I've been recovering from long COVID. So even when sober, if I feel anything strange at all, I tend to be alerted to it in order to study what's going on. I actually have a somewhat similar habit when it comes to auditory stimulus for completely different reasons I won't get into here.
So now I've worked up to 8 mg of 2C-E, and I felt that to be quite intense, even if technically it was only a "++" with threshold visuals. It definitely doesn't feel as "easy" as it used to at all. Maybe I'm just more in need of its therapeutic properties? Still, I felt relieved when it dropped off a lot at 8 hours. If it were 2C-P, I guess I'd probably have been spun for a few more hours still by that point.
A 2C-butyl sounds very interesting, but I doubt I will try it in this lifetime. What is 2C-DF? Is that with a 4-fluoromethyl? I thought 2C-EF (fluoroethyl) had been tried and is PIHKAL, but I don't know if I recall seeing anything about 2C-DF. And then there's 2C-V? So little time!
The other things I'm hoping to try are DOC and DOM, if my body can tolerate the long durations. I did try a tester dose (0.25 mg? don't recall) of DOC long ago, which was fun for deep cleaning the house, but I vaguely recall feeling a bit roughed up on the tail end and never got the time to explore it any further anyway.
wish you luck for your future endeavours, psychs are sometimes unnerving.
perpetualdawn
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Yeah if you're finding that you're relieved when 2C-E dropped off at 8hr, maybe 2C-P isn't the best choice right now. Unless you fancy a much lighter and longer trip - I remember 5mg feeling something like 6-8mg of 2C-E but a little less edgy and much longer lasting. At 18hr I noticed that colours were still saturated, but I had no problems sleeping (actually even had a nap in the middle of it too at about 6hrs in).
Yeah 2C-DF (I'm not even sure if it's been formally named by anyone with authority in the field) that I'm imagining would be the 4-fluoromethyl. I doubt that we'll see 2C-V in mortals hands in this lifetime, probably would need to be a chemist yourself to procure that one.
Yeah DOC and DOM sounds really great too - but long like 2C-P!
Roger&Me
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Hello Xorkoth and PD family 
pharmakos
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Whoa, Rog! Long time brother. -TNWHello Xorkoth and PD family
pharmakos
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I think a lot of people ended up stocking up what is basically a lifetime supply for a responsible user.
Delsyd
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Hey dude, welcome back.Hello Xorkoth and PD family
cosmic charlie
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Hello Xorkoth and PD family
My goodness, so great to see you my friend
How has life been treating yeah
If by "edgy" you mean pushy/stimmy, then that sounds good to me!
I was fine through the peak, but then between hours 5 and 8, roughly, I felt very strongly stimulated. In the old days, this was my favorite part of the trip and was typically very euphoric and entactogenic. I compared it to MDMA "except way stronger/better".
This time around, while I felt some transient euphoria I also felt insanely wired. I had this crazy twisty energy surging through me, and I felt like it couldn't "turn it off" at all. I tried lying down to chill out but my legs developed very strong shakes, so I spent these hours on my feet pacing and wiggling to some psytrance. I felt transient euphoria including some very pleasant whole body shivers, but I felt overdriven and had some mild anxiety about pushing my body too much. I do have some concern about toxicity from rhabdomyolysis given my age and possible risk factors.
To be clear, it didn't feel like a crisis, and I have diazepam if it comes to that. Mentally I was completely fine if a bit annoyed because I preferred to sit down and chill instead. Still it felt heavy for only 8 mg and a trip with threshold visuals that vanished after the peak. This kind of body energy seemed more like what I used to get with 18-20 mg, which would give me strong visuals and sometimes threaten or split my ego. I know 2C-E is a bit notorious for "body load", and so is one of my other old favorites, 2C-T-2. Meaning, my preferences could end up shifting quite a lot here as I start revisiting all this stuff.
Ahh yes, you understand how conflicted I am! If I get 3 hours of hyper-stimulation on 2C-E, will I get 5 hours on 2C-P? 12 hours on DOC? I actually *want* to trip for a long ass time and be able to enjoy it too. Who wouldn't? So I'll try to work up to the longer duration things. I may just need to relearn how to moderate and/or channel these energies better.
I do recall now. The younger me wasn't really a "natural" tripper. It could be because of introduction was a strong ayahuasca trip in an unfortunate setting that required me to walk a few miles while chilly, but in general I seemed to struggle a lot with "body energies" that most people hardly even talked about. As I had more trips, I got better at actually enjoying it. I had to actually *learn* to enjoy my trips. Maybe that's why I liked 2C-E so much---as many regard it to be BYOE (bring your own euphoria)---by the time I got around to it, I'd already learned how to have good trips.
