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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

Omg my girlfriend lost the DOC what in the fuck.

But i have a bunch of DPT i forgot about.
Also BOD, BOHB and 5-CL-aMT as well.

And then some degraded looking DET.

Some DMT, 2C-B, 2C-E, 4-AcO-DMT, Acid and Mushrooms.

Not a terrible stash, but it needs work. Really upset about the DOC but what can i do.
 
(Gonna make another post below but it'll take some time to write)

yea but apparently that really hurts - but it's supposed to work better than ingesting - i haven't tried it yet because the boofing has been working so well

Don't ever try snorting any 2C-X chemical... it's horrific. It starts hurting pretty immediately but it builds in intensity and peaks around 10 minutes in, lasts for 20-30 minutes before it is all the way gone. It seriously feels like someone is taking a power drill to your sinuses, the level of pain is absurd, it pulses in waves with every heartbeat and totally ruins the start of the trip, IMO. Like all you can do is experience pain. It does make the trip WAY stronger, and more visual, but so does boofing. It actually comes up faster than boofing and probably makes it even a bit more potent by weight, but the transition is so abrupt, along with the pain, that I find it unpleasant/unsettling how quickly I go from 0 to 120mph. 0/10, would not repeat.

Boofing is perfect for a faster and more potent ROA. If you use enough water (ie, 3mL instead of 1mL), it causes no pain, and it comes up fast and is twice as potent, but smooth and comfortable.

I know you know the second part, that was for the benefit of anyone else reading. :)

Do any of you guys like drinking Matcha?

Ive become obsessed with it, prefer it iced. Make it in a protein shaker cup with one table spoon matcha powder and three spoons of cane sugar. Then i pour in super hot water i microwaved while i was putting the powder etc in the cup.

Than i shake the fuck out of it, burping the top once cuz pressure builds up than i add toasted coconut and almond milk till the cup is 2/3rds full and then fill the rest with ice cups. Shake it again vigorously and take a few huge gulps and then open it up and add more ice again cuz the earlier ice melted.

It taste so good, and is super healthy. Used to buy Matcha at Starbucks everyday but now that i make it at home i save alot of money, and its so convenient. I dont even drink coffee anymore at all. In the morning i just take a couple caffeine/l-theanine pills and drink this.

My girl drinks matcha sometimes, she loves it. She lived in Japan for a semester in college and discovered it there. I like it too, but I rarely consume tea of any sort these days.

Omg my girlfriend lost the DOC what in the fuck.

But i have a bunch of DPT i forgot about.
Also BOD, BOHB and 5-CL-aMT as well.

And then some degraded looking DET.

Some DMT, 2C-B, 2C-E, 4-AcO-DMT, Acid and Mushrooms.

Not a terrible stash, but it needs work. Really upset about the DOC but what can i do.

Damn, that sucks... but look at it this way: at least she didn't make you flush your whole stash!

(my ex did in case anyone here hasn't heard me tell that story like 50 times)
 
I know your ex doing that was completely fucked and my daughters mom made me do the same thing with my first collection like maybe 12yrs ago or so. And i had a bunch of cool stuff, forgot to mention in that little list i have a nice amount of regular aMT succinate also which is pretty epic. Probably gonna plug some of that really soon, early this week most likely.

She is gonna look more for the DOC tommorow i dont want her to give up it still might be somewhere. She thought she lost my O-PCE once and that turned up. Ive actually got my entire psych/disso collection on me now the only thing i dont have are all the benzos cuz that is just a terrible idea.

Havent used Dissos in 3 days and im gonna keep on going, it will be okay. The Mushroom trip today was lovely, ive got such a nice afterglow right now just feel like my soul has been cleansed. Love Tryptamines so much there is just something magical about them for sure.

Probably gonna plug some 2C-B next weekend im thinking tho, that will be euphoric as fuck. Ive got some from two batches and im gonna use the old one first cuz ive had it before and it was fantastic quality.
 
Hey guys, how are you all doing? Sorry for being scarce... life has been extremely busy and eventful, and I haven't been feeling like Bluelighting even when I have time recently. It occurred to me tonight that I hate it when people disappear who are usually really active, because I get scared something happened. So I wanted to check in.

(sorry, incoming novel, but I haven't shared any of this stuff with you guys yet)

NSFW:

Man, life has been a trip lately, a really intense one. You guys may remember that I went to a hormone doctor and found out I have (had, now) low testosterone, as well as low estrogen. It is likely due to many years of opiate abuse/addiction, opiates reduce testosterone production pretty severely in the short term when abused, and sometimes it doesn't fully correct. So I started taking twice weekly testosterone injections that were prescribed. After a month they upped my dose slightly. And the difference has been profound, I feel like I've come back to life. For several years I had had an increasingly low sex drive, general depressed mood, crankiness, low energy and motivation, and towards the end I was experiencing hot flashes and night sweats. I was also losing muscle mass, gaining some weight around the middle, and my muscles got tired so easily, plus my joints were hurting more.

