☮ Social ☮ [PD Social General Talk Thread] Observation Tank for Fractallized Redundancy Modules

[Cream Gravy?]

Funny enough wolfgang, the only time I've been to a festival, I went because I wanted to buy psychedelics. I stocked up on mushrooms, which at the time I had no access to otherwise. Now, I admittedly loved seeing the Grateful Dead and Doors cover bands there, and the bluegrass bands were pretty groovy too, but if there weren't drugs flowing like water all around that place, I would not have gone.

I find people in the scene to be, on average, gross and discourteous to their fellow human beings. Or maybe I'm just tainted by a shitty roommate I had who, once he got into "the scene", he became a right dick and was unreasonable and impossible to deal with, 'headier-than-thou' and shit, and that fucking disgusts me about the scene. People get into that shit and then act like being a bum is some ideal, some higher truth. Yeah, I hate working as much as the next guy, and yeah society doesn't appreciate most people, but that's no reason to go and be an ass to everyone and to try and fuck over other people for your own gains. Most 'heads' I've met who follow festival circuits are bigoted assholes who know nothing of peace and love; they're fucking jokes, living lies, and care nothing about how much they screw over others.You are indeed painting the scene as some 'Garden of Eden', when in fact it's more like Sodom and Gomorrah (a little extreme, but gets my point across).

I realize not everyone is a piece of shit in the scene. I had a lot of fun at that one fest I went to, and I did in fact meet some cool people. The music was good, the setting was fantastical, and I got some of the drugs I wanted... but I also got fucked over by a few people, dip-shits selling bunk 'Molly' and booking it the second day like SKL was talking about, people asking 45 bucks for an eighth of mushies when a girl a few cars away was selling $20 eighths of better product, weed going for absurdly high prices.

My point is, the music isn't what's wrong with the scene, it's the bastardization of the hippie movement that is; there is no more sharing or spreading love, it's a dead end of a movement and the darknet has come to take its place because people like me who just want some legit doses can't get them from hippies who fuckin stash them away and won't sell them to you because you don't "get it".

 

[SKL]

^Funny enough wolfgang, the only time I've been to a festival, I went because I wanted to buy psychedelics. I stocked up on mushrooms, which at the time I had no access to otherwise. Now, I admittedly loved seeing the Grateful Dead and Doors cover bands there, and the bluegrass bands were pretty groovy too, but if there weren't drugs flowing like water all around that place, I would not have gone. I find people in the scene to be, on average, gross and discourteous to their fellow human beings. Or maybe I'm just tainted by a shitty roommate I had who, once he got into "the scene", he became a right dick and was unreasonable and impossible to deal with, 'headier-than-thou' and shit, and that fucking disgusts me about the scene. People get into that shit and then act like being a bum is some ideal, some higher truth. Yeah, I hate working as much as the next guy, and yeah society doesn't appreciate most people, but that's no reason to go and be an ass to everyone and to try and fuck over other people for your own gains. Most 'heads' I've met who follow festival circuits are bigoted assholes who know nothing of peace and love; they're fucking jokes, living lies, and care nothing about how much they screw over others. You are indeed painting the scene as some 'Garden of Eden', when in fact it's more like Sodom and Gomorrah (a little extreme, but gets my point across).I realize not everyone is a piece of shit in the scene. I had a lot of fun at that one fest I went to, and I did in fact meet some cool people. The music was good, the setting was fantastical, and I got some of the drugs I wanted... but I also got fucked over by a few people, dip-shits selling bunk 'Molly' and booking it the second day like SKL was talking about, people asking 45 bucks for an eighth of mushies when a girl a few cars away was selling $20 eighths of better product, weed going for absurdly high prices.My point is, the music isn't what's wrong with the scene, it's the bastardization of the hippie movement that is; there is no more sharing or spreading love, it's a dead end of a movement and the darknet has come to take its place because people like me who just want some legit doses can't get them from hippies who fuckin stash them away and won't sell them to you because you don't "get it".

This. Couldn't have pointed this aspect of the discussion out better myself. This shitty behavior is about the contempt for custies. Bypassing this, and ensuring the quality of what you're going to get, is what my post was about. It was not about attracting bad elements into the scene, but about avoiding the bad elements that are already there.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

For the record I didn't mean my post to come across as aggressive. I just wanted to point out that it should be fine if people just go to a concert for the drugs, and the music is secondary. I see nothing wrong with that. My favorite bands are almost all disbanded or literally dead, so there's not much live music I even care for; I go because I want drugs and I hope to meet some cool people and hear some good jams along the way.

The simple fact of the matter is that dealers of psychedelics are few and far between, and the easiest way to find them is to go where they congregate.

