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I want so bad to chime in in the discussion, but a recent unfortunate happening between my laptop and water prevents me from doing so.

Im currently writing from the ridicule screen of my newly acquired "smartphone", a typing modality to which Im not accustomed and so far feels really unsatisfactory, so I rather wait until having the laptop issue solved to further elaborate my comments on the subjecy. It was just a tiny bit of water !! How come things as expensive as this are however so fragile? Ugh.

I'll just say that I'm surprised to actually see myself agreeing in almost all that you said. We identify the same enemies, more or less, and I will admit here that given the time, I would rather see "your" world take over the political becoming horizon than have the homogenising, dulling, and pernicious influence of global democracy spread any further.


In the end our political differences are rooted in moral grounds, I guess.

Political dispute is inevitable and never ending, that's one of the reasons why I distrust the traditionalist and conservative ideology... Believing that one single moment of history is "complete" in any form, and therefore worth defending per se, is ignoring history and nature.

Like you, Im also waiting for chaos, partly because society in its current forms saddens me, and yeah, "extremists" ( the word itself is like a form of intelectual exclusion I guess) will always feel entrapped in a society that had managed to keep everything in the middle grounds of minimum conflict with status quo. So I resonate with your comment about the "easy way out" of turning our backs to formal political platforms. But also because I see chaos, ontologically, as the only open gate to change, and I do believe in the necessity of constant change. Society is not a contract but an experiment. A thrilling one at that, maybe nature's most complex and fascinating product.

 

[Noodle]

This is the United States of Corporate interests.

That people think their vote even matters is kind of a joke.

This is more an oligarchy run by a secretive elite than any kind of Democracy! in my opinion.

 

[SKL]

At this stage a military coup might be our best option, the only problem being that the higher echelons of the military are tied up in corporate interests as well, which is why it would have to be done at the level of the colonels, but our military is to large, diffuse, and organizationally complex for this to be practicable (no doubt some of the redundancies and complexities are priced in for this very reason.) Anyway, if I woke up to tanks in the streets and curfew, I'd be cheering them on. A lot of these guys have seen the New World Order agenda up close and personal and if they haven't embraced it are none too happy with it, not to mention the widespread disillusionment with their mistreatment when they came home (a resentment which, after World War I, gave large motivation to the formation of the various Freikorps.) I'm quite sure they'd have a good number of the right people up against the wall in no time. Of course, this is fantasy. By the way, Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook (Luttwak, 1968) is an excellent, informative and amusing if somewhat dated read, despite being written by a rather wicked man (it's available in full text online somewhere) and is also perhaps the only political science textbook to have inspired a feature film (with Peter O'Toole!)

 

[pharmakos]

i honestly believe that at this point, the only way a military coup could happen is if the powers that be let it happen.

 

[SKL]

in third world countries, very much so; almost all military coups happen(ed) at the instigation, or at least with the permission of, the US or USSR (now the new Russia is getting in the game)—here, there's no one to "permit" the coup, except the shady powers behind our government which own the higher echelons of the military (along with everything else) making a coup unnecessary, hence my dream of a colonel's coup here, but it's very likely an impossible one I think it's one of the few things, barring widespread disaster, that can probably get us out of our current "pickle." A significant part of me wishes to emigrate, probably either to Eastern Europe (home to a good portion of my ancestors who came here fleeing the carnage of the first Great War) or some part of the "third world" (Southwest Asia (I did love Sri Lanka) or one of the more Eless-tourist oriented and possibly more Europeanized Latin American countriest, probably) somewhere where I can feel like I can unplug and live a "realer" life. I'm good enough with languages I could probably pick the necessary one up.

 

[pharmakos]

here, there's no one to "permit" the coup, except the shady powers behind our government which own the higher echelons of the military (along with everything else)

those are the ones i was alluding to =/

 

[SKL]

… and how'd we get there? when you start to look at history unmoored from the prejudices you get from high school civics and hollywood movies, there's a lot you start to think about … did the right side really prevail the "Civil War" (or whatever term you prefer?) Did the Anglosphere really chose the lesser of the two evils presented to them in the Second Great War? I tend to have contrarian answers to both, and envision a better world if things wound up accordingly. Perhaps this even goes all the way back to American Revolution. Who knows? It's a fruitless exercise but an interesting and occasionally enlightening game to play inside your head.

 

[pharmakos]

you guys ever see this picture?

that is Evelyn de Rothschild, member of one of the richest families in the world, and rumored to be one of "men behind the curtain"... poking Prince Charles (of the British royal family) in the chest.

copypasta from reddit on that photo:

There are very strict an longstanding issues of etiquette when interacting in person with the Royal Family - and the paramount rule is NO TOUCHING - a rule that some folks have learned the hard way:


LeBron James learns royal protocol: Don't touch them

At the NBA game Monday night in Brooklyn, James either forgot, ignored or was never told about a top rule of meeting with royals: Don't touch them.