Within a week of starting T, I found my whole mindset and mood changing back to what I recognized as my normal self. And it's steadily improved since then. I had no idea just how much it was affecting every facet of my life. My body is changing shape back to a leaner and more muscular form (and was doing so even before I started exercising again, it was crazy), my joints feel better (not perfect though, I am 40 after all, I guess), my sex drive is back (boy is it), and of course, best of all I feel so much happier and more alive, like some vital force had drained out of me and it's come back. I'm sure you guys also remember me talking at various times about my relationship... it was various factors, but it had gotten to where we just didn't really have sex anymore, I think it had been maybe 7 months since the last time, until recently. I was just fed up with her constant PTSD-induced anxiety and depression and stuff, because I felt she wasn't doing anything about it and just always telling herself that there was nothing she could do, it's too late, she's a victim, etc. That combined with her extreme fear of covid (still) and attempts to get me to stay home and inside for months at a time every winter since 2020, AND the virtual nonexistence of our sex life for the past few years, had me feeling.... not good about the relationship. I was resigned to either this being my fate, or leaving her, but I never stopped loving her and I didn't feel like I could abandon her on her hour of greatest need. I had virtually no romantic feelings about her anymore and it hurt, a lot.

After I started feeling better, we started having sex again, at least sometimes, and also when @arrall came to visit, I saw her old self come out for that weekend, and I remembered how fucking cool and badass she is, basically the person I fell in love with. She topped it off with a rescue in the wilderness of our tripping asses after we went river hiking and had to go off the path and I was having a hard time finding the way out of the dense woods. Oh actually I think I did post about that, I had a profound moment of realizing the part I had played in the way things had become, and I cried and apologized to her and made a resolution to be there again and make an effort.

Well, I also started seeing a therapist, and so did she; she's seeing two of them actually, one is doing some technique called, like, somatic experiencing, or something, and the other is a talk therapist, the same one I'm seeing actually, she was recommended by a friend because she's a family friend and specializes in trauma, and he thought she's be great for my girl, and in talking to her when I was setting that up for her, she suggested I might need help to navigate dealing with my situation, and I realized that yeah, I really do. Well the therapist has been great for me, really helpful. She's helping me to make goals and find the best ways to accomplish them, mostly about setting boundaries and communicating my needs and not holding stuff in, and recognizing when something is a thing I should be understanding about and work to accept, and when something she's doing is a thing I should confront her about and establish a boundary and tell her what I need from her. 3 weeks ago, she made some comment that made me feel insecure, about how there were people from her past that she probably shouldn't be around because they're hot and were good fucks back in the day (ironically, we were talking about how jealousy is immature and I brought it up in the first place by talking about how I had been telling my friends that it was ridiculous and controlling of them to tell their SOs that they're not allowed to have any contact with anyone they used to date :ROFLMAO: ). I legitimately don't have any problem with her being sexually active before me, that's absurd, the reason I got jealous/insecure is because I really want to have a healthy sex life again, and her sex drive is super low and has been for some time, but the way she said it, she had a glint in her eye and looked like she wished she could fuck those guys. So it made me feel rejected and insecure because it's like, what, are you not into me like that anymore? I would LOVE to be the guy you fuck right now!

Well, I was being moody and stuff for a couple of hours and finally she was like, you're mad aren't you? And I told her how I was feeling. She was really tired, it was shortly before bedtime for her, and I decided we had to talk this out. It ended up being extremely stressful for both of us, she was saying stuff that was not helping, but not communicating very well... I interpreted it as she was not attracted to me anymore and was bored with me (that's not what she was saying, but like I said, she was not communicating very well and also trying not to have a panic attack). I went to bed somewhat mollified but then I spent all night sitting there filled with really toxic jealousy and insecurity thought loops... I've never felt that way with her before, at all, I've always felt very safe and secure. I knew a lot of it was irrational but it was.... really bad. I got to where I was planning to shout at her and break up with her the next morning (tbh the only negative side effect I notice from testosterone is that I am more emotionally impulsive towards anger, possessiveness, jealousy, etc. I think it may be possible I need to slightly lower the dose, I'll find out in a month and a half when I get bloodwork, but also, the positive effects way outweigh it and I actually do need to be better at allowing myself to feel and express anger, because I'm a people pleaser and I'm also extremely good at not lashing out when I'm angry, so I've gone from suppressing the anger even to myself and convincing myself I'm not mad at someone who wrongs me, to feeling the anger and confronting them calmly but firmly by the time we actually talk... it's a win, I think).

Anyway the next morning I woke up still feeling those things. After an hour or so, she asked me what was wrong, and I just laid it out. I explained that I felt insecure and that she wanted other people but not me. I said obviously everyone is attracted to other people still when they're with someone, and I truly don't care if you have a dream about another guy, or think another guy is hot, or whatever, what I care about is whether you feel that for me or not, and I told her the things she said that I needed her to explain or clarify. And she did. Fortunately, the second conversation was much more productive and we both said things we needed to say. And the biggest thing I got from it was learning what she's going through, hormone-wise. She went to the hormone doctor too, and she has extremely low free testosterone, somewhat low total testosterone (but bound sex hormones don't work), very high estrogen, and very low progesterone. And, crucially, extremely high, off the charts almost, SHGB (sex hormone globulin binding protein, or something like that). Birth control pills cause SHGB to raise dramatically, and SHGB binds to sex hormones and renders them inactive. They basically fool womens' bodies into thinking they're already pregnant, hormonally, so that they can't get pregnant "again". This very often leads to a reduction or elimination of sex drive, in a sadly ironic twist. Generally it returns to normal within 3 months, but it's been 9 months for her and it hasn't. And a percentage of women report either a very long recovery time, or that they never recover. She explained the bitter irony of the situation.... years ago, she started getting really bad uterine and other abdominal pain, and it started to hurt to have sex, which is why our sex life dried up... it got so bad that she would be in pain, enough to cry at times, for 3 days after we had sex. But she still wanted to then, really bad. I mean before the birth control, and before the pain, she was insatiable, our sex life was amazing, and I loved it and I miss it so much, we had such a strong physical connection that is hard to even explain, it was profound (even outside of sex, just touch/body language/affection stuff in general).