 

[coelophysis]

Where did you get that?

Really?

Because apparently i don't have a scene that is worth even infiltration by the fakers.

Now what do you mean with "I don't give a shit about drugs." ? After focusing wall of texts around them..

 

[SKL]

Really?

Because apparently i don't have a scene that is worth even infiltration by the fakers.

Some might argue that's a good thing...

Now what do you mean with "I don't give a shit about drugs." ? After focusing wall of texts around them..

I mean that drugs are no longer a part of my life, and don't go to concerts/events to do or to obtain drugs.

I do, however, enjoy being a bit of a color commentator on the drug scene. And again, harm reduction.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Laika, I think that's the best way to roll really; listening to a band you like while on drugs you like

My post of course was oriented towards harm reduction for people who are looking for drugs, because isn't this what Bluelight is for? Hopefully they will enjoy music and the scene/ery and other fun as well.

Bluelight is here to talk about how to use drugs with harm reduction, NOT how to buy drugs with harm reduction (that doesn't really exist).

Funny enough wolfgang, the only time I've been to a festival, I went because I wanted to buy psychedelics.

Dude don't get me in a pissing match on things we've done to get drugs that may or may not seem shady. you will probably lose.

You are indeed painting the scene as some 'Garden of Eden', when in fact it's more like Sodom and Gomorrah (a little extreme, but gets my point across).

Maybe you see it as this because your experience with what you admitted above isn't the best way to acquire drugs?

My point is, the music isn't what's wrong with the scene, it's the bastardization of the hippie movement that is; there is no more sharing or spreading love, it's a dead end of a movement and the darknet has come to take its place because people like me who just want some legit doses can't get them from hippies who fuckin stash them away and won't sell them to you because you don't "get it".

How does one "spread the love" in the scene, when your only intentions are scoring drugs?

 

[SKL]

Re: the darknet replacing the lot scene

The darknet has been around for how long? A decade maybe, although there were some rough antecedents back to the late 90s, but in the strict sense of darknet, I guess only since Silk Road, so 4-5 years?
The lot scene has been around for how long? 40 years?

Now, granted, there will be some cross-pollination between the two, but if you know what you're doing, it's probably best to stay with the tried and true.

Bluelight is here to talk about how to use drugs with harm reduction, NOT how to buy drugs with harm reduction (that doesn't really exist).

This is an arguable point and if the mods want to delete this it's at their discretion and I apologize for overstepping the bounds. But we have other threads about safely copping dope in the hood (from basic stuff about doing the transaction to avoiding attention to your car going even as far as recommending doing business with Hispanics and not Blacks, which is generally not a bad rule of thumb), about testing E pills before buying, about using Tor and encryption and stuff like that, and there area a ridiculous number of rather open references to "the darknet," including buying psychedelics from it and a lot fairly indiscreet references although not by name to various actors in that scene. TBH I wouldn't have tolerated that when I was modding this forum, but I guess things evolve, I don't really think mine is too far out there in discussing the social aspect of scoring drugs in a different scene.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Dude don't get me in a pissing match on things we've done to get drugs that may or may not seem shady. you will probably lose.


Maybe you see it as this because your experience with what you admitted above isn't the best way to acquire drugs?


How does one "spread the love" in the scene, when your only intentions are scoring drugs?

I wasn't trying to have a pissing match, I don't know where that came from... I was simply expressing that I've literally only bought a festival ticket for the purpose of acquiring and experiencing drugs in that setting. Obviously there are cheaper and better ways to get drugs, but the afore mentioned hippie-assholes make it a real pain, and I'm not a big fan of trying to use the darknet.

And when I'm talking about 'spreading the love', I mean that in decades past hits of acid were free or only pocket change, and now they're at best 10 bucks a piece if you don't buy in bulk, and IF you can find someone willing to sell to you. The supposed dead-head scene is rife with people who won't help you out simply because they think 'you don't get it', that because you have a job and you don't give up everything to follow sub-par jam bands you somehow don't know anything about life. I find it disgusting that people who act like they're all-knowing find it so hard to believe that the infinite complexities of life can lead acid users to various places. Is it not the inherent lesson of psychedelics that life is infinite and acceptance of other world views is the first step towards understanding??

