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Good night PD!
It is almost 3 A.M. in my timezone, I took my melatonin pill and phenibut pill and going to sleep. I expect to get some crazy dreams.
BTW, last night I talked to Shulgin about his new book! :) My imagination is really poor so it was similar to PiHKAL and TiHKAL.

Also, after that(or before that, I don't remember), the Earth was going to the end, and I had to save me and my gf from armageddon. There was an alien starship and my plan was to use it, but I had no fuel, besides shampoo - and shampoo didn't work! :\ As you can see, this plan was unsuccessful, so I had to use my save-load device =D to move myself to the past.:)
 
allium said:
I'd like to introduce my mom into psychdelics one day... But she's really against drugs, so it's not really good idea. I would like to know how many bluelighters ever gave drugs to their parents. :)
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Anyone ever wonder WTF would happen if you gave your conservative parents a strong dose of LSD or something like that?

Or like, if they were able to experience a legitimate DMT breakthrough. Not just a paranoid DMT-fueled freakout, but if you were somehow able to guide them into a full-on weeping-at-the-beauty-of-existence breakthrough. After living for so many years without any idea that something like that was remotely possible, how would they react to the newfound knowledge? Would they even be able to integrate it into their worldview?


Recently I've had a series of deep discussions with my mom -- basically Socratic inquisitions where I've been digging into her core metaphysical assumptions about reality -- and I was actually pretty shocked at how differently she saw things. Hardcore relativist, for one. Basically, whatever people THINK is good, IS good. And, before sentient life existed, and after it all dies, nothing good can ever possibly be achieved, because there's nobody around to make a judgment about whether they think it's good or not. I questioned her about the value of meditation (trying to see if she had any respect for altered states of consciousness), and she seemed to think that it was a pretty worthless idea. Her highest value was "family", whatever that means.

She's not a philosophical person by any means, so this isn't really a consciously nurtured philosophy, it's just basically a framework for the way she lives her life.
 
allium said:
Good night PD!
It is almost 3 A.M. in my timezone, I took my melatonin pill and phenibut pill and going to sleep. I expect to get some crazy dreams.
BTW, last night I talked to Shulgin about his new book! :) My imagination is really poor so it was similar to PiHKAL and TiHKAL.

Also, after that(or before that, I don't remember), the Earth was going to the end, and I had to save me and my gf from armageddon. There was an alien starship and my plan was to use it, but I had no fuel, besides shampoo - and shampoo didn't work! :\ As you can see, this plan was unsuccessful, so I had to use my save-load device =D to move myself to the past.:)
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=D <3

BTW dude, last night was my third (fourth?) night on melatonin -- no more crazy dreams, sadly. :( If you want to use melatonin as a tool for dream exploration, seems like you've gotta space out your doses, just like with any other hallucinogen.
 
both my parents need a slap in the face with DMT, maybe it'll break through to them (ha!) that there is more to this world that meets the eye, and this black and white, this is how it is attitude will disappear.
 
Sega420 said:
ignorance abounds in the older generations..
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In the younger ones, too. In fact, the follies of youth bother me much more than those of old curmudgeons set in their ways. Blah blah blah, degredation of values, no respect or humility, blah blah, hopeless idealism, thinking they're every man's equal and know best, etc. etc. (man, I'll make an awesome angry old dude if I somehow manage to live that long).

Anyhow, I went to peruse the local thrift store today and picked up a neat book for $4, The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics: Fourth Edition, from all the way back in 1971 (it's amazing how much they didn't know yet that they do now). Only thing I've read so far is the chapter on drug abuse, which I rather liked, it was very reasonable (especially compared to the tripe I've read in some modern medical books), if not admirable in parts.

I'm gonna start getting into the meat of the book tomorrow, I believe the section after the introduciton chapter, the next 7 chapters are all about anaesthesia and anaesthetics, followed by hypnotics and sedatives (if I can't do barbiturates I can still read about them and dream!).
 
You're a silly man willow, I like that.


nearjat said:
I haven't had any interest personally, my buddy IM'd some amount I dont remember though and said it was very fucking intense. Not much info sorry lol.
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Oh well, it's cool I guess. I've just been thinking about something I can get to IV (that isn't an opiate), my needles are calling me. I guess midazolam would be another possibility.
 