Then she went on birth control after her gynecologist she went to see to help with the pain told her she likely has endometriosis (but it's hard to diagnose that), and that there was nothing to do about it except surgery or birth control. She resisted for months, and her doctor was pushing for it really hard and was like yeah I can't do anything for you unless you do birth control, come on try it for a year, if it doesn't work we can see if surgery will. She told her she was worried about the very side effects she ended up experiencing and the doctor said "they don't have any side effects, maybe a vanishingly small percentage of women get side effects, other than a slight chance of elevated stroke/blood clot risk". So she started on them. Within probably 2 months, her sex drive was gone and she was different, more apathetic. (And her boobs got filled out too and it was driving me crazy... lol :boobies::frustrated:) Then like 8 months in, her doctor was like okay, here are a number of things we can try. My gf was like wait, are you fucking serious right now?? Why wouldn't you offer this to me before?

Well, one of the things was physical therapy, so she did that first, and it turns out, her hip was misaligned. She did exercises to strengthen the pelvic floor muscles, and align her hip, and within 2 months the pain completely disappeared, and hasn't showed up again since. But yeah, absolutely no desire for sex. She went off birth control, and hoped that after 3 months, she'd feel back to normal. Well, nope. 9 moths later and here we are, very little change.

It's insane to me that you can look online and it's absolutely filled with stories about how birth control erases women's sex drives and reduces pleasure felt during it, reduces orgasm strength, and can even make the clitoris shrink by up to 25%, as well as research supporting this... yet the medical gynecology community, by and large, seems to be set on insisting that sort of thing is exceedingly rare. But like, increasing the level of the sex hormone binding protein and maing your body always have the hormones of a pregnant person is obviously quite likely to have serious repercussions. It seriously makes me upset to think about too much...

Anyway, I did not know that she was experiencing all of this, or I mean I knew the separate facts sort of, but I was pretty disengaged by then and it didn't sink in. But now it has. It's.... really upsetting honestly. I'm having a hard time with it, but us talking about it turned my frustration from her and feelings like she didn't want me, into anger at the state of women's health care in America and also a desire to help her fix it. The hormone place offered her very small testosterone injections along with progesterone, but she doesn't want to go that route unless her other options have been exhausted, which I can respect, especially since taking hormones is what started the problem. But she does want to try supplements and anything else. She just feels overwhelmed and has a hard time with starting and planning this kind of thing.

So I did a ton of research and came up with a list of supplements clinically proven to modulate sex hormones in the way that's needed (ie, lower estrogen, raise progesterone and testosterone, lower SHGB). I presented my case to her after she got back from work the next day (now that I have testosterone again, the sex life issue is becoming a lot more of a problem for me again, and I wanted to start doing something about it ASAP). She thought it was a good plan. part of the plan included making some time to start purposely creating intimacy again... touching, snuggling, kissing, etc. And whenever she feels up to it, trying, like, making snuggling, touching, etc. Basically some women were saying that it was like their bodies and minds just told themselves the story that they didn't enjoy sex anymore, but it had become sort of like just something they were scared of or associated unpleasantness with, and when they started giving it a try again with their husbands/partners who were understanding and supportive, they found they actually could enjoy it again, albeit not as much, and it helped them start to recover.

And I made a promise to myself that I would lay in bed and snuggle with her every night again... we don't sleep in the same bed anymore usually, reasons being many, but only one of them was me pulling away... it's also that I snore, that our sleep schedules are very different, and we both sleep better in our own beds. So that night I got in bed with her and we snuggled and before she went to sleep she told me "you know, the best time for me to feel horny is like mid-morning, a few hours after I wake up, you should wake up earlier and hang out with me". Well I know a hint when I see one :hehe::laughing:). The next morning I got up early (for me), we were feeling really connected after a nice morning, and started making out, and went to the bed, and it was actually really quite good, especially considering I wasn't sure if we were maybe just gonna naked snuggle or something and it was gonna kind of drive me nuts but I was certainly going to take what I could get and consider it progress, but she wanted to do the whole thing. She took a little while to get into it but I was enjoying getting her into it and just enjoying the intimacy. She was obviously into it and enjoyed it and got off, though she said it didn't hold a candle to how good that used to feel (the orgasm I mean). The rest of the day we were both in great moods, flirting, laughing with each other... I couldn't even remember the last time I had felt so light and at ease with her. Then the next day she surprised me and we did it again, and it was like, REALLY good, some of the best I can think of, ever, for me, I think partly because I appreciated it so much, but also there were like 4 positions and we both had a lot of fun.

It sounds shallow to me when I write it out, or like people will find it shallow, but sex is important for romantic relationships, it's really important. I found myself feeling almost like the beginning of a relationship feeling of overwhelming infatuation and love when I'd look at her, I wanted to be there for her, I found myself wanting to hang out with her and talk instead of, say, escaping to my computer to come here, or do work on the weekend because work is fulfilling to me these days, or whatever. I've been feeling so connected with her, it's amazing what sex can do, and what chronic lack of it can do as well.

