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what line of work is your friend in?

He's a self-employed contractor... he was at a client's house doing deck work.

i just typed a huge post, but somehow managed to 'select all' then delete it. damn.
i was just saying that i tend to feel the hurts and sadness of people i love more acutely than if i was feeling that way myself.
seeing my girlfriend unhappy makes me terribly sad. it's tough.

i think your lady has a pretty amazing partner though. i don't really know what to say, besides the fact that one cannot possibly have enough hugs.
if it's any help, perhaps you could give her a hug from me? a trans-pacific, intercontinental (koala) bearhug. :)

Oh man I hate losing long posts! That's why I type them out in a text editor now when they're gonna be long, and then copy and paste. Anyway, thanks man, I appreciate it. Yeah lots of hugs happen regularly. :)

i've dealt with a (relatively mild) mental health issues over the years, and spent a lort of time in counselling to help me sort through it.
i was really fortunate to have free counselling with a clinical psychologist through the drug treatment place i went to to help me with some addiction issues.
i really made the most of it, and saw her (the same psych) every week for about 3 years.
she really helped me identify, then work on the various issues that lead me to fall into addictive behaviours. one thing i really came to understand is that depression is quite a self-perpetuating problem, and it tends to "feed" itself.

Yeah, I have dealt with depression too. The thing is that she realizes she's sabotaging herself, we talk about this, we've had some really insightful conversations, but it's like it never sticks, or she can't put it into practice. I really think she could benefit a lot of a good therapist, I hope she arrives at the willpower/desire to do it before long because I think she underestimates how much it could help. I saw a therapist myself for a while when I got off opiates, right after ibogaine, for drug addiction counseling. It was helpful but I was kinda figuring it out myself, she basically just was a sounding board (but very good) for whatever I had thought about the week before seeing her. It was a good experience though, but my girl had what she thinks of as a bad experience though (I don't know details really, but my sense is it was a combination of a not-so-attentive therapist coupled with her natural unwillingness to share too much about herself to people she doesn't know).

i tend to recognise depression, however, when i just cannot find the motivation to do things like get out of bed in the morning.
but when i feel that way, i try to beat the depression by not yielding to the desire to stay in bed, cancel my plans, call in sick for work or whatever.
if i do let depression get the better of me, by hiding away and wallowing in my feelings - it "feeds" the depression, because i later feel more isolated, guilty and it tends to confirm any suspicions i may have that i'm not a good person, or not worthy of people's friendship, etc etc.
it's a vicious circle.

That's exactly where she's at, she isn't calling out of work or anything but she'll make plans outside of work to get things done, and end up sleeping until noon and not really doing much of anything except maybe some gardening. If she didn't have me to hang out with on the weekends and go hiking and camping and stuff (which is the time she really comes alive fully), she probably wouldn't do a lot. She feels bad about herself every time too and it definitely feeds into her depression. She's talked to me about this very thing, but sometimes understanding and feeling are very different things. I can relate because when I was depressed, it took fixing the problems in my life before I was able to get past it, which first involved fixing my thought process. Before that I knew I COULD not be depressed, and I knew why I was depressed, but I didn't understand how to see out of it. It's basically the same thing for her, her depression is the result of a troubled childhood (divorce and parental abandonment) and then being pressured into a certain idealized path in life she didn't want, and then being made to feel shame for not "making something of herself", the last part of which seems to have become the main thing as she passed age 30. A combination of feeling directionless, unable to do anything about it, failure and lack of power to change these things is the cause, and she knows this too.

it's hard when it's someone else's depression, because you can really only do so much to help - but i would suggest doing whatever you can to keep active and do something that brings you joy.
you often tell us of your beautiful hikes through the forest, which is something i really love to do when i'm trying to deal with some shit in my head.
last time i was feeling a bit lost, i got a message from my drummer, asking if i wanted to go with her and her boyfriend for a hike in Wombat State Forest, a beautiful place about 40 km out from Melbourne. it's a bit like swilow's neck of the woods...

anyway, it really brightened me up.

Yeah I do that for sure, we don't live together or see each other every day, I spend about 3 days of the week with my friends and/or doing music stuff. On the weekends my girl and I hike and sometimes camp, and then at nights we'll just chill or hang out with her or my friends. The weekends are good times. :) There's no one better in the world to explore nature with. She knows so much, plants are her passion and she knows (it seems to me) everything, I've learned so much from her. She's like a little forest sprite, I have met very few people who share my deep appreciation of nature so fully (I think she's more there than I am actually). I fully believe that if the way we lived was to live off the land and just survive, she would be a happy person who has some scars. She just doesn't believe in our modern civilization and doesn't get it and doesn't fit in. I mean, not JUST that, but it's a factor.

anyway, i hope you're feeling better soon.
let your girl know how much she means to you and maybe try to find some way of letting her know how special she is.

