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Yeah, not everyone likes the doped up feeling. If you are not looking for those effects, they can be annoying, especially when you are trying to carry on with normal life activities. Not to mention some people just don't respond to them very well, and there is a stigma against opioids.
 
Also: opiates are not a very sustainable course of treatment for pain. If you have chronic pain problems, you want to choose the most sustainable course of treatment possible because you have to use it on an ongoing basis.

Plus, hopping on an opiate script is essentially putting yourself at the mercy of doctors to give you pills that you need in order to function-- which is horribly anxiety-inducing and just a shitty way to live, I can say from experience. If people can live with pain without resorting to opiates, I say more power to them.
 
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Also: opiates are not a very sustainable course of treatment for pain. If you have chronic pain problems, you want to choose the most sustainable course of treatment possible because you have to use it on an ongoing basis.

Plus, hopping on an opiate script is essentially putting yourself at the mercy of doctors to give you pills that you need in order to function-- which is horribly anxiety-inducing and just a shitty way to live, I can say from experience. If people can live with pain without resorting to opiates, I say more power to them.
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Yeah I totally agree but when my boss's husband had a kidney transplant from his brother I was pretty impressed. I mean just looking at his scars youd think hed take at least a 5mg hydro at night.
 
Molelcular orbital theory is sooo much more confusing then vsepr... maybe its because of all the quantum mechanic crap that is staring me in the face.

edit: wtf is a basis set in refrence to MOt. the predicted set of orbitals? such as 2px 2py 2pz? nvm i think I understand.
 
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Molelcular orbital theory is sooo much more confusing then vsepr... maybe its because of all the quantum mechanic crap that is staring me in the face.

edit: wtf is a basis set in refrence to MOt. the predicted set of orbitals? such as 2px 2py 2pz? nvm i think I understand.
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Molecular orbital theory is fucking awesome though. Such an amazing model in terms of how well it allows both qualitative and quantitative analysis through its concepts. I like the way its ideas feel in my mind, makes awesome sense.

As far as basis sets go.. a molecular orbital can be thought of as a set of atomic orbitals interacting. The MO will be essentially a linear combination of each atomic orbital function, the set of atomic orbital wavefunctions are the basis set of the molecular orbital you are considering.

Edit: learning and then finally understanding molecular orbital theory was somewhat of a paradigm shift for me in how I think of all things chemistry so I get excited talking about it sometimes.
 
I get excited any time I have chance to talk about what I've learn from reading/learning pharmacology/neuroscience and chem. I mean, my fun reading right now is Advanced Organic Chemistry by Carey and Sundberg. Takes me a bit of time to get through a page, though I don't mind as I'm trying to full grasp every concept and fill in the gaps from what I may have missed or wasn't taught in my organic classes. I really wish my uni had an advanced orgo class, because now that I'm diving deeper into chem, I can actually see why things are happening. Basic orgo was just this is what happens. But being the analytical man that I am, that always bothered me. I can' just accept something happens just because it does, there needs to be a causation, or at least some sort of representation of what it is doing, as of course a lot of these theories are depictions of whats happening, not the reason they are happening.

I remember when I was first learning about MO and how frustrating understanding it was. The books just didn't dive deep enough into the theory.

edit: right now I'm stuck... I don't understand how the mj (subscript j) in the equation E= alpha + mj beta changes for one individual molecule. I understand there are multiple potential MOs for the particular compound depending on energy levels, but the equation for mj is, mj = 2cos(2 j pi / n) , where j = 0, 1, 2, ... (n-1)/2 (for odd) or j = 0, 1, 2, ... (n/2) (for even). How can mj change when the only variable is n, which is constant (n being the number of carbons). I'm looking at table for the energy levels and atomic coefficients for HMOs of 1,3,5-hexatriene, and one of the columns is "pi orbital mj". The value continues to change, even though, I like I said, the only variable, n, doesn't actually change because its the same molecule.
 
