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[StickyChron]

1000 hits of LSD won't kill you, just probably be a little heavy for your psyche to handle... might end bad.

I didn't mean from the LSD, just out of pure confusion.:D

 

[allium]

AFAIK, after taking more than 1 mg of LSD doesn't change trip intensity, only trip duration. Though I can be wrong.

Minor signs of dependence (difficulty falling asleep w/o benzo) can start within a week. More significant withdrawal effects typically require longer duration and escalating doses, but there's no set rule as to how much or how long is okay to avoid problems. I think after a few weeks, even at low doses, one would experience some rebound anxiety. I'd advise against using it multiple days in a row, period.

Ok, thank you for advice. I can see no problems in taking phenazepam multiple day in a row, but I will definitely take a break now.

Also, I've took a little amount of 3-FMC, feel speedy right now

 

[adrian89987]

I dunno... I've spent the last few years around the acid culture of NorCal, being very wild and irresponsible with it (I have a felony possession 44 tabs of LSD, heh...) but also taking ridiculous doses.... I was selling it (obviously), both liquid and blotter, I've had plenty of ten-strip trips, and one of my strongest LSD trips if not the strongest LSD trip was when I washed a vial of SUPER good liquid, that had around ~10 hits or so PLUS the wash, which adds another 5 drops or so.

But on none of those trips did I ever experience complete ego destruction without the aide of a dissociative.

I think dissociatives are the only class of drug that can cause complete separation of mind and body while still keeping the user 'awake'

Have you done 5-MeO-DMT or oral DMT at high doses by any chance? Complete utter ego destruction (IME)

 

[StickyChron]

Would having a 'thumbprint' then, possibly erase/destroy your ego permanently, or put you in a trip that could possibly last weeks? Which I guess would bound to cause some kind of permanent psychological damage?

My father said he had taken over 3k hits of LSD before he was 18, and while it wasn't all at once, he's told me stories of drinking whole vials which was referred to in his time in SF as "blinking" he claims. I wasn't able to find anything on this term, but anyway my dad is literally a certified genius (took the test and shit) and I don't see any noticeable psychological issues with him and he's eaten probably around 5k hits of LSD in his days. He hitchhiked through every state in the US selling LSD to people and living with them feeding them liquid.

 

[Dark_Raver]

Well, that ruins that theory.
But I guess your tolerance does build up again, and with LSD it builds up again quiet quickly.
Perhaps this one lot of 1k+ trips is enough to overload the system, temporarily atleast?
It would be a life changing experience if you got it right though, It would change your view on the world so much more than it has already?
To the point where you feel like you've been watching over the universe for hundreds of years, seen everyhing come, and everything go.

I don't know hah, i'm only an amateur.

 

[StickyChron]

Well, that ruins that theory.
But I guess your tolerance does build up again, and with LSD it builds up again quiet quickly.
Perhaps this one lot of 1k+ trips is enough to overload the system, temporarily atleast?
It would be a life changing experience if you got it right though, It would change your view on the world so much more than it has already?
To the point where you feel like you've been watching over the universe for hundreds of years, seen everyhing come, and everything go.

I don't know hah, i'm only an amateur.

I'm sure anywhere around 300-400 hits is probably complete sensory overload, a full thousand is incomprehensible to my mind at this point. While I'm sure it would have some crazy effects on the brain chemistry for a long time, I would imagine you would be "fine" by most terms within a few weeks, normal at about 2-3 months maybe?

Like you said, we're just fuckin' amateurs.

 

[allium]

Fuck, it seems that universe doesn't want me to try LSD, but I hope at one point of my life I will...

Anyhow, I am a bit skeptical about taking insanely high doses of any psychedelic. Actually, I am skeptical even about taking high(let's say more than 2x of "normal dose") doses of psychedelics too, because most of my magical, deep and profound trips were on moderate and low doses. In my experiences, and in my opinion, the dose matters, but matters less than set & setting.

It is entirely possible that 1k hits of LSD will make you fucked up for a week, tripping really hard... But you'll get no useful insights and no realizations.

Moderation is the key.

 

[Dark_Raver]

Here's another question for all you PD'ers;

what environment do you prefer to trip in for a deep and insightful trip?
What music do you listen to?
Lights? (strobe, etc.)
surrounding people?