But he did. Horrors.

During their grip-and-grin picture op at the game, James wrapped his arm around Kate's back, producing a surprised reaction judging from the pictures and the video. Which of course the British media rushed to put online.

Michelle Obama Partially Embraces Queen, Brits Go a Bit Mad

Meeting the Queen is a complicated thing. You have to curtsy, you can't extend a hand before she extends hers, you can't pick up food before she does, and you definitely, most certainly, never, ever are allowed to attempt to hug or kiss her. Which is why it caused quite the hilarious stir yesterday across the pond when Her Royal Highness half-embraced Michelle Obama. Nearly the entire nation simultaneously snarfed their English Breakfast. And then, the unthinkable happened: Michelle hugged her back.

Of course, such clumsy gaffes from "uncultured Yanks" such as LeBron James and Michelle Obama can be written off - attributed to their innocent ignorance of British protocol.

However, the same CAN NOT be said for Evelyn de Rothschild - himself a British Lord, born in Britain into one of the wealthiest and most politically powerful families on Earth, he was groomed and tutored in all manners of etiquette, and, having interacted with the Royal Family on countless occasions, is no doubt keenly aware of the strict taboos utterly forbidding uninvited physical contact of ANY kind, ESPECIALLY something as aggressive and demeaning as a "finger-jab" to the chest.

There is only one reason that Rothschild would make such a bold and brash public display of contemptuous disrespect, and that is to cow the Prince into submission while asserting his dominance as "Alpha Male" of the British Empire.

 

[SKL]

However, the same CAN NOT be said for Evelyn de Rothschild - himself a British Lord, born in Britain into one of the wealthiest and most politically powerful families on Earth, he was groomed and tutored in all manners of etiquette, and, having interacted with the Royal Family on countless occasions, is no doubt keenly aware of the strict taboos utterly forbidding uninvited physical contact of ANY kind, ESPECIALLY something as aggressive and demeaning as a "finger-jab" to the chest.

There is only one reason that Rothschild would make such a bold and brash public display of contemptuous disrespect, and that is to cow the Prince into submission while asserting his dominance as "Alpha Male" of the British Empire.

Very, very telling. These people think of themselves as above countries, empires, and everything else. National borders are of no import (except, of course, Eretz Yisrael), only the movement of capital. And this goes back century upon century. The Rothschilds ("Red-shields") built their fortune speculating on war and the empty treasuries of kings who wished to wage it—this was a very common role for the Jews in medieval society, who, while maintaining an outsider status, could circumvent the Church's strictures against usury, and thus provide valuable capital (albeit at an exacting price) to nobility, nonetheless were at more or less continual risk for reprisals against their usurious excesses or attacks out of simple antipathy towards their race and faith. However, the Rothschilds managed to capture enough money and power (one might imagine through debt and blackmail) over a great deal of Europe such that they could escape this, and exert their influence going forward for centuries. A powerful, strange and almost inconceivably wicked bunch of people.

 

[altitudes]

I don't find it to be as powerful an image as it's made out to be. If it's not completely taken out of context, then what - it's a symbolic gesture over a symbolic figurehead?

If he was doing it to someone like Putin, then maybe it would be more interesting.

The fact that anyone still pays any attention to the "royal family" at all is inane.

 

[SKL]

I don't find it to be as powerful an image as it's made out to be. If it's not completely taken out of context, then what - it's a symbolic gesture over a symbolic figurehead?

It's a sign that Lord Rothschild thinks himself above HRH^* the Prince of Wales, within their shared culture, it is very significant, and don't think for a moment this was a moment between friends taken out of context. I would not go so far as to say it was an "overt statement of dominance by the NWO telegraphed to the public," etc. as the conspiracy theorists might have it, but I would say it is an extremely significant moment caught in a photograph. Note the body language in play. This is no small thing.

If he was doing it to someone like Putin, then maybe it would be more interesting.

It would indeed. Putin has apparently criticized the Rothschilds, and paid off some of Russia's debt to them, although I struggle to find what I would term precisely a credible source for the latter assertion. The conspiracy-mongers, of course, will one connect Putin with the Rothschilds while the other celebrate him for breaking their yoke. Either way, he is not beholden to them as are the British, but rather represents an alternative and perhaps even ascendant axis of power; Putin and Rothschild being (at least on friendly terms) in the same room is unlikely, let alone Rothschild having the nerve to even appear to attempt to outman the Russian Russian President, let alone in his own country.

The fact that anyone still pays any attention to the "royal family" at all is inane.

Are you a Brit? Many Brits of course hold this opinion, it's just a rather different statement if made by one versus by an American or other resident of a nation without a monarchy, even a figurehead one, although our non-negligible Australian contingent, at least those of whom who are old enough or politically aware/historically literate enough to know of the events of 1975, will be able to testify that the Queen is hardly politically toothless.