But, the the next day I left with my band to play a series of shows across the state. When I got back, her mom had just come to visit and she's too self conscious to do it while her mom's in the house (and weirded out by it). We did some making out at night most of that week, but no sex, but best of all, she was so happy that week, it was amazing to see her partially revert to the person I fell in love with. I was getting myself psyched for the first day after her mom left, but the night before, she started PMSing. And her whole demeanor and vibe changed on a dime. I mean that always happens, but it's really thrown me for a loop. I started trying a little too hard to be touchy feely, because I was insecure. I had been given hope again - and not just for our sex life, but for her mental and physical health in general, because she was finally DOING something about her issues and not just wallowing in anxiety and inaction. The hope and the powerful and rapid return of the romance and connection is so new, having her not want to be touched and moody and stuff, and the change happening overnight, is making me feel insecure about it, like maybe this thing was a fluke, and she'll go back to thinking nothing will work and she's just screwed. So this was the third day of PMS, and she said some stuff that made me feel kind of upset, not at her, but about the situation. It's that she may have mis-timed the "dutch test" that she took the other day, which is a really in-depth appraisal of your sex hormone levels including metabolites, that you use to develop a really specific medication/supplement plan to recover. It has to be taken within a 2-3 day window after ovulation, but her cycle is irregular these days and she feels like she's getting her period tomorrow, and if she does, it will have been too late and she will have to do it next month, and she doesn't want to take anything until the test so she has an accurate picture of her hormone levels naturally. From there, I just couldn't get the frustration/regret from my mind... I regretted that I hadn't reminded her on the day she was going to take it so she took it the next day. I was frustrated to wait another month. Even though, if I think about it, this past month was really quite good when she wasn't PMSing, if that's the sort of month we have to wait through this next one, I'm okay with it!

She eventually said you're mad, aren't you? I said yeah, not at you though. And then I tried to explain my whole headspace and said a lot of what this insanely long post did. I am trying to be really honest and open with her. During that, I mentioned that the past 2 years have been really bad and that I felt almost no romantic connection then and was withdrawn and annoyed and sad and frustrated and felt like we had almost become platonic friends, and she was like.... wait, what? I had no idea you felt like that. I assumed she MUST have been able to feel that from me, but nope. She was shocked and terrified that I was about to tell her I wanted to break up, and started having a panic attack. I tried to hurry on to my point, which was that I was so happy and grateful to NOT feel that way anymore. But the damage had been done, she felt really hurt and insecure. I asked her if she felt anything like that and she said no, nothing like that at all. She felt rather distanced but still felt the same about me and just thought we were both going through hard times, but had never questioned the connection. :\

I ended up saving it and I hope, turned it into something positive that can strengthen us, basically I thought she knew that, but even if she didn't, I think it's important to not be totally unaware of a significant period in our relationship. I DO have a hard time in general when she become all negative and cynical and like "fuck everything" (which is what PMS is like for her), unrelated to this specific sex drive-related issue, because it's the core of why she has just wallowed in victimhood her whole life instead of working towards taking control of her life and it's THE issue in our relationship, for me... it's the only issue, really. The only one of importance that isn't something trivial that annoys me a little or whatever. There is some stuff still to talk about in that vein, but one thing at a time.

I tried to reassure her, but for a couple of hours she was very, very upset. Like saying she felt like a piece of trash and worthless and undesirable and a burden and stuff. I feel bad, I wouldn't have just casually brought that into the conversation if I had known she was totally oblivious to it. But by the time she went to bed, she wanted me to lay next to her and just lay there being next to each other without touching, but almost immediately she put her leg over mine and ended up holding my face with her hand/arm and she fell asleep. So I think it'll be okay. She really does get totally intense during PMS, she can slip into really bad headspaces at the drop of a hat. But we actually had quite a few good times today, as well. Unfortunately I mirror/feel peoples' emotions really strongly, moreso the closer we are. So I feel like I'm on a rollercoaster too, It's really fucking intense, and it's become much more intense in a way since we reconnected because now I'm no longer resigned to it sucking, I want to help her fix it and I DON'T want to lose it again. I don't think I could or would handle it and it would probably be the breaking point. What I need from her is for her to continue to work on herself, even if it's slow going, if I'm seeing progress I'm gonna be right there and help and love and support her. Today made me feel like maybe the progress is stopping for a minute, and it made me react pretty strongly. I know what I'm talking to my therapist about on Tuesday. :bananaslip:

Anyway, holy SHIT that was long, sorry. If you made it, kinda interested in any thoughts you might have.



(Actually now that I'm done, I'm gonna NSFW it because it's obnoxiously long)

But tl;dr: In summary, I am feeling truly alive again, my libido has come back strongly, I'm helping my girlfriend regain her sex drive after a useless 1.5 years of birth control was pused on her by her gyno to fix a problem with 3 days of pain after sex, but the birth control killed her sex drive and didn't help and the gyno basically refused to offer her any other options until she went on it, then after she'd been on it a little while she offered her physical therapy which 100% fixed the problem due to her hip having been misaligned, and now, 9 months later, her hormone levels are still very messed up. And I am struggling with dealing with a massively higher libido than her, just like I was years ago. So she wanted to have sex, but couldn't due to it hurting too much to enjoy, and now it doesn't hurt but she doesn't want it. Excuse me while I seethe with RRRRGGGHHH. :X Anyway, helping her get a handle on that, and other areas of her health. We've reconnected but it's been bumpy, too. But I'm feeling better about life than I have in quite a few years. Also work is wild, got promoted again and offered yet another promotion that I suggested actually be a different role than was offered, waiting on feedback about that. The band is picking up, too, we've been playing more shows and we're better than we've ever been with our new drummer.