I believe she always feels that from me, through every aspect of how we are with each other. :) I tell her how great she is and how much I love her every day we're together. We also just have this thing that evolved way, way before we started talking about it, the thing we have with each other goes way beyond words, it was what struck me about her from the very beginning was how connected I felt with her in this physical/emotional way that is really palpable and always has been.

to me, the emotional effects of detoxing (off anything) is one of the worst bits. it certainly is for opioids, in my experience.
even when the physical discomfort passes, there is often a feeling of unease that's hard to place.
i can imagine phenibut WD/PAWS could be a bit like that.

Yeah this is true. You know though, yesterday I was having a terrible day, I felt so bunched up inside, fidgety, runny nose, like a withdrawal. I was craving alcohol, I was thinking obsessively negative thoughts, and I just couldn't shake it. Ended up taking 25mg of MXE, with a 10mg redose an hour or so in, hoping for a little clarity and holy god, I remember how special MXE is. I can only describe the result as one of the most sublime states of grace I ever remember achieving, where everything was crystal clear and I felt all of the inner tension and turmoil melt away and I felt so utterly comfortable. It was honestly about the most perfect, light and graceful feeling I can imagine, the most profound MXE ewxperience I have had besides my one deep hole on it which was totally different. I talked about and thought about my life right now, and it seemed as though every situation was either easy or surmountable. The drug compulsion/addiction seemed like the easiest part, and indeed it is. I woke up this morning feeling the same way minus the being high part of it. I hope it will last, but I'm good now, I really think I'm more or less past the GABA withdrawaly stuff, no alcohol or anything for me and I feel good about this. I think I was thinking about it all wrong.

Sometimes MXE can be such a special thing. Truly one of the great substances of all time.
 
I think I need to play piano until it feels better.

I've been in a piano-playin' mood as well, lately. My goal is to get good enough that I can record myself playing something and post it here without being ashamed of myself, hehe.
 
i'm so jealous you still have some MXE stashed away.

man, you guys sound like such a beautiful couple. i'd really love to come visit you some day.
i have this image in my head of my girlfriend and i hiking up a mountainside with you guys. we have a bond seems similar to what you guys have, except we're 3000km apart, which is tough. our love is stronger than ever though, odd as that may sound.

i hope you guys can shake off the blues and have some fun together over the weekend

my girl has two trips over to visit me, in september and october.
the september trip, we are going to go up to sydney for a few days, and spend some time in melbourne - and in october she's coming back to go to a gig with me.
do you know the Magnetic Fields?
they're my favourite contemporary band (i think) and this is their first time in australia. i'm so excited!
they're playing their new album ("50 song memoir") from start to finish, over 2 nights.
we have front row tickets for both nights. i'm a really fucking lucky man. like, things aren't perfect - life is pretty stressful at the moment in lots of ways, but the people in my life that i hang out with all know how to have a good time.
some friends i go to gigs with, some friends i pick mushrooms in the forest with, other friends i go out dancing with - but my girl and i do all those things together, and always have a ball. it's hard as fuck being so far apart, but we talk every day, and we'll be properly reunited some day.
i just really had to get the fuck out of my home town. it was killing me.
i don't regret it at all - i love melbourne so much, but like a lot of things in life, it's had its challenges.
hate being far away from people i love, but i'm still really blessed to have such amazing people in my life. that's something i try to never take for granted.

take care xork, i'm sure you'll both be able to get through this together. <3
 
I remembered I had the baggie from my last batch, which had various clumps of MXE stuck to the sides. I took it out and the MXE has turned tan/brown and is almost oily-seeming, but it turns out it's just as good as ever. I probably have a few more similar doses in there.

That would be so hard for me being long-distance, especially that far! Kudos on making that work. Sounds like you're as lucky as I am. :)

I've heard of the Magnetic Fields, but I don't really know anything about them. That's awesome, I love when you get to see live music that you're really excited about. :) I've gotten to see a lot of great music lately. One thing my girl and I don't really share is our love of music... she likes music a lot but is only really excited about a few things and is kinda turned off by a lot of stuff, she's fairly picky, and a lot of it isn't what I'm most into. So she usually passes on shows (she is into my band though, I can tell because she gives me actual feedback and she's not one to beat around the bush), and I go with friends and since she likes to go to bed earlier than me, that means I don't have to feel like I should tell her we can go after the show and not after-party and stuff like that. She respects my passion for music and doesn't try to get in the way of it, but she doesn't really share it.