 

[StickyChron]

It is entirely possible that 1k hits of LSD will make you fucked up for a week, tripping really hard... But you'll get no useful insights and no realizations.

That is entirely possible, but I like to think you could control the trip after being engulfed in LSD for multiple days. It goes back to my other theory, that you never come down, you just understand where you're at. There is no high or not high, you're just more aware than before.

 

[Dark_Raver]

StickyChron, I really love reading your opinions and philosophies .
They're worded simpler and easier to understand IMO than others.
They're putting much larger ideas into my head.
Just sayin'.

 

[StickyChron]

Thank you. That's nice to hear, it truly is. I just find most discussions of this nature end up with a lot of metaphysical and psychedelic jargon thrown around, and its not very easy to digest or put others ideals into useful applications for thinking on your own. For me personally, I feel my ideals are best received in their most simplistic form. I may not be the most eloquent poster on BL, but I truly BELIEVE in psychedelics for their medicinal purposes and I'm glad you've picked up on that at least.

 

[StickyChron]

Here's another question for all you PD'ers;

what environment do you prefer to trip in for a deep and insightful trip?
What music do you listen to?
Lights? (strobe, etc.)
surrounding people?

I've always had the most introspective and insightful times while by myself in a dimly lit room with little distractions from your own mind. Music has different meanings and invokes different feelings for everyone, so I don't know what would be good for me, would be good for you, I'd say just listen to your absolute favorite 20-30 songs or so. If you feel a strong connection to music, try listening to lots of different things and see where it can take you without you "trying".

Dub side of the moon is fucking awesome, it gives me a floating sensation sometimes when I listen to it. Sober even.

 

[cops4rizzle]

Take two:

So we agree that everything is one, and one is everything, right?

Then you could say, there is one thing.

Expanding on what I just posted on duality, I believe this one thing is composed of two dimensions, if you will. (1) Matter and (2) Consciousness. Matter is what we physically experience. Consciousness is what we mentally experience.

Fascinating ! I may not be understanding entirely but here's what I think: I agree that the matter/consciousness dichotomy is fundamental, it's like an axiom for me actually. And I agree that there is one consciousness essentially, or a source of consciousness, somewhere, whence we came & whither we will return...

Firstly I'm curious about how you distinguish betweenmental & physical experience - i'd say all experienuce is mental by definition. By physical experience i take it you mean our bodily senses? Surely any physical experience produces a mental response, no? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

My reasoning goes:

Consciousness is what I directly experience, i.e. it is the only thing whose existence I can state with absolute certainty. It is governed thoughts & emotions that are subjective in nature i.e. not (yet?) amenable to mathematical modelling, but doesn't appear to be random either, instead responding, however obliquely, to a 'spiritual' (for lack of a better word) paradigm.

Matter is not directly experienced but inferred via the senses. As such we cannot be 100% sure of its existence, but it's apparent behaviour is objective ie can be modelled mathematically.

That's why I've only ever considered consciousness in my spiritual inquiry - the only things I ever actually know are things that occur as part of my conscious experience, and the behaviour of matter & consciousness is so different that any attempt to reconcile them would be a stretch seeing as we haven't even reconciled the behaviour of matter at long distances (relativitistic) & short (quantum) (i know that's not a particularly ingenious comparison

As for your idea - it'd never even occurred to me to view matter & consciousness as two aspects of the same thing. I see consciousness as an strange anomaly in an objective, non-conscious universe. It is fascinating though, so I'll read on

Now, this is where it gets hard for me to express so bear with me.

I believe that the purpose is to experience. I don't mean individual experience, like the kind me or you has every waking moment. I mean the purpose of 'the one thing' is to subjectively experience itself infinitely.

Hmmmm, interesting - that would've almost made sense to me - if you'd just been referring to consciousness If you had been, I'd have said it's a neat idea, but why would it need to experience itself infinitely? Surely consciouness already experiences itself, by virtue of what it is? Imo there must be more than that. Currently I'd say that if there's a 'purpose' to consciousness as we normally know, it is not simply experience (we wouldn't have to be here to do that) but to learn from those experiences & gain self-knowledge - this being made possible by 'separating' discrete units of consciousness and 'packaging' them inside physical bodies/brains that acts as a temporary barrier between them, which gives us freedom, at the cost of all our familiar human ailments, from the existential to the mundane.