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Got some good rolls last night, one had E=MC² on it. and the other was Route 66. i personally think writing e=mc² on a e pill is genius. I took the 1/2 a route 66 at about 9pm.. buzzing alright by 10pm.. take another about 11pm. Feeling great by 12.30.. decide to pop another one and a e=mc².. buzzed reaaaaaally hard by about 1.30am and then at about 2am i sat down for a break and started to nod out.. felt very smacked( i don't know how else to say it, sorry if this offends anyone one) up, possibly the e=mc² may have had some heroin in it.

overall had a great night.. unfortunately going outside at 10am was not nice on my eyes. Slept in the taxi, slept on the stairs in my house, and then finally managed to get to my bed. :P

Oh and my dream since i first took LSD is finally coming true.. i found vials.. and im buying one. :P
 
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i saw route 66s on PR netherlands.
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i are trying to acquire moar ketamine or somethin, i needs moar. acquiring funds, hopefully ill be able to find moar
 
too bad you don't live in malta, lots of k around here. only one dealer i know of thought that doesn't mix it. everyone else i know of mixes with speed.
 
Lma whats really bomb is mdma and k. I think you would enjoy that even more.

Whats up guys. Im drinking a nice hoppy ipa and about to smoke a bowl. =D=D
 
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I get excited any time I have chance to talk about what I've learn from reading/learning pharmacology/neuroscience and chem. I mean, my fun reading right now is Advanced Organic Chemistry by Carey and Sundberg. Takes me a bit of time to get through a page, though I don't mind as I'm trying to full grasp every concept and fill in the gaps from what I may have missed or wasn't taught in my organic classes. I really wish my uni had an advanced orgo class, because now that I'm diving deeper into chem, I can actually see why things are happening. Basic orgo was just this is what happens. But being the analytical man that I am, that always bothered me. I can' just accept something happens just because it does, there needs to be a causation, or at least some sort of representation of what it is doing, as of course a lot of these theories are depictions of whats happening, not the reason they are happening.

I remember when I was first learning about MO and how frustrating understanding it was. The books just didn't dive deep enough into the theory.

edit: right now I'm stuck... I don't understand how the mj (subscript j) in the equation E= alpha + mj beta changes for one individual molecule. I understand there are multiple potential MOs for the particular compound depending on energy levels, but the equation for mj is, mj = 2cos(2 j pi / n) , where j = 0, 1, 2, ... (n-1)/2 (for odd) or j = 0, 1, 2, ... (n/2) (for even). How can mj change when the only variable is n, which is constant (n being the number of carbons). I'm looking at table for the energy levels and atomic coefficients for HMOs of 1,3,5-hexatriene, and one of the columns is "pi orbital mj". The value continues to change, even though, I like I said, the only variable, n, doesn't actually change because its the same molecule.
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Well j is varied though for each system being considered, if you have n=2 then you have values of j=1,2 to plug into the equation for mj, so the formula for the energy of each molecular orbital is E=a+(mj)B, there are then two different orbitals with differing energy that arise, one for j=1 and one for j=2

So while n, the number of carbons in the system you are considering is constant there are a few different values of j that must be considered meaning a few different values of mj. J is a variable dependent on the value of n, each value of n will come with a whole set of j values. These j values essentially help you to determine how much of a stabilizing/destablizing influence each orbital that results from the pi system. mj tells you how much of a resonance stabilization or destabilization is present.


Also, I think that series for j values that you posted is for a cyclic system which 1,3,5hexatriene is not. That series would be used for benzene so by comparing the cyclic vs acyclic variation of j-values you can see how much being an aromatic ring effects the MOs of a molecule over the acyclic form.
 
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Ah, you are right about the j values I posted being for a conjugated monocyclic polyene.

Ok, so, j=1, 2, ..., n for a linear acyclic polyene

Either way, I don't see how j can change when its the same compound, if n= # of carbons atoms in the conjugated polyene. I can grasp the idea if it didn't explicitly say, "with n being the number of carbon atoms in the conjugated polyene". I also understand that the anti-bonding orbitals and bonding orbitals can have a variety of positions relative to another orbital creating nodes, which alter the over all energy level. I just can't see how j is anything but constant for a given molecule. I mean, you have 6 carbons in 1,3,5-hexatriene, no matter the number of nodes there are in a molecule at the given time. If n = the number of nodes, it would make sense to me, as you'd have 6 different node position possibilities, giving 6 different values for j, which makes sense for the 6 varying possible energy levels.
 
holy crap, chemistry talk seriously fucked with my head. hahaha i love trying to read about stuff I don't understand, its a laugh trying to understand it.

edit : oh yeah, forgot to tell you guys.. my mom wants to send me to therapy, thinks I have schizophrenia.
 
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