In short, super busy with a lot on my plate, and it's hard to find the time for Buelight, but I think of this place often and I'm not intending on leaving or anything, it's just a time for BL to be on the sidelines instead of a focal point of my life. <3 At least for a little while.
 
see now...i don't miss all that @Xorkoth

the jealousy, the head not really thinking right - and it's all from too much testosterone

i made so many poor decisions from too much testosterone - im like a million times more logical with less and i don't give a fuck anymore

i haven't given a fuck about a girl in over 10 years and i couldn't be happier - it's a great way to be - for me anyway



but 2cb....idk how ppl could be out and about doing that stuff - i fall the fuck out - like i can only keep one eye open - there's so many similarities to other drugs that ive done - and it's those best parts of those all combined into 1 drug....and i sleep good after it too

i can't believe how amazing 2cb is - and it's all that with no hangover - and it only last 5 hours

it's perhaps the most perfect drug that ive ever done

i can't give it enough praise (true story)
 
see now...i don't miss all that @Xorkoth

the jealousy, the head not really thinking right - and it's all from too much testosterone

i made so many poor decisions from too much testosterone - im like a million times more logical with less and i don't give a fuck anymore

I'm not so into the juvenile emotions coming to the surface. But the benefits are so great for me. Maybe it was because of low test AND estrogen, but I was feeling like I was having menopause, honestly. Hot flashes, crabby, depressed, losing muscle mass and gaining belly fat, and my joints were hurting a lot more. I think I may need to lower the dose slightly, I was on 100mg per week at first and then they said there was a little room to go up if I wanted and I said yeah let's try that, and went to 140mg a week. The positives are more profound, but also, it has seemed to be more impactful every week as time goes on, anyway, so I may have overshot the mark slightly. I'm gonna wait to see though until I get my 3 month bloodwork because I'm enjoying my body growing muscle mass back really easily.

To be honest, it feels a lot like I remember the post-flood dose of ibogaine feelings, after the first couple of weeks passed and it stopped being outright psychoactive. I feel excited and motivated and confident, and like I can do whatever I want to do in life, which I haven't felt in years.

I could do with a little less sex on the brain though, probably, but I really didn't like being a 38-40 year old who wasn't having sex anymore. Sex is awesome, it's one of my favorite things. It made me sad to think that maybe I'd never have an exciting sex life again. If me and my girl can't work that part out, that would suck though. But she's made it clear to me before that she doesn't expect me to just be fucked (haha) if that were to end up being the case, and it wouldn't be a huge deal to her if I had a fling with someone else, as long as we talked about it first, she said she'd have to work through some jealous feelings probably but she doesn't really believe in monogamy as a concept (that was one of the things I mentioned that she said that made me feel insecure/angry until we talked about it - but I also think it's kinda weird, considering nobody stops being attracted to anyone else, and monogamy often produces boredom and even misery when it drags on too long).

I don't really want to do that though, I would much rather she get through her stuff and sort out her hormonal balance and reconnect with her sex drive, because, well, she's my favorite thus far. :) And for me sex is more about connection and pleasuring the other person, and so when you're in love with somebody, it makes it way better. But also we've talked multiple times about how we both are kinda sad that we haven't had more experiences (romantic and sexual) with more people. I mean I've only had 2 adult relationships (both super long-term) and a high school girlfriend. She's had 2 relationships also (including me) but a handful of random fun one-nighters with a few people as well. But not very many. We met each other when we were both trying to just casually date various people. In my case, she was the first one I hooked up with (I had a few other dates and was really into this one girl but I was too scared to make a move, lol. Whereas my girlfriend made the move on me).

If one day we decided that we could try seeing other people too, our relationship would evolve, for sure... not sure if that would be a good thing or not. But ultimately, we make a good team, she's a great roommate and partner (if her mental health were good I would be entirely happy with the situation). And we're so much a part of each others' lives, I'd be willing to try a lot of things first, rather than just go our separate ways.

I'm working through the challenges, trying to take it as an opportunity for personal growth. I'm just glad we're talking about this stuff, for the past 2 years while I was in "the dark times", it has just been a source of pain and frustration, and we weren't talking about it... it was a giant elephant in the room. That is what I can't deal with, not challenging situations, those I can take on. I just want to see evolution and progress happening, and it is right now, and I hope that continues.
 
A sexual arc of your life is a great time to learn something about yourself.

You might try something you've never done before. It might go against all traditional values you've been taught your whole life.

You might develop a kink. It might feel good.
 
Whew, that's a lot to reply to - you covered a lot of ground! But I feel ya. Hormones, long term relationships, differences in sex drive, embodied trauma, the importance of physicality in intimacy. It's more common than you know. I'm glad it's front and center and no longer lingering in the background.
 
A sexual arc of your life is a great time to learn something about yourself.

You might try something you've never done before. It might go against all traditional values you've been taught your whole life.

You might develop a kink. It might feel good.