The way that manifests, is what we know as the universe. Matter. Consciousness. Me. You.

So if I've got this right - you're saying matter & consciousness are two aspects of the same thing i.e. the universe? Are you saying that matter somehow 'experiences itself' as well? I just don't see any basis for linking the two myself; i view consciousness as extrinsic to anything physical - maybe I'm just a bit behind though

As you can see, nature and evolution will never stop. Humans are no special species, we just have brains wired for communication and personal intelligence, which happened to lead to civilization. Nature will constantly be taking on one form after another, just look at how many species of individually conscious beings we have in existence today. Thats the purpose. To simply live, grow, experience, and die. The cycle continues no matter what, nothing will ever break it. And thats all that is supposed to happen. Infinite life of everything.

Now that I could go for. Reincarnation-driven evolution? interesting...the aim being simply to experience ever-higher states of self-awareness? Would need to think about that...I have no idea how animals with a 'lower' level of awareness would fit into my system, and in fact assumes that conscious and non-concious are clearly delineable...i guess i'll never know8)

Not sure if I went to far off the path there.

Lol.

As far as the moral axis, I do believe in that, and I can see how it could be associated with bad trips. Of course there are also other factors, but certainly that could be a large one. I think that morals are only relevant to survival, I don't think the universe as a whole has any kind of moral code. Members of any species come hardwired with instincts and primitive coding that is there for the benefit of the species. It's why species work together, and always think of themselves as one.

HA! glad you agree that it's real (i think the general term is conscience by the way, i just forgot that word earlier:D), but i think it has nothing to do with survival instincts plus if consciousness is extrinsic to, or located primarily on a different 'plane' to the physical universe, there'd be no need to account for the universe as a whole having a 'moral code' - I see it as local to consciousness only & imo it's what makes the subjective experience 'special' so to speak, by allowing us to answer to ourselves rather having our emotions controlled by the vagaries of external events...an oversimplification for sure, but i think there's at least some truth behind that. that's my interpretation of karma though, for another thread

surely you'd agree though that many of the skills needed for survival (killing is an obvious example) might not go down too well on an acid trip? I'd actually say it's the other way round entirely, and that survival instincts are an unfortunate necessity for survival in this environment (thankfully not for humans so much anymore), that are actually ultimately responsible for a lot of spiritually damaging behaviour (i.e. behaviour that acts contrary to the 'moral axis' or 'conscience' to use a more familiar phrase) - tribalism/group identification for example, which can be useful when trying to stay alive but diminishes shared humanity & spreads the myth of inherent differences between people belonging to different groups

while it's true that survival instincts always will override consience when it comes to the well-being of the physical body, as this is instinctual I don't think detracts from one's spiritual health, as it were, since there was no negative intention behind it.

Last point you made was about psychs vs. dissociatives. I agree with most of what you've said. I think I touched on this earlier, but... I think that psychedelics work with the ego. Sure, they take off some of the filters in your brain, but for the most part they work with your conscious brain and body.

Dissociatives (at full strength) completely destroy the ego. They completely sever mental from physical. You cant communicate with the physical world, its gone. Therefore, to me they are a purely spiritual drug. Spirit = Consciousness. They allow the exploration of consciousness, because your brain no longer has to process physical data and its free to put all its energy into the spirit, or consciousness.

I agree with most of that too...though I'd see the primary difference in slightly different terms....psychedelics can destroy the ego entirely ime, but it's a dramatic and (for some) unpleasant experience. But yes, I agree the fact they work with the body as well as the brain is important, and that while they can produce dramatic spiritual experiences these are limited in scope to those produced by dissociatives. In essence i think psychedelics are limited to the physical plane, since, while they work wonders for dealing with problems created by ego/society, there are some aspects of human suffering that they don't seem to touch upon (like i mentioned earlier, loneliness & loss spring to mind)

Whereas dissociatives do cure all these problems, completely...and btw i wouldn't say they even 'destroy' the ego, more like bypass the need for one...after all you wouldn't need survival techniques if you weren't on a physical plane would you?

So which of us is crazier? 8(

I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong of course, my views evolve all the time and who the hell knows anyway? As long as you have a way of looking at the world that works for you it's all good imo.