Anyway if you're ever in the US or I'm ever in Australia, we should meet up for sure. :)
 
For the longest times Hvis Liset Taross was my favorite Burzum (Heh, odd coincidence but today I'm wearing a T-shirt with its album cover), but nowadays I think it's a tie between that one and Filosofem, I think the slow transitioning from the raw black metal sound to pure ambient on the album is just genius. And that dirty, fuzzy and extremely minimalistic production was the opening point to a type of sound I really enjoy.

On my last K-Hole though, I listened to Det Som Engang Var because I hadn't listened to it in a while.

Oh, I love Blut Aus Nord !! I can't really count how many spins I've given to "Odinist". Mmmh yes, that tasty dissonance. Awesome for tripping, I agree. The irregular time signatures and weird snare drum accents make from some interesting mind games.




I'm not sure what you mean by "explain", but the music is not very similar to GSYBE at all. Varg (The man behind the project) produced some "ambient" albums though, which MAY be somehow related to BoC in how dark they are, but they are much much more minimalistic and the production is considerably rawer. A much more digital sound too. I do enjoy some of the ambient albums, specially the newer ones like this one.

But really, what Burzum is most known for is doing raw, repetitive and trance-inducing black metal. You must have a taste for the harsher side of music to enjoy it, but in my opinion it is one of the more "universal" black metal bands in the sense that it's sonic experimentation, invidualism, concept and musical ethic is relevant far beyond what concerns to "heavy metal".

BTW, I never heard of slow riot for new zero kanada before. Checking it out right now :)

He, my Aske t-shirt is a favourite companion. :) I think Belus is up their with his best though. I'm almost glad he's such a loathsome human though, it makes the music that much more inaccessible, fits the entire aesthetic.

Don't know what you think of Laibach but their new album reminds of mid 00's BAN in some senses. Its impenetrable industrial weirdness, totally different to their poppy previous release. I daresay you'll dig it :)
 
Never really got into Laibach, but I'll try the record you suggested, thanks :)


She just doesn't believe in our modern civilization and doesn't get it and doesn't fit in.


I can somewhat relate to that. Sometimes, though, I try to think not fitting in a society as insane as our's maybe is a symptom of sanity.
 
Laibach are hit and miss tbh but their album Spectre is really awesome electronic semi-industrial pop. Good gateway album. But the latest is minimal and pretty fucking eerie. Remindsr of Max Richter at times. Its actually close to the stuff I'm composing atm.

On that note, I've been making some lofi goa trance recently. Using only Reason's subtractor synth to stimulate creativity. I find the multiplicity of soft synths actually gets me bogged down in and blocks the flow so I'm using one soft synth to create everything including drums. So enjoyable though I tend to write 3 minutes of a track and lose interest.
 
Listening to the suggested album. This is quite NOICE. Really enjoying it. Made me hit the bong. It will be a nice way to started slowing down and call it a day.
 
Man I had an awesome night. :) Got invited to jam by my bass player friend with another friend from his band, and their old drummer who recently went on tour with Caleb Johnson. Had so much fun, and I played as well as I ever have, a lot better than the last time I played with them, cuz I've been working hard at it. For the first time I felt like I could be totally at easy, I led it a lot of the time, and everyone complimented me sincerely on my playing. Then everyone left except for me and the drummer. He's definitely a friend, we've spent a music festival together and also plenty of other time, but had never hung out one on one. We ended up hanging out for hours and talking about so much stuff, it was great, I love that guy. Got his number and we're gonna jam and hang out some more. Oh, and I've also got some help now to get our podcast going (when our friend died recently it went on hiatus because she had been doing all the networking), and we've got a nice number of bands of some significance in the network now because of that. Looking forward to things to come. :)

Music is the best. Really brings people together, and it feels the best of anything to be playing really well with people. Me and the drummer can read each other really well, we were making some seriously good music. :)
 
Have you taken any psychedelics? They're not for everybody, but for many they provide an experience that adds something to your life from a single use, because of how much they alter your perception and allow you to see things in new ways. Psychedelics, IMO, are a different thing from everything else you listed. Ideally I would be free of every drug and be sober, maybe weed sometimes. Except for psychedelics, I will always leave myself open to a trip when the time feels right, because the net result of psychedelics on my life has been overwhelmingly positive.

