☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: Somatic Swirly Sepia Summer Sausage Stage Set Suppository

[Solipsis]

Well I talked about it sometimes back then while I was happening, but mostly didn't try to call attention to it. However when I came back in 2014 it's about all I talked about, and then took ibogaine for it and got off, I'm surprised you don't remember. But yeah it was really bad, I had been taking kratom every day for 7 years and then directly from that, poppy tea every day for 3 years, with a brief 2 week period of heroin too. I wanted to die every day, it was horrible, I felt like a shell of a human being. During the experience I wrote about, it was a shortly after an ibogaine flood dose, the dust had settled, I felt really good, I was starting to work out very regularly. But it wasn't long since the addiction.

Ah but I do remember... the ibogaine experience vividly as it was both quite impressive and you recounted it in much detail... also now that you mention it, the poppy tea you spoke of frequently and that I did forget. Heroin I never knew. Snorted then I guess, I never heard you IV anything ever.
It just seemed like weird to not know well enough about it when I realized it had been ten years.

About 'the one', a few things on my view on it: It can be wonderful to just entertain and not curb the intoxication of love, and good love can wash right over that discrimination between a good match and a very good match since the less immediate concerns there are the more oblivious you are because of your love.
What isn't good IMO is the romantic fairytales that mostly young women seem to tell themselves maybe as an extension of the general princess fairytales, this can lead such a life of its own and become unrealistic that it can clash with expectations and apparently suffer similar serious issues as general perfectionism. Over-idealization I guess.
And yeah if you are head over heels it can all be fine, but when you start making heavy decisions based on your belief that 'she is the One' like having her move in after 2 weeks... then it is definitely one of those times to cool your head like Xorkoth suggests, because of how utterly counterproductive it can be and also honestly not that necessary to be so hasty about it all... though if you are both on cloud 9 then it's normal to wanna encourage each other in building it up and cooling your head for a minute when moving in (for example) is on the table can be... spellbreaking, at least from that perspective. It's a little manic-like maybe? So, just like with 3-MeO... just keep it hypomanic and you should be fine. Enjoy

 

[Xorkoth]

how is everyone?

Hey dude! Long time no see! I was starting to worry about you. I'm good, how about you?

 

[xammy]

I'm so thankful about all the advice from you guys! I love posting here regularly.

 

[pharmakos]

i'm doing okay. health is still up in the air with a lot of question marks, but they should get answered soon. got all my hair back and whatnot.

ended up not getting enrolled back in school for the fall semester, since my health is still up in the air. that's got me pretty bummed.

things have been going well with the girlfriend (same one that i mentioned the drama with earlier this year). she made some life changes that have made things a lot less stressful for both of us. been spending a lot of time with her. she doesn't really approve of drug use (despite smoking weed and cigarettes all day 8)), which is part of the reason i haven't been around very much.

about to scoop up some kratom. got a bunch on a fire sale. too bad the government is banning it.

supposedly the new head of the DEA (got appointed last year) used to work for a pharmaceutical company that is going to soon release a synthetic mitragynine derivative as a new type of prescription painkiller. funny timing on the ban coming now...

 

[Bagseed]

yo tnw, how are you? how is your health and all. (should've refreshed the page before posting)

I am stressed out because of a physical chemistry exam I have on thursday. let's see how that works out, lol

 

[Xorkoth]

supposedly the new head of the DEA (got appointed last year) used to work for a pharmaceutical company that is going to soon release a synthetic mitragynine derivative as a new type of prescription painkiller. funny timing on the ban coming now...

Damn that figures.

Glad things are going well with your girl.

 

[Solipsis]

That's very dubious... not sure if there is sound reasoning that a prescription mitragynine analogue would fill in the demand for kratom. The whole appeal is the availability and legality IMO, otherwise there are other drugs to compete with.

It's a great thing when you are neglecting your finances and using drugs and then when you check your balance after a while covering your eyes you see a pretty healthy amount indeed! That encourages me to buy about 10 decent clusters of a highly pupping peyote-like loph variant at a very sweet price (at about 2 bucks a piece at over 2 inch diameters!!), and also to carefully go ahead with plans for a growhouse for my plants. I can't manage them indoors as is and would very much like to make like a shelving cabinet with two aquarium/terrarium like spaces, one with an arid desert like climate and the other rather a humid climate but both heated...