BTW dude, last night was my third (fourth?) night on melatonin -- no more crazy dreams, sadly. If you want to use melatonin as a tool for dream exploration, seems like you've gotta space out your doses, just like with any other hallucinogen.
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Don't worry about dreams! They appear less frequently, but not totally disapper. That night was my 35th night on melatonin:) Though today I don't get any dreams.
I had slightly contemptuous attitude towards this state of conscious, but now I feel like it needs deeper exploration. :) (I mean, my exploration of my dreams - not scientific research or whatever).
Ever heared about Calea zacatechichi? Should be nice herb.

Anyone ever wonder WTF would happen if you gave your conservative parents a strong dose of LSD or something like that?
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I would start with low or medium doses. :)
And I would rather give 12-16 mg of 2C-I or moderate dose of 4-HO/4-AcO tryptamine.

Or like, if they were able to experience a legitimate DMT breakthrough. Not just a paranoid DMT-fueled freakout, but if you were somehow able to guide them into a full-on weeping-at-the-beauty-of-existence breakthrough
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I never tried DMT, but from information I gathered and extrapolation from other substances, I am pretty sure they can't; only after they get used to psychedelic state. As for integrating a trip, I don't see how one can consciously do something to prevent integrating a psychedelic experience. so they have no choice, but integrate it.


Basically, whatever people THINK is good, IS good. And, before sentient life existed, and after it all dies, nothing good can ever possibly be achieved, because there's nobody around to make a judgment about whether they think it's good or not.
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This makes sense to me... I have similar views, but I don't make such implication: "whatever people THINK is good, IS good".
In my opinion, things itself aren't good or bad. Nothing is "black", "white" and even "gray" on its own. Good/bad are just labels, and everyone sticks these label in the unique way. So, how anything "good" can happen if there is nobody who can even think about it as "good"?

I questioned her about the value of meditation (trying to see if she had any respect for altered states of consciousness), and she seemed to think that it was a pretty worthless idea.
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I don't know your mom, but it is entirely possible that she just have no idea what is meditation. How did you ask the question: "What do you think about meditation?" or more in the way like: "Would you like to try meditating one day?".

BTW, I would like to express my thoughts as clearly as you, and your english is great! :)

both my parents need a slap in the face with DMT
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:D lol
 
I always thought my parents would go nuts if they found out about my use, but actually it was the opposite, they still accepted me for me and they even said 'we thought so at times' I got into a bit of trouble a few years back with drugs and decided to lay everything on the line to my in laws who I thought would disown me because of their attitude (well what I perceived as their attitude) towards drugs but again I was surprised when they said 'You're still our son-in-law and we want to support you'.

It was great not having anymore secrets from anyone and I'm closer to both sets of parents than I have ever been <3
 
The dead, rain and thunderstorms. Couldnt ask for much more right now.

the pot is also nice tooooo
 
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Solipsis said:
On a whole other note I just thought: for some reason I feel like 'the Fountain' would be a good tripping movie, probably because of the soft tone of it and the spiritual themes.
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might have said this before, but the soundtrack to that movie is absolutely wonderful and goes sooo well with a mushrooms trip...

and regarding parents discovering drugs... i think my mom knows i once grew some mushies. didnt say anything but she had that knowing smile and poked fun at me on several occasions. dont know how serious she was, but im glad i didnt get a "talk"
 
Once, around New Year (fortunately not ON new years but one or two days later), I watched two cheesy romantic drama movies while alone and stellar high on ketamine. I refuse to say which ones :D but suffice to say they were big when I was an emotional teenager and I went to the movies with my first girlfriend to one of them.
It launched me into a pretty severe depression, although it was reasonably temporary. Still it took me over a week to recover and screwed me up hard. Since I lost my ego, I absorbed everything I saw and identified with it.

Let that be a lesson. ;) Psychedelics are obviously different than dissociatives though...
 
=D So I got a call that the local police department wanted to see me, so I went down there. What happens? They say "You can have your stuff back because none of it's illegal to possess." I'm considering this an early (by two days) birthday present. Of course these things are just for collecting, but it's nice to have the ole' stuff back right around when I wanted to break my psych fast.

It launched me into a pretty severe depression, although it was reasonably temporary. Still it took me over a week to recover and screwed me up hard. Since I lost my ego, I absorbed everything I saw and identified with it.
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That's why you have to choose the movies you watch whilst on dissociatives carefully. I only watch a few of my favorites, usually ones I identify with to some extent already.


Oh, and know what else can really cheer a person up (even if they're already cheerful bordering on ecstatic)? Finding herb you didn't know you had.
 
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