She's made comments here and there about non-monogamy, an open relationship sort of thing. Actually she straight up asked me today what I would do if I was in an open relationship. I told her the truth, that part of me is upset I haven't had experiences with more people because I keep getting into long-term relationships. But I would have a really hard time with the thought of another guy being with her (not so much a girl though 🤔), and that I am not sure how that would go, but I'd be willing to try it if that was what we needed to do. Then I asked her if she was trying to tell me that's what she wants, and she said "no, I was just asking. Anyway I'm not in a place where I would even want to fuck anyone right now". So it's like... is she chickening out and she does want that? Is she hoping she can pass me off to another woman for sex and have the emotional/stability aspect and maybe sometimes sex (she gets jealous/possessive of me when I tell her about girls who come on to me or something, too, though)? Is she getting bored with just one person (which I understand, honestly, newness is exciting)? Hard to tell what she really means with this stuff. Usually she's straightforward with her thoughts and requests but I'm not sure how to take this one.

She's starting to take supplements for sex drive (or rather, hormonal balance), and today she agreed to an idea that was actually hers that she floated as something some other people did that she was reading posts from online, where there is a "sex date" every week, and you aim to do it then, at minimum, like don't force it, but give it an honest effort. I said it doesn't have to be a specific time or even a specific day if you don't feel comfortable with that - can the goal be once a week, at minimum? She was like ...okay... with her face in her pillow, so we'll see how that goes. It's puzzling to me because she told me today and the other day, too, that every time she does decide to have sex with me, she is like "this is weird" at first but then before long she's into it and has fun and is really glad we did it and feels closer to me and is in a better mood the rest of the day. But it's like, when she's not in that exact frame of mind, she can't see out of the lack of desire. I got kind of offended today and spent the rest of the day trying to deal with the emotions it brought up... I went to test drive a car, and when I got back, it was about 12:30pm (late morning to early afternoon is her best time energy wise), and she started feeling on my muscles and we started making out (not heavy, just like kisses and some caressing), and she was asking me if her boobs looked fuller, and showing them to me and being really sexy about it. Then when I asked her if she wanted to go to the bedroom, she was like um.... no. I just don't feel sexy right now. And then told me about how she didn't really want to any of the other times recently, but she was really glad we did once she got into it. But yeah, not feeling it, you should probably stop trying. And it brought up the whole history to me... I started thinking you know what, I don't ask much for myself. Everything I do in our home life is catered towards your needs, I cook (almost) every meal, I go to great lengths to eliminate anything that has a scent from the things I use, I do research for you on your medical issues because it makes you so anxious, etc... and you can't just try to see if you can get into something that you've said you always are glad happened and enjoyed, when you know how important this is to me and how much I'm struggling with it?

I didn't say any of that though, because I don't want to coerce or guilt her into it, nor do I want her to feel bad... but I also don't want to feel like it's like pulling teeth for her. I was ranging from mostly forgetting about it to quite upset about it all day. It prompted several conversations, including the one about a "sex date", as well as one where I tried to explain to her that it isn't about me getting off, it's about the connection. And I explained how the reason I'm so anxious about it is because we've been together 9 years, and only the first 3 had a healthy sex life as part of it. it went from voraciously healthy, to almost nothing by the end of year 4 because of her uterine pain. It was infrequent with long, sometimes very long breaks in between short bursts of a few times. She said "we've done it 4 times in 3 weeks though" and I was like yes, but also, we've done it 4 times in 7 and a half months. And that's what I'm afraid of, that this will be another one of those quick bursts in the midst of nothing. I told her that if we've recently fucked, then I'm all good, yeah maybe I'd like to do it again now or whatever in an ideal world, but it doesn't bother me, I'm satisfied. After a week or so though, it starts to make me get a little crazy and produces suffering. Once it hits a few weeks, I slowly start to lose the feeling of romantic connection, a little bit day by day

I dunno, I think she doesn't really get where I'm coming from and thinks I'm just being a testosterone-driven male or something. Which is true, I suppose, but that's biology. We didn't fight at all about it, it was just a series of conversations interspersed with stuff like going on a hike, going to a car dealership, etc. The re-introduction of testosterone in normal levels has made it difficult again. But it was difficult for years before my test dropped down to where I was hitting manopause. Then it was still painful, I just had virtually no sex drive so it wasn't difficult like it is now. Now I'm back, but I am prepared to try to actually push/pull her towards getting her mental and physical health in order. I had forgotten how awful chronic sexual frustration is though. :\ But I can't hold it against her, really. She's taking the steps we agreed on to try to address it. I just have a hard time understanding how it isn't bothering her more. I mean she cried about it when she found out that birth control didn't help and also long-term changed her hormones and killed her sex drive. So I know she cares, but I seem care a great deal more. Or maybe I'm just obsessing and my testosterone dose is a little too high and I'm being extra right now and making it worse... lol

I just miss how it was in the first 3 years... so.... so badly. It was profound, exciting, fun, natural, effortless. I don't need "damn what were we doing yesterday? We only had sex once, shame on us!" (or even close to that), I just want for it to not be loaded with baggage and tinted with frustration :( And I am really scared that it won't get better, or that she'll think herself into it not getting better.

Sorry... I should stop writing novels about myself. It's just been a hard day.
 