Good going with your gf pharmakos, hypocricy or not it's not unhealthy to veer away from drug use and drug forum use, although it's nice if people close to the community check in once in a while.

I'm not really ready to do a whole lot of socializing or relationship hunting or even casual hookups but that may change as I get out of the terrible place depression, drug use and quitting pregabaline had sent me.

 

[perpetualdawn]

I always wanted to try doing this:

NSFW:

(peyote grafted on pereskiopsis)

Never got around to it though.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

how is everyone?

Woke up at 4am with a suicide headache but it's finally easing off. Going to meet up with a friend tonight and watch the debates. Not good but could be worse.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

In my experience xammy, over-zealousness about a relationship that has just started can push people away. Then again, my girlfriend thinks I'm too affectionate even now after many years, so maybe it's just me hah.

I had a weird dream the other night, it basically encompassed the vast majority of my insecurities and worries in life in one long chain of scenes that would continue even after waking up for a few minutes... It was strange and to be quite frank disturbing, and it really left me asking myself a lot of questions that I didn't want to answer.

 

[xammy]

In my experience xammy, over-zealousness about a relationship that has just started can push people away. Then again, my girlfriend thinks I'm too affectionate even now after many years, so maybe it's just me hah.

I had a weird dream the other night, it basically encompassed the vast majority of my insecurities and worries in life in one long chain of scenes that would continue even after waking up for a few minutes... It was strange and to be quite frank disturbing, and it really left me asking myself a lot of questions that I didn't want to answer.

It goes both ways, I don't feel I'm any more zealous than her. But you're right

And I'm writing here a lot of stuff because I just have to let it all out somewhere.

 

[Solipsis]

Semi recent cartoon:

 

[psy997]

Haaaaa good one Solipsis


I'm struggling with mid-day apathy after a super intensely productive and positive morning. But on the up side.... I just got tickets to see Eric Idle and John Cleese perform together a few weeks, wahoo! :D

 

[Xorkoth]

Haha, that cracks me up Soli.

 

[Img_9999]

supposedly the new head of the DEA (got appointed last year) used to work for a pharmaceutical company that is going to soon release a synthetic mitragynine derivative as a new type of prescription painkiller. funny timing on the ban coming now...

What ?! Are you sure about this ? This is completely outrageous, don't you have laws in the US against that sort of thing ?? That's just blatant corruption. Fuck, this makes me even angrier about the Kratom banning.

BTW, nice seeing you again, Pharmakos

 

[pharmakos]

https://m.reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/52ik2a/if_you_want_a_real_story_about_howwhy_kratom_is/

So in a nutshell... Chuck Rosenberg (Head of the DEA) just very recently used work for Hogan & Hartson which lobby's for the pharmaceutical industry. Hogan & Hartson's big Pharma client list includes Johnson & Johnson, PhRMA and Glaxo Wellcome. The Janssen Pharmaceutical company (Division of J&J) is in the process of creating a synesthetic version of Kratom. The principal scientist for PZM21 (Henry Lin) works for Janssen Pharmaceuticals and also received a pre-doctoral fellowship from the PhRMA foundation.. which again are both clients of Hogan & Hartson, which the head of the DEA Chuck Rosenberg recently used to work for.

 

[TheAppleCore]

first the drugs wear off
then the drug induced perceptions wear off
then reality sets in

Who's to say that your drug-induced perception is less "real" than your sober perception?

If you're using drugs properly (i.e. as medicine for the mind and/or body), they can help you understand.

Indeed we were wondering was it the drugs

Today confirmed it wasn't

God how madly I love her

I'm happy for your new relationship, but I have to be honest with you, I don't think you can say that you're madly in love with someone before knowing them for at least a year or thereabout. IMO, the more accurate way to phrase it would be that you have a mad crush on her.

how is everyone?

I don't even know how to answer that question anymore. Even if I'm sad or angry, it feels ridiculous to say that I'm not doing well. It's all a game. Whether I'm conscious of it or not, I'm chillin'.

 

[SKL]

Who's to say that your drug-induced perception is less "real" than your sober perception?