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^* Despite my Catholic religion (as a convert from a secular and nominally Protestant upbringing) and considerably less than pure British ancestry (I'd reckon it at ¼, the balance being primarily South Slavic, both Serb and Croat, and then Italian), and my disagreement in large with most of the politics of the U.K. in the last century, I find myself at least a bit of an Anglophile, at least in cultural and literary terms.

 

[altitudes]

I don't have an interest in spending too much time on this, but the context of that picture would seem to be exaggerated.

A quick google search, or even reading that entire reddit thread, brings into question how strict the "NO TOUCHING"(I can use all caps too) policy towards the royals is. It seems that this is something exaggerated by British tabloids to do what tabloids generally do - rake shit. Someone in that thread even posted plenty of other pictures of people touching the royals, which of course was rationalized and dismissed by people that would rather believe that this photo is direct proof of the Rothschild's power over the world's governments.

I think it was even mentioned and sourced that the prince has a higher net worth than Evelyn Rothschild. Not overly relevant when it comes to ascertaining the power of the Rothschild's entire family, but an interesting insight that deflates the poignancy of this even further.

I just think that the importance and the conspiratorial fervor surrounding this picture is questionable. Pictures can be misleading, and when you have 1000 eyes just intelligent enough to construct intent and circumstance, things become even more misleading.

And honestly, even if this picture was exactly what it was made out to be, Evelyn Rothschild's disdain for the over-stated no touching policy and all, well fuck, then good for him. I'm glad there's someone powerful enough to poke this royal twat in the chest and say, "You're ridiculous family has no power over me." Haha, shit.

The fact that a developed nation still fucks with any charades of monarchy is ridiculous. How much time did the US spend covering the "royal wedding"? It's fucking insane.

Society in general is so absurd it's no wonder that our governments are just as absurd. Why wouldn't they be?

 

[pharmakos]

All the examples that I saw of other people touching Prince Charles were friendly in nature and/or done by people that, unlike Evelyn, would quite possibly be unaware of the taboo.

 

[altitudes]

All the examples that I saw of other people touching Prince Charles were friendly in nature and/or done by people that, unlike Evelyn, would quite possibly be unaware of the taboo.

"which of course was rationalized and dismissed by people that would rather believe that this photo is direct proof of the Rothschild's power over the world's governments."

and

“There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.” https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family (^I guess this quote changed from the source I originally found it.)

I'm not saying the world isn't ruled by the rich. Of course it is, but is that really fucking news?

I just don't find any attachment to politics or conspiracy to be an overly reasonable use of time at this point.

 

[altitudes]

On a lighter note - and speaking of reasonable uses of time (ha) - supposedly a local arcade has some Japanese games now, including Sound Voltex, that look like a shit ton of fun.



Not much of a gamer, but would love to give it a try, haha. Would probably be expensive to get good enough to truly enjoy it though.

 

[SKL]

I think it was even mentioned and sourced that the prince has a higher net worth than Evelyn Rothschild. Not overly relevant when it comes to ascertaining the power of the Rothschild's entire family, but an interesting insight that deflates the poignancy of this even further.

Banking in general, which is the occupation of the Rothschild's, is a whole lot more than net worth. The British crown and royalty certainly have substantial liquid assets, but the Rothschilds, and in general bankers (Goldman-Sachs, et al., the common ground here needs no mention; what powerful banks are not Jewish are, in fact, largely either Swiss, Dutch, or Anglo-American, but you will find a surprising degree of Jewish influence in each), by virtue of the fractional reserve, and, developed therefrom centuries beyond, various exotic derivatives of the kind which nearly brought brimstone to the tinderbox of the world economy only eight years ago, have no need to regard net worth, but only leverage, a concept which you may remember from very elementary physics taught at the grade school level—anyone who rides a (mechanical) bicycle is at least intuitively familiar with the concept of mechanical advantage:

The multiplication of interest and more exotic forms of economic instruments upon debt are analogous, with the "power" achieved, and the work delegated by, the banker to the productive sectors of society. The banker is essentially a parasite who lives on the "mechanical advantage" or "leverage" granted by these economic disparaties, although iin his apologia and at his best he is a "market maker," allowing trade between individuals who might not be otherwise able to do so (albeit with a premium to his advantage.) This is how the Rothschilds and their ilk, and the malignant "vampire squid" of modern firms like Goldman–Sachs, make their money, essentialy as rentiers on capital itself; this makes comparison in "net worth" meaningless.

I just think that the importance and the conspiratorial fervor surrounding this picture is questionable. Pictures can be misleading, and when you have 1000 eyes just intelligent enough to construct intent and circumstance, things become even more misleading.