@Xorkoth

this is the way bro....if you don't have kids with somebody, this is how a relationship goes after some time - all of them - ya bang for a while in the beginning and then it starts to fade away....and you gotta move on - as sad as it is, that's the way it is - it's just how it goes....and 9 years is a long time - i did 7 with one girl and it was the same shit - sex went out the window after 3....and i would just cheat here and there after that (i was in my 20s still) she never found out, but i should've just moved on sooner

i don't mean to be negative, but im gonna tell you right now, there's no saving this - one of you is gonna have to shit or get off the pot
 
@Xorkoth I can only say that it shouldn't be that hard. But what do I know really, we're just about 3 years together but it's been so easy and amazing.

Actually we are just now moving in together in a few weeks so we will see how that will go. I haven't been living with any gf before. I'm a little bit nervous, but man it's been 3 years, we're done trips abroad together etc and it has always been amazing. She will move to my house at the end of this month. We have been living like one kilometre or 5 min walk away each other anyway. It has been pretty nice to have own places though, but now is good time to move together finally.
 
@Xorkoth

this is the way bro....if you don't have kids with somebody, this is how a relationship goes after some time - all of them - ya bang for a while in the beginning and then it starts to fade away....and you gotta move on - as sad as it is, that's the way it is - it's just how it goes....and 9 years is a long time - i did 7 with one girl and it was the same shit - sex went out the window after 3....and i would just cheat here and there after that (i was in my 20s still) she never found out, but i should've just moved on sooner

i don't mean to be negative, but im gonna tell you right now, there's no saving this - one of you is gonna have to shit or get off the pot


Thats truly an awful post Mr. Krinky.

Ive been in relationships that were highly sexual for many, many years. And the only reason they ended was because of my drug abuse dragging them down cuz lets be honest, im kind of wild. But the sex was never an issue, some woman stay freaky forever. My girl now is just constantly horny, its never enough for her.
 
@Xorkoth,
I'm not sure how I feel about open relationships right now. Had a six-year relationship in my 20's of which the last three were spent as an open relationship. We weren't banging everyone we met like some people think non-monogamous people behave, I think neither of us had a particularly strong sex drive, which I guess ironically is kinda why we decided to have that kind of relationship in the first place. I think we felt a little bit detached from sex which made it easier to experiment with our sex life I guess. Like fucking someone else wasn't such a big deal because sex wasn't such a big deal, our relationship had other kind of strengths. Spiritual complicity, emotional support and intelectual affinity felt more important than staying loyal to our bodies. So if we occasionally happened to spend the night with someone else, it was ok. But we weren't fooling around all the time, or actively seeking hooking out with other people, which I guess is what made it sustainable. For a while at least.

It worked fine until I eventually met someone else that I fell in love with. For most of our non-monogamous relationship, our little adventures here and there consisted exclusively of one-night stands, except for a period I spent alone in the US doing research in a lab we were collaborating with at the time. I had a brief romance with a girl I met over there, but because I was living apart from my ex, and the fact that I knew I was eventually leaving the US I guess made all three of us take the situation with some kind of lightheartedness and un-seriousness. I did like that girl a lot though, we met at a music venue and immediately clicked and had a lot of fun together. We also had amazing sex chemistry, something I hadn't felt since I first started dating my ex. Which kinda introduced some uncomfortable doubts at the back of my mind, which latter on turned to some realizations about things that weren't really working out in our relationship, but I kind of buried that under the rug for a while. I eventually went back home to Chile, and I think it was around eight months after I had returned, I met a girl that I couldn't help but fall in love with. It wasn't like the previous one-night experiences, I couldn't get enough of this new girl I had met, so I kinda started dating her while living with my ex. Admittedly it was a weird situation, but we had countless conversations about it as it was happening, and the three of us were ok with it for a while. But then my ex kinda changed feelings about it, and decided she had enough and wanted to change back to a monogamous relationship. The cat was already out the bag though. I realized I had fallen in love with this girl, and it wasn't so easy for me to give up that situation. It was a harsh time for sure, full of doubt, fear, anxiety and frustration. I moved out of the house we were living in, eventually split with my ex.

In retrospect, I can tell what tore us apart was not only the non-monogamy thing. We had a really beautiful relationship in many regards, but the experiences I was having made me realize I wasn't happy with a lot of stuff in our relationship. She had a severe depression, and I was always the one keeping things up for both of us. Then, during the last year of our relationship I was having a really rough time for unrelated reasons, and when I was feeling down, she couldn't take care of herself and much less give me the support I was needing, so we both were dragged down by depression in a never-ending vicious circle. Also, I guess if I'm completely honest, I guess our decision to "open" our relationship was in part motivated by latent and unspoken sexual frustration. Except for the first year of our relationship (But that's normal ... You are getting to know someone, you are all excited and horny, you have a lot more sex than latter on), her sex drive was really low because of her depression, which eventually ended affecting my own libido, but we tried to play it cool for the reasons above. I even thought I was asexual for a while, then we opened our relationship and I found out I was absolutely not. So yeah, in retrospective we started slowly drifting away from each other for reasons other than living non-monogamously, and we didn't pay enough attention to that until it was maybe too late, and probably falling in love with another person while in a relationship can happen even if you are exclusive with your partner, but I guess experimenting around with other people definitely made me more open to meeting other people and to the idea of having feelings for someone else, and probably I wouldn't have gotten so close to someone to the point of falling in love if I was monogamous at the time. Was it for the better, in the end? In my case, yes it did, I guess we would have broken up eventually for the other, unattended reasons already mentioned, at the end of our relationship we felt more like best friends that lived together rather than lovers, and me dating another person just exacerbated that. But of course having this little adventures here and there catalyzed the whole process.