If you're using drugs properly (i.e. as medicine for the mind and/or body), they can help you understand.

Quite an optimistic perspective. Yes, drugs can facilitate insight but it's pretty rare in casual use. Snapping out briefly from the baseline reality can provide new perspectives; but it's also pretty apt to bring about delusion, mania, exaggeration; this universal feeling that a good solid psychedelic experience tends to give you my, "as it was in the beginning my, is now and ever shall be, world without end," to borrow from liturgy, this realization that you're in this moment, things have always been a certain way, but now you see it anew, everything is everything, etc, etc.

That's what psychedelics do (just as aspirin helps with headaches, it's their raison d'être and fundamental pharmacological action.) They hit what I like to call the "salience receptor" in the brain/mind. This is why they are useful and this is why they are dangerous, too. It's easy for the "salience receptor" to misfire and therein lies the path to delusion.

As far SLR stuff goes, I've more than once done drugs with a woman and felt a deep connection that would up not being there, really, although the feeling of connection may persist well after the person sobers up. This winds up ending in tears all too often because either it's only one party who really feels that deep about it or both do and while they had a deep connection on drugs they really aren't that compatible IRL.

Having been attached to a few different drug scenes ice had my share of psychedelic one night stands and it feels utterly cosmic but ultimately it's just a one night stand with the salience receptor on full blast. I could tell you story upon story about these and some of them are pretty amusing, like the one where almost got stabbed by a jealous lover when caught in flagrente, or the cuter story I linked to above, or the time … well, it doesn't matter.

I'm not saying this is xammy's situation as it doesn't sound like a one night stand type situation. But hooking up with someone under the influence of psychedelics is definitely a different sort of thing than doing so when drunk or on coke or whatever. This can be for good or for ill.

I am pretty much, from personal experience, convinced that sharing drug experiences, especially MDMA, but psychedelics too, early in a relationship of to start a relationship is dangerous as you can easily get tangled up in overheightened salience and unrealistic expectations, etc.

Again, this is speaking generally about some things that I've learned can be troublesome during my long career with drugs; hopefully everything works out for the best for xammy.

I'm happy for your new relationship, but I have to be honest with you, I don't think you can say that you're madly in love with someone before knowing them for at least a year or thereabout. IMO, the more accurate way to phrase it would be that you have a mad crush on her.

Very much this. Tossing around words like love early in a relationship is an easy way to scare someone off, but also is an indicator that you should step back a minute and examine things, including the effect of
drugs and the tendency to get into this manic and excited state.

What you're experiencing now is properly termed limerence, and it is an exciting and wonderful feeling to be embarking on a new relationship and exploring and getting to know the other person. The thing about limerence though is that it's a stage (the wiki is worth a read if you're interested); you come down to earth and then the work of really establishing and keeping a relationship going and growing and healthy, which is indeed work—hard work! Dunno how old you are but especially young love transitioning into something else And if you two have a shared interest in drugs it's healthy I think for a lot of that work to be done sober despite impulses to the contrary.

 

[TheAppleCore]

They hit what I like to call the "salience receptor" in the brain/mind.

I never thought about the psychedelic experience in those terms, but that does seem pretty consistent with my personal experience. The way I would describe it is that everything that I perceive while tripping somehow seems more important, without necessarily having a reason to be.

Things are important relative to one another. It's relatively important to have a roof over your head and food on the table, as opposed to upgrading to an iPhone 7. But psychedelics don't seem to affect the balance of relative importance -- they seem to scale everything equally. Tripping is kind of like temporarily becoming the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk -- you're huge, but you live in a huge castle, and cook your meals in a huge pot, so it all amounts to the same thing in the end.

Except, perhaps the heightened significance of things causes you to stop and examine them, when you would have otherwise ignored them or taken them for granted?

 

[xammy]

SKL: After my first love I haven't felt like this and it's been almost a decade. I want to believe this is love, I thought I could never feel like this again. I've read about limerence too a few years ago when I was still loving my first love. This all could be over just as soon it started but there is no way I'm going to lose this opportunity. I'm not saying things like I love you to her because I know all of this, love is such a big word and I would never use it for vain. Anyway thank you for your insight, youre a wise man.