 

[thomas2laylum]

My father said he had taken over 3k hits of LSD before he was 18

probably slightly exaggerated, but nonetheless i am jelly (but mostly bored)

 

[System7]

hey i've got a question for y'all. i was going to pm a mod but i'm greenlighter... anyways i have some lsd stored in a ziplock baggy stored inside an opaque mason jar in a cool environment. I'm just wondering about all the empty space inside the jar filled with air. i was thinking of displacing this air by filling the empty space with rice or some other dry material. Do you guys have any suggestions?

 

[Dark_Raver]

Expanding on my previous question, what is your DOA and preferred method of taking it for this 'deep and insightful' trip?

Personally, I haven't done anything outside of a major party/rave environment yet.
Although when I get my hands on some 2C-E next I shall be taking 10mg orally and trying some dark lighting, trance music, maybe some dub in there. Maybe stick a strobe on for an hour or so, see how that turns out.

 

[Bomboclat]

hey i've got a question for y'all. i was going to pm a mod but i'm greenlighter... anyways i have some lsd stored in a ziplock baggy stored inside an opaque mason jar in a cool environment. I'm just wondering about all the empty space inside the jar filled with air. i was thinking of displacing this air by filling the empty space with rice or some other dry material. Do you guys have any suggestions?

It should be fine without anything, but if you're really worried, get a desiccant.
(You know, like the shit they put in jerky bags?)


Truthfully though, it'll be perfectly fine without it. Ive had LSD just stored in some foil in a dark, cool, place for over a year now and it hasnt lost any potency (or hasnt lost any noticable potency). LSD isnt as fragile as people think it is, but it definitely doesnt hurt to be careful!

 

[Solipsis]

hey i've got a question for y'all. i was going to pm a mod but i'm greenlighter... anyways i have some lsd stored in a ziplock baggy stored inside an opaque mason jar in a cool environment. I'm just wondering about all the empty space inside the jar filled with air. i was thinking of displacing this air by filling the empty space with rice or some other dry material. Do you guys have any suggestions?

Unless I'm mistaken greenlighters can PM staff. Though I am not recommending you do, there is a storing LSD thread which you can find using either the advanced search engine or by using the Psychedelic Index, going to the LSD thread and finding the subthread for storage there. You should use that thread to ask such a question, not create a new thread or PM people. Generally mods have quite a good bit of knowledge on matters, but I suggest that they should not be singled out as having superior knowledge on things. There are a LOT of users here that together have more interesting things to say than any single person by themselves.

Considering your actual question: if you put the LSD inside a baggy then it is mostly airtight already, you can compound the protection against moist air by using a little mason jar (I recommend the tiny kind) and then using a dessicant as is already suggested. Rice is actually a dessicant which is why it is sometimes added to a salt shaker to keep it dry!
But it is not an optimal dessicant, silica or calcium chloride or magnesium sulphate or sodium sulphate are definitely better ones. You can buy dessicant as either the chemical itself or as a 'dessicant product'.

I use calcium chloride myself. But mostly because the tiny mason jar is put into the freezer. Any time I have opened the mason jar and let in fresh air and put it into the freezer again the amount of water that the air can hold decreases causing condensation. And it condenses where it has the best place for it. Using a dessicant you sacrifice material for it, otherwise droplets can be formed although the condensation inside an airtight, tightly closed baggy would be minimal. So it's all a little redundant precaution but better safe than sorry. I have the dessicant laying around anyway for many similar purposes.

Next time use the correct thread for this please. The Beginners FAQ contains tips how you can use this site correctly!

 

[Dondante]

Just wanted to quickly point out a few things...

Firstly I'm curious about how you distinguish betweenmental & physical experience - i'd say all experienuce is mental by definition.

That's correct. All experience is "mental". Matter/energy is physical.

Surely consciouness already experiences itself, by virtue of what it is?

Consciousness doesn't experience itself per se. Consciousness is experience. As humans (though the presence of consciousness is certainly not unique to our species), we have/are physical forms; and through us, the physical (matter/energy) experiences itself. Look up panexperientialism for an interesting theory, which posits that the connection between mental and physical goes much deeper than brain and mind. The philosophy says that consciousness is a fundamental property of matter, and experience is ubiquitous. Consciousness, as we think of it (our uniquely human brand), is an infinitely complex form of experience.

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[LSDMDMA&AMP]

oh lawd, this is getting deep
i shall not meddle in your srs discussion, for srs
dondante how'd you get your thing to say trip correspondant?