So, non-monogamy, how do I feel about it? I don't know. All I can say, it's confusing, and I think I haven't heard of anyone who has had success in the long term with it. Most people I know that are polyamorous or non-monogamous also tend to enjoy time alone a lot ? I haven't meet someone having a long-term partner and living non monogamously while also living with them.


As for the girl I started dating while with my ex ... Well, everything was perfect with her since the very first moment. And I mean everything. We did the non-monogamy thing for a couple of years, mostly out of habit I guess, as we were both in that mindset when we met. But after a while I guess both of us kinda lost interest in meeting other people. Eventually we explicitly decided to commit only to each other. And since nine months, we are married now, lol. So peak monogamy I guess? Oh, and I completely disagree with @Mr. Krinkle on his last post, sex has been amazing for the whole (almost) seven years we've been together. I mean of course we are not doing it everytime we meet pulling all nighters regularly like on our first year together. Of course eventually you find other ways of connecting with your partner and getting enjoyement out of it and sharing love and care. But we still have sex regularly and enjoy it as much as the good old days, maybe more in some ways.


Oops, ended up writing my own novel. I'm sorry, didn't intend for this to be so long. But this is what I can say on the subject. I really hope you can find what works best for you, but if you feel your lack of sexual life and/or experience is frustrating you, I think it's only fair to yourself to do something about it. I don't think it is shallow or "testosterone driven" at all to wish for fulfillment in that aspect of your life, I guess wishing that is part of the human experience. I'm sure you will find the right answer eventually.



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I agree with @cosmic charlie and @Img_9999 that you can find the right person and have the most amazing sex for years and years. I think I've been extremely lucky to have found the love of my life and perfect physical chemistry. We are almost 20 years together now, married for 14 and we've known each other for over 25. It kind of blows me away that after all this time that we're still having incredible sex. Like still, 20 years later, best sex compared to all my previous relationships, easily. At this point it's less frequent than I'd like and much less frequent than when we first came together, but it's as good - maybe better because you know so well how to work each other's bodies and what she's into and not into, how to dance together so to speak. And I'll definitely take quality over quantity.

Man I hope I can say this without coming off like bragging but it's the kind of thing I can't really share irl so I hope it's ok here. My wife is an easy 10. Everyone loves her, and she has hordes of admirers. She's not vain and she has this completely natural beauty, she just walks around with a halo. In some ways I think it has played into her psychology without her realizing it, maybe more so because she doesn't have to put the effort in like you see a lot of women do. She goes around life with an advantage by unintentionally exuding a charm on everyone around her. People just gravitate to her. So the downside of that is that she is completely accustomed to getting her way, which can be tricky to navigate lol.

I won't lie that our relationship is perfect - there are bumps and conflicts and all that, and we have had rocky times where things maybe almost didn't work out, but I feel so lucky to have the woman of my dreams as my wife.

I guess @Mr. Krinkle qualified his statement with "if you don't have kids with somebody" and I have to admit that we have 2 and that might play into this long term relationship working mostly well.

I'm not sure about open relationships. I think a lot of time it's a cover for BS, but sometimes it's a necessary step for couples or individuals. We're definitely not in an open relationship although we had a brief period where we played with it for a bit, and it caused a lot of turmoil in our relationship. Obviously it really complicates things, but that doesn't mean it's always wrong.

Congrats on your marriage @Img_9999 !

When we got married we handed out small doses of mdma for the party I super recommend it for anyone reading this planning a wedding haha
 
Thats truly an awful post Mr. Krinky.

Ive been in relationships that were highly sexual for many, many years. And the only reason they ended was because of my drug abuse dragging them down cuz lets be honest, im kind of wild. But the sex was never an issue, some woman stay freaky forever. My girl now is just constantly horny, its never enough for her.

Ok... You can call it awful all ya want... But it's really just the awful truth

I'm 51 years old and I've been around the block a few times and I can tell ya all about it

Nothing lasts forever
 
As for the girl I started dating while with my ex ... Well, everything was perfect with her since the very first moment. And I mean everything. We did the non-monogamy thing for a couple of years, mostly out of habit I guess, as we were both in that mindset when we met. But after a while I guess both of us kinda lost interest in meeting other people. Eventually we explicitly decided to commit only to each other. And since nine months, we are married now, lol. So peak monogamy I guess? Oh, and I completely disagree with @Mr. Krinkle on his last post, sex has been amazing for the whole (almost) seven years we've been together. I mean of course we are not doing it everytime we meet pulling all nighters regularly like on our first year together. Of course eventually you find other ways of connecting with your partner and getting enjoyement out of it and sharing love and care. But we still have sex regularly and enjoy it as much as the good old days, maybe more in some ways.


you found somebody that it still works with - and that's rare - but it's good you found it

but if it's not working now, and hasn't been working for years, tell me how it's supposed to work in the future?

that's why im saying, it's time to move on


some ppl don't like to hear the truth - but that's the truth
 
unless you get married and have kids with somebody, 9 times out of 10, a relationship will run it's course

and by running it's course, that's always what i tell somebody when they ask me how come i broke up with a certain girl i dated - i simply state "it ran it's course"


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