You will have conspiritorialists claiming that the Queen is a reptile, they are rather a different breed; but based on the social mores of this segment of the population of Britain (you've not yet told me if you are British, or something else, you don't have to if you don't want to, I respect your anonymity, but I do think it would help inform us a bit regarding your opinions), something very wrong is going on here. This Rothschild may be a Lord, but he is so by dent of his riches, he is not of royal blood. He has no business making such a gesture of disrespect towards the Prince of Wales. Even if you think that these ranks are a load of bullshit, he, as a member of the House of Lords and part of that particular political-cultural milieu, had ought not disregard it, save for his, perhaps unconscious, desire to telegraph his supremacy or aspirations thereto. Probably the mass dissemination of this photo was not intended, but I've no doubt that HRH the Prince would have interpreted this gesture as anything resembling a social greeting that falls within the normative bounds for the occasion.

And honestly, even if this picture was exactly what it was made out to be, Evelyn Rothschild's disdain for the over-stated no touching policy and all, well fuck, then good for him. I'm glad there's someone powerful enough to poke this royal twat in the chest and say, "You're ridiculous family has no power over me." Haha, shit.

If you find the Rothschilds less threatening than the British Royal Family, I don't really know what to say.

The fact that a developed nation still fucks with any charades of monarchy is ridiculous. How much time did the US spend covering the "royal wedding"? It's fucking insane.

Tradition is important, and is by and large something we lack or have abandoned in the U.S. (again, I don't know where your from and don't demand that we tell me), but, by and large, our abandonment of such tradition as the alignment of significant agricultural seasons with High Church liturgy, folk religion, even, stateside, patriotism in general, a "civic piety," or religion, venerating our political forebears and their contributions to our formation as a nation. We have as a society in the name of criticism, revisionism, 'divergent' perspectives on history (racialist, feminist, etc.) and similar, cut ourselves adrift from tradition, to our great detriment. I envy the U.K. in that they retain a widespread respect, deference, or even the acknowledgement of the importance of the thousand-year history of thier Monarchy, even if show in the grossest form of irreverence, parody and slander as in the tabloids—which nonetheless realize that, even it it's criticism and parody ("WOMAN HAS BABY"), tradition has importance. As Chesterton said, tradition is "the democracy of the dead." Our ancestors deserve a seat at the table.

 

[altitudes]

I have no interest in unraveling that mess of pedantry to be honest.

I already said that net worth was "Not overly relevant when it comes to ascertaining the power of the Rothschild's entire family", and you go on to overly explain a point I already made, right down to the mechanics of interest. I think you're more interested in displaying your intelligence and learning than anything else.

No, I am not British. And no, I don't find the Rothchilds less threating than the royal family. I'm not overly concerned with either at this point in my life.

And honestly, I don't find the idea of a small group ruling from the shadows any more frightening than a true majority rule by the citizenry.

 

[SKL]

I have no interest in unraveling that mess of pedantry to be honest.

I already said that net worth was "Not overly relevant when it comes to ascertaining the power of the Rothschild's entire family", and you go on to overly explain a point I already made, right down to the mechanics of interest. I think you're more interested in displaying your intelligence and learning than anything else.

I think I missed that part of your post; if so, apologies. I don't really care about displaying my learning or intelligence here, but keep in mind that my post is not just targeted as a reprisal to yours, but to a more general audience (inasmuch as /pd/ can be considered a 'general audience,' but one that I think is worth making a few points to.)

No, I am not British. And no, I don't find the Rothchilds less threating than the royal family. I'm not overly concerned with either at this point in my life.

Macroeconomically and politically speaking, that would be a grave mistake, although, taken along with the kind of retreat from politics that Xorkoth expresses based on hedonic principles ("thinking about the evil in the world makes me sad, therefore I will think upon the good in my small social circles"), then, concern for monarchy or plutocracy ought to be far from your mind, but yet you post seemingly on their relative virtues?

And honestly, I don't find the idea of a small group ruling from the shadows any more frightening than a true majority rule by the citizenry.

We're aggressively turning over the same page here—the (perhaps unpleasant) truth is that these two options, seemingly in dichotomy, are one and the same in the modern liberal democracy.

 

[TheAppleCore]

that is Evelyn de Rothschild, member of one of the richest families in the world, and rumored to be one of "men behind the curtain"... poking Prince Charles (of the British royal family) in the chest.

I would like nothing more than to poke members of the British royalty in the chest. :D It wouldn't so much be a "brash public display of contemptuous disrespect", but more of a reminder that humility is a virtue, and nobody's ego should be so bloated that they need to be treated with some kind of rarefied special etiquette.

 

[SKL]

You are aggressively missing the point. The Rothschild family represents basically all that is wrong with the "New World Order," so-called, whereas HRH the Prince of Wales represents nothing worse than stability.