With that in mind, perhaps I should revisit the phenethylamines that taught me the most about tripping blissfully: mescaline cactus and 2C-I. Mescaline felt very gentle and safe, particularly after the come up. 2C-I was even easier going, practically a party drug. The stimulation from it might be too much for me now, but I'll find out on titration. I think I might set aside 2C-E for now and try out some 2C-I. How nostalgic!
pharmakos
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Best thing for 2C-x/DOx body load is to take a walk or do some light aerobic (not calisthenic) exercises. The urge might be to curl up into a ball and wait it out, but that makes it worse.
perpetualdawn
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Yeah I agree @pharmakos often this kind of body energy needs to be utilized. I think that's why I find 2C-E to be such a fantastic raving drug .. there's an easy outlet with dancing. But going for a light run or a walk is really great too.
@iom I did find 2C-P to be more mellow and less pushy/stimmy than 2C-E, a little bit more towards mescaline (well, cactus) in that regard since you mentioned that. It's also less edgy in terms of thought - maybe less of that trippy mental edge that drugs like LSD and 2C-E can bring about, a little bit more warm and a touch of the empathogen facet. Keep in mind though that I'm speaking from a tiny handful of experiences and at 5mg max, so I'm sure there are other more experienced ppl to listen to. 2C-E I have had more times, so I feel like I know it pretty well, and 2C-P seems like a brother but like the more mellow and larger one.
@iom I did find 2C-P to be more mellow and less pushy/stimmy than 2C-E, a little bit more towards mescaline (well, cactus) in that regard since you mentioned that. It's also less edgy in terms of thought - maybe less of that trippy mental edge that drugs like LSD and 2C-E can bring about, a little bit more warm and a touch of the empathogen facet. Keep in mind though that I'm speaking from a tiny handful of experiences and at 5mg max, so I'm sure there are other more experienced ppl to listen to. 2C-E I have had more times, so I feel like I know it pretty well, and 2C-P seems like a brother but like the more mellow and larger one.
Roger&Me
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My goodness, so great to see you my friend
How has life been treating yeah
Good to be back. I missed you guys!
Life is good for me right now, but it’s had its ups and downs. Got into some trouble with some bad drugs and spent most of this past year at rehab and just trying to heal, but I’m feeling a lot better.
Specifically it was meth that really got its claws in me. Truly evil shit, like spiritual poison. I had used adderall for years and pretty much every other drug without much of a problem, but meth was something else entirely. I never want to touch that shit again tbh.
I’ve been wading back into psychedelics with a couple of mushroom trips, 5g in silent darkness. Both were really positive and healing experiences. Like other times before when I’ve lost my way in life, I think I’m trying to rewind back to a time when things made sense and trying to rediscover the mindset that I had then.
And for me, it was those years between 2006 and 2012 or so, when I was hanging out here a lot and spending my free time playing music and doing psychedelics, with a great sense of wonder about life and Being.
So thanks for the warm welcome back, fellas. It means a lot to me, and I hope you’ve all been well.
Roger&Me
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I also got around to doing some DOM that f&b gave me nearly two decades ago. What a gem! Truly a top psychedelic, it was so light and clean at 5mg, with deep and intensely rich colors and my appreciation of music was noticeably enhanced, but in a way that was both intellectual and heartfelt.
I walked most of the night through the city listening to music and puffing on a little THC vape, just breathing the air and it was so delicious and the lights of the city were just beaming. In a moment of synchronicity I was up on a hill and could see the whole city in the distance and all the skyscrapers downtown, and that Warren Zevon song came on with that line “the lights of the city stretch as far as the eye can see. Look what wonders man has made!”
Great stuff. It was a lot like synthetic mescaline, but cleaner and more transparent. The enhancement of colors was spectacular, with hues that I have never actually seen before and just a richness and depth to light and color which was like a visual symphony, and moved me to tears just in awe of the beauty around me.
I walked most of the night through the city listening to music and puffing on a little THC vape, just breathing the air and it was so delicious and the lights of the city were just beaming. In a moment of synchronicity I was up on a hill and could see the whole city in the distance and all the skyscrapers downtown, and that Warren Zevon song came on with that line “the lights of the city stretch as far as the eye can see. Look what wonders man has made!”
