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🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 PD Social Thread 2022-2025 v. Year of the Phenethylamine

Whenever I come back around here, charlie gets me on a YouTube podcast binge. Thanks for posting them.

Just finished this one with a mostly deaf, and somewhat disgraced chemist that mentioned IT-290? a 24-26 hr trip, maybe an unfamiliar code for something that we are more familiar with at least by name? He was disappointed that he could only extract it as black crystals.


Also watched an interesting one (Hamilton Morris again) interviewing Robert oberlander of David Nichols's lab, who was also was disgraced by his actions and asked to leave the lab - for getting too high accidentally on pyr-Tryptamine I believe - and wandering around naked. Seems like that is one of the biggest dangers of some drugs :)
 
aMT for me lasts like 16-18hrs in a large enough dose, so i usually take it first thing in the morning. Plug like 70mgs and lay around for awhile and wait for the fun to begin, its so euphoric like incredible smile so much your face hurts kinda stuff. Just wanna talk to everyone and tell them how much i love um, such a good drug ❤️
 
As others have said, IT-290 is AMT, that was the old code used for it when it was being researched/was first discovered. The duration listed is a bit long, but if you took a massive dose, it could conceivably last that long. I tend to experience longer durations than most, and even for me, AMT is like an 18 hours thing, max. But I never take more than 50-60mg equivalent of the freebase (so like 70-80mg of the succinate salt).

AMT becomes a full MAOI at around 150mg and since it is also a releaser of all 3 monoamines, that makes it very dangerous to take at that level or higher. Megadosing is not recommended.
 
In the spirit of conversation, I'll just ask here instead of a quick search or cracking open TiHKAL: was IT-290 also used briefly as an antidepressant in Russia?
 
Yep, that's right. It was discontinued due to too many people complaining about feeling weird and such. AET was also tried, but was discontinued due to an unacceptably high incidence of heart problems. That was not found with AMT, to my knowledge, it was more that people felt high and a lot of people get uncomfortable from psychedelics. I believe the daily dose was 5mg.
 
do you guys listen to music on DMT?

I was thinking of trying out maok on DMT. First trip in a long time though ill prob play some ambient like nada or ott then future trips explore more.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
do you guys listen to music on DMT?
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I never really do. I did once with a light 12 mg dusting. I get the feeling DMT takes you so far out that you have to listen to the music from those spheres. For me it does not seem to be the same as listening to music on acid or mushrooms. But it may, I just have not tried enough. Oddly enough when I broke through on Salvia my first time I had music on and made all the notes have their own story and personality. Weirdest thing. But nowadays Salvia gets a pitch black quiet room for a setting and DMT gets filtered light ala DM Turner.

Glad you are still around TZ. Stop trying to solve your life. :) You only have to live it. (from Emmanuels Book) The heart already knows what the mind tries to scramble and make sense of. None of us have a full grasp of what the hell we are doing on Earth. None of us know what tomorrow brings. It is a game of Faith. One foot in front of the other. Pay no attention to others unless they uplift you. I totally get it though as I get very discouraged too on things I should just let go.
 
I agree with that... spending so much time trying to figure out what is real and who you should be can be counterproductive and lead to suffering. "Enlightenment" isn't something you can find and hang on to. You can have moments of it, but ultimately, life is about living it. Engaging with the world, engaging with others, always learning new things an pursuing activities and goals that inspire you. The road to happiness and contentment is not through drugs, it's through dedicating your energy and time to things that make you feel fulfilled and inspired, and forming close relationships with people with whom you mutually raise each other up. Ironically, psychedelics are a big part of what led me to that realization. But now that I have it, I don't need them to live this way. I definitely still use them sometimes, but more just for fun, or to enhance my appreciation of things, or for creativity when writing or playing music. I already know who I am, and I found out who I am by engaging with the world

I'm not saying you shouldn't do DMT... DMT is great. But let me put it this way... the first time you have a breakthrough experience, it is life-changing, special, beautiful, and incredibly worthwhile and positive. The 200th time you break apart your ego, you're just chasing your tail. You're not finding out new things, you're hiding away from actually applying what you already know and building a life for yourself, by escaping into a temporary feeling of "oh my god I figured it all out". At some point it can become delusion.

I don't believe in the old adage that "once you get the message, hang up the phone". I plan to use psychedelics for the rest of my life. But I do think that continually trying to shatter your ego over and over again is not necessarily conducive to a happy and fulfilling life. Regardless of what is really going on behind the scenes, for the time being, you keep waking up as TripSitterNZ, and I keep waking up as Xorkoth. I think it's important to embrace that and try to explore life to the fullest as this incarnation we find ourselves in. The best thing we can do in this life is to get involved in things we love, and bring light to the people we touch. The only way to do that is to jump into life head first and live it to the fullest, day by day.

By all means, do DMT, and enjoy it. But you don't always have to be looking for answers. You already know, you just have to put in the work to make your life happen the way you want it to.
 