As one example, ibogaine gave me the reset I needed to finally get off of opiates after 10 years of addiction that had me wanting to die by the end. Another example is the first time I took mushrooms, at 18. It changed my entire life because suddenly I saw what I am (and we all are) a part of. I went from nihilistic atheism that made me feel very jaded, to feeling a deep spiritual connection to the universe. I have tripped many times since then, at times abusing them by using them way too often, but that revelation and feeling has never faded from that one single experience.
 
Ah well it sounds like you haven't found anything you really want to take because you haven't ventured into the psychedelics and dissociatives yet, Dreamflyer ;) They're the only truly interesting, or rather indefinitely interesting, chemicals in my opinion.
 
That's interesting that oral cannabis doesn't affect you, and it sounds like mushrooms barely have as well. If you're curious about the psychedelic experience (and if you're not, that's cool too), you should think about trying something else. LSD is a good candidate. The effects you describe are like if you take a threshold dose, or even placebo (the giggling for example, this could have been a little bit of it you felt, but it doesn't even compare in any way to the full effects). Ibogaine is certainly an experience. :)
 
Bit spun. The shit i have is honestly not bad. A bit better than i had expected, i got higher than i wanted earlier. It was ok though. I blew a nice line earlier and it STUNK. Like i snorted it and i could smell what i can only describe as a chemical smell, and similar to the smell of a burned hit or a dirty well used pipe coated in resin.
Ive never had shit that really smelled as is at all.
It isnt shake n bake...its most likely mexican so why the smell...i know cpke can smell like gasoline but this is dry crystals. i doubt it is unevaporated solvent because it doesnt appear wet and it leaves no residue in the bag. Bullshit speed can be oily and appear wet in the bag but even the time i had that shit i dont remember it having a strong odor when sniffed or smoked..
Bizarre really. Maybe it was brought in as liquid, idk.
Whatever, its crystal at the end of the day, it does what its supposed to and it isnt weak in potency.
 
I was having bad ocd trying to basically bite and pick my nails till they're short and dull. Well I was doing that along with reading on nyt.com for 3 or 4 hours. I went to smoke and I still
Couldn't stop. I drank a 32oz gatorDe and then got a redose ready for a better roa and since then somehow I'm totally relaxed while spun. It's like the way it used to be where I'd chill and listen to music and the music enhance!went made everything amazing. No blurry vision or nystagmus I think, at least not nystagmus I can notice...
That makes no sense. Tweaking out, not fun, do a strong dose and just sit back and relax.
 
Sorry for triple but I am gonna make a goal to not do a line tomorrow. The rest is gonna be stashed for a while because if I be dumb I'll end up having a way less fun time. Esp if I waited and did a lsd trip with a good dose of speed while coming up. I'd go low low on the L tho like 2 tab max
 
Phenibut was pretty cool. Ended up taking a gram before a light meal. Was smoking the sticky icky the entire time. I could definitely tell it gave my high that cross faded feel. Ill give it try again next weekend at 1.2g and try not to smoke throughout the effects.
 
I feel really good not drinking the last few days. I'm waking up with a lot more energy and there isn't a down period where I feel crappy and emotional early in the day. I woke up this morning feeling super motivated, I contacted a friend I hadn't talked to in a while, vacuumed and mopped my house, cleaned the kitchen, took a shower and Bluelighted, all before my girl got up, then made breakfast for us. Now we're on our way out to go hiking. Then later I'm going to the free downtown music festival and seeing Sly and the Family Stone, or at least whatever is left of them, which is pretty crazy.
 
Thanks. :)

It was pretty fun, the band only had one of the original members in it (the drummer), and they were a little too big on the audience participation stuff (let me hear you cheer for <insert name>, I can't hear you, I can't hear you, is that the best you can do, etc, oh plus cutting out entirely and expecting the audience to sing a whole chorus and hardly anyone did), and there were a ton of like crew cut, middle-aged tourist dudes with their families there who were standing with their arms crossed, unmoving, unwilling to even clap between songs. Still I heard some amazing bass playing. I did a bump of 3-MeO-PCE because fucking everyone was drinking and I wanted some of that confidence, it felt like it burned extra bad which was weird. Then I woke up this morning with a mega sore throat on the side that I snorted it, and my head feels all stuffed with cotton. I hope I'm not getting sick, I'm flying to go on vacation with my family in a few days and I'm gonna be pissed if I'm sick for it. :|
 
I don't think so, I've got limb soreness, sore sinuses, sneezing, and stuffy head. You know that indescribable sick feeling? I got it. And it extra sucks because I can't get my dad sick, he could die if I do or go to the hospital on a ventilator. So I'll have to wear a mask and stay away from him if I don't get rid of this by Wednesday.

Makes me feel so fucking aggravated. Wish I stayed home.
 
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