Great stuff. It was a lot like synthetic mescaline, but cleaner and more transparent. The enhancement of colors was spectacular, with hues that I have never actually seen before and just a richness and depth to light and color which was like a visual symphony, and moved me to tears just in awe of the beauty around me.
Thanks! That's essentially what I did this time. I was just surprised by the intensity of stimulation vs. dose and chronology. Maybe it's because of my age or health, or maybe it arises due my lack of psychological tolerance or muscle memory, or some thing else along those lines. I'm hoping that it'll get easier to handle with time.
Interesting! In my past, I don't recall 2C-E to be especially stimulating compared to other things. I felt like it was flexible, at least at lower doses. It gave me abundant energy if I wanted to dance for hours, but most of my trips with it were pretty chill. I think I felt LSD to be more stimulating.
For psy parties I tended to take LSD, cactus, or both. LSD and cactus mixed very nicely. My favorite was when I dropped some fairly strong (250 ish ug?) LSD at around 11:00 pm and had ego death while surrounded by crazy black light art and video animations. There was black light art of jungle scenes with people vomiting snakes into a river, and video of dancing people decaying into skeletons. I remember visiting the potties, not being able to recall my name, and being surrounded by a congregation of people who were laughing hysterically, trying to recall why they needed to visit the potties, where in the queue they were (what queue?), and whether they were still waiting to use the potty or were simply experiencing time in reverse. Every so often, a door would burst open, and someone would walk out stumbling and giggling. One person had to go in and out three times (with coaching from the crowd) before getting it done. Yeah, the acid going around was that good! At the crack of dawn about 5 hours later as my ego was just starting to reconstitute, I drank the cactus juice. It somehow tasted delicious, like some exotic juice with no hint of bitterness, and I got zero nausea or negative come-up feelings at all. As the sun rose, I just felt intense bliss building throughout my body. Dancing was effortless and almost involuntary, like I was floating gracefully in the wind. In the afternoon, I lounged for a few hours, drifting into a kind of restful waking dream state in which I got lost in the patterns formed by the trees above me. Then I got a second wind in the evening and had another good hard dance before turning in after dark. It was definitely one of my top overall experiences and the only time I danced for most of a 24 hour period.
Hmm. It's hard to compare these things apples-to-apples. Mentally speaking, I agree that mescaline feels gentler than 2C-E. It never really threatened my ego like 2C-E can. Physically though, I guess it depends on the kind of trip one wants. Both compounds can be very visual, but to get the strong mescaline visuals I need a dose that comes with some pretty strong body energy, perhaps more than an "equally" visual 2C-E dose. Here again, it's hard to compare visual intensity when the visuals are qualitatively so different. That being said, I enjoy mescaline for its special warm, undulating quality, a kind of low frequency oscillation, which the 2Cs seem to lack.
Anyway, I look forward to trying 2C-P, if and when I get to it. A more "mescaline-like" experience in a "clean" 2C package definitely appeals to me, but I have a lot of other (shorter acting) things I want to get re-acquainted with before I get around to trying it. Hopefully by then, I'll be a lot better at handling the body energies. I'm feeling optimistic today for sure and super excited to begin re-tasting other things.
Wow! You may not remember me since I wasn't very active in those days, but I too have just returned to psychedelics after an 11 years hiatus. This feels like synchronicity somehow. I can't imagine that many people return to psychedelics after so much time away. I strongly relate to your process of trying to rewind and rediscover an older mindset.
When I first came back to BL, I had forgotten about all my posts here. When I encountered one, it totally tripped me out. and then I ran a search for all my posts and found all kinds of bits and pieces of thread that helped me reconstruct many memories of wonderful times past.
I will say though that I'm a very different person today, physically and mentally, than I was then. That means I'm going through an integration process, trying on many "old behaviors" but making major adjustments too. Life won't ever be the same again, but we can still find lost treasures. I wish you very well on your future explorations and welcome back!
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Roger&Me
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With phenethylamines the relationship between stimulation and dose seems non-linear. Sometimes if I can’t “break through” to a psychedelic headspace the experience manifests as a restless energy, and actually taking more rather than less is the remedy for that. Then on the other end of the spectrum there’s the case where you just plain took too much. But in the middle there’s a sweet spot which varies from person to person but tends to be at the high end of the moderate dosage range or the low end of the strong dosage range, just from what I’ve observed in my experience and from tripping with people over the years.