Ah the Merry Pranksters. I still laugh at that Tom Wolf book The Electric Koolaid Acid Test. Mountain girl has a funny story about Tom Wolf coming out to their digs to getinterviews and they were doing tie dyes, painting things all different colors in day glow. And Tom Wolf showed up in an all white suit.. They all smiled at each other.

Anyone know what Ditran (the bummer) was for the Pranksters? I remember !T-290 as AMT but not sure what Ditran was.
 
im just lost about the next phase foward of my life the biggest trip i had in 2022 was 75 ug of acid and some edibles alongside with some k holes. Was a very quiet year for drugs last year.

i aint doing the dmt to find enlightenment. Im doing it this time to ask the universe what are my next steps to plan, to weigh up my options and to seek some healing cause i fell off the train and nearly died on opiates a class of drugs I never do.

Reason i wont do acid or anything is cause now i don't have much time for that.

Whatever awaits in the DMT space ill apply to the next phase my life will take
 
TripSitterNZ said:
Im doing it this time to ask the universe what are my next steps to plan, to weigh up my options and to seek some healing cause i fell off the train and nearly died on opiates a class of drugs I never do.
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The next step is one foot in front of the other. That is all I can say for me at least. I'll go forward being myself, tuning into things that don't drag me down. Xorkoth typed up some great stuff.

And you did not die from whatever opiate situation you were in so that means settle in, still more life to live. :)

Your presence is a gift TZ. You are pretty hard on yourself. I personally think your next step is to cut yourself some slack. Life is fucking hard that's for sure. It is harder if we come down on ourselves.

One last Emmanuel quote (I was telling CT I pulled out my Emmanuel books after 20 years and keep them by the toilet). Your presence is required in this world. Not your costuming. Be present with everyone you are with. That is the gift.
 
JackARoe said:
One last Emmanuel quote (I was telling CT I pulled out my Emmanuel books after 20 years and keep them by the toilet). Your presence is required in this world. Not your costuming. Be present with everyone you are with. That is the gift.
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what's the Emmanuel book? I like that quote.
 
Freeotrope said:
what's the Emmanuel book? I like that quote.
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The first book is called Emmanuel’s book, a manual for living comfortably in the cosmos. Easy to Google. All three books were worth it in my opinion.
 
So by this point I have a nice little collection of trip toys.. my sister’s dog got me this little Aurora Projector Lamp for m b day.. it’s pretty kind. I don’t know if you guys have have checked one of these out? I’m pretty much sober right now and staring at what it’s reflecting off and your mind makes it 3D.. I can’t wait to try this thing out with something super visual. Speakers junk.
 
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i never had to store my dmt cause i never could get much of it in the past.

But im wondering if some dessicant packs in a ziplock bag in a room in a vitamin jar inside a glass jar in the dark will be okay for long term storage say 6 + months
 
Just put it in amber vial, and keep it in the dark. Even out of the freezer at roomtemp i dont see DMT degrading anytime soon like that. Personally the only drug i have ever had start to degrade on me were AL-LAD blotters back in the day and the blotters visually changed color, but were still effective. If they were weaker i couldnt really tell.

Ive had DMT kept in stash box for well over a year in a vial and it worked just the same. Im not even concerned about the batch i have now in the slightest, its just hidden in the bottom of a dresser right now in a vial placed in ziplock with the rest of my chems...
 
neversickanymore said:
So by this point I have a nice little collection of trip toys.. my sister’s dog got me this little Aurora Projector Lamp for m b day.. it’s pretty kind. I don’t know if you guys have have checked one of these out? I’m pretty much sober right now and staring at what it’s reflecting off and your mind makes it 3D.. I can’t wait to try this thing out with something super visual. Speakers junk.
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Damn, that's so cool. Now I want one.

TripSitterNZ said:
i never had to store my dmt cause i never could get much of it in the past.

But im wondering if some dessicant packs in a ziplock bag in a room in a vitamin jar inside a glass jar in the dark will be okay for long term storage say 6 + months
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DMT actually seems pretty stable, especially compared to other base tryptamine freebases. I have a bunch that I have in a sealed jar in my closet and it's fine, still light yellow. I am surprised because I figured it would turn orage. I do have a dessicant packet in there. Not even sure it's necessary though.

I also have some in the freezer with a dessicant packet, for long-term storage. If you do that, just make sure you let it come to room temperature before opening the vial when you take it out.
 
Cross posted in the 2cd thread, but it's driving me a bit crazy. Why is it called 2cd and not 2cm? I feel like I've read the reason before in PiHKAL, but I can't find it anywhere. Checked both the 2cd and the DOM (not DOD) entries and nothing. Under BOD, I found the description of why BOB is not called BOMB, but that's as close as I got.
He even referred to BOD, 2CD and DOM as "all of these D-compounds"
But what the hell is D?!
 
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