And I'm not saying I go to festivals to spread the love either; I don't have connections for drugs, so I'm not gonna be there giving out for free my last few hits of acid... but I do give out my psychedelics for free whenever I meet people who want to do them. I'm not saying they should be free by nature, but that the scene is commercialized as hell now and that when it started, it was about sharing the experience and getting everyone on the same plane and not about furthering their own desires to be a bum and follow a jam band. I'm saying that people used to inherently believe in the power that LSD had to change society, and they just wanted to get it out there, and they didn't make so much capital from it; now rather, it's the opposite, and people don't want to expand the movement, it's inclusive only to those who are already in it or who embrace a lazy-bum lifestyle. I tried to become a part of the festival scene, I really did, but tickets are unbelievably expensive, and the people I've met there aren't really that keen on letting new people in.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Re: the darknet replacing the lot scene

The darknet has been around for how long? A decade maybe, although there were some rough antecedents back to the late 90s, but in the strict sense of darknet, I guess only since Silk Road, so 4-5 years?
The lot scene has been around for how long? 40 years?

There are biblical references to drug use, I'd say the "lot scene" has been around a little longer than a measly 40 years. I know you mean specifically LSD and such, but realistically there has always been a place to get drugs and always will be. The demand will make it so.

This is an arguable point and if the mods want to delete this it's at their discretion and I apologize for overstepping the bounds. But we have other threads about safely copping dope in the hood (from basic stuff about doing the transaction to avoiding attention to your car going even as far as recommending doing business with Hispanics and not Blacks, which is generally not a bad rule of thumb), about testing E pills before buying, about using Tor and encryption and stuff like that, and there area a ridiculous number of rather open references to "the darknet," including buying psychedelics from it and a lot fairly indiscreet references although not by name to various actors in that scene. TBH I wouldn't have tolerated that when I was modding this forum, but I guess things evolve, I don't really think mine is too far out there in discussing the social aspect of scoring drugs in a different scene.

People post their experiences but that doesn't make it set it stone for truth. Just because some threads walk the line of what is allowed and what isn't doesn't make them true. I don't find your post offensive at all. I also don't think it's a good idea to tell people, "This is the best way to buy drugs", because even if it is for them, 99% of the time it ISN'T for someone else. Buying drugs is a business, not a harm reduction. I don't think anyone is really going to hurt themselves following your tech (unless they get arrested), but like I said it's the music scene that suffers the most from it. Just my 2 cents.

 

[jammin83]

Congrats laika bro. Benzos are a tough dependency to beat man. Props.

I'm about 9 days off some pills myself. Not losing my mind yet so all good.

 

[SKL]

Well, to be fair, being bums and travelling around the country following jambands and trafficking drugs isn't exactly a new phenomenon. But what I think has annoyed both you & I is the idea that there is something egregiously wrong, almost sacrilegious, about buying and selling drugs at concerts or festivals. They aren't the Temple and Christ is not going to drive out the moneychangers. Drugs have always been and will continue to be a part of the scene, but yes, they are more commercialized now which is a shame, but the darknet is even worse, not just commercial, but frankly corporate. But after all, drug trafficking is a nasty business and not charity work. If the original hippie ideas were anti-capitalistic, the Deadhead and post-Deadhead scenes are very capitalistic or at the very least people looking to do "work" at a subsistence level (of course in this scene subsistence also covers gas money and tickets and maybe hotel rooms) ... you're unlikely to find that slinging heady veggie burritos and pulled pork anymore. Enter drug trafficking as the easiest way to support the lifestyle and whatever other habits people have picked up (more of these people than you'd think are legit junkies.) But regardless, they provide a much desired product and service, at risk for themselves, they deserve just compensation, but the ones that are out to rip people off are scum. What I've been talking about ITT is separating the wheat from the chaff.

There are biblical references to drug use, I'd say the "lot scene" has been around a little longer than a measly 40 years. I know you mean specifically LSD and such, but realistically there has always been a place to get drugs and always will be. The demand will make it so.

Yeah by the "lot scene" I specifically mean the phenomenon that started in the 70s and really blew up in the 80s-90s with the Dead and later Phish.

As far as biblical references to drug use unless you are practicing eisegesis on "every herb ..." and "acacia" and so forth the only one that springs to mind is the reference to φαρμακεία (from whence our "pharmacology"), in the Apocalypse, which is usually rendered as "witchcraft" or "sorcery," but really more properly means divination by potions (sounds a lot like ayahuasca, which of course was not part of the 1st century Palestinian milieu but perhaps it should give the Christian pause about indulging in psychedelics ...)

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I've just been spurned by some people from the scene in the past. Perhaps I'm overreacting about my dislike of the festival scene as a whole. Like I said, I don't think people should have to give shit out for free, there are costs involved in production, etc., but that distaste for people who aren't there yet is going to keep those people out and I hate that exclusion. How the hell is one supposed to start going for the music if they can't even find some level of acceptance in the crowd? (admittedly, I wouldn't go see a jam band sober, I think drugs are a necessary entanglement)

 

[w01fg4ng]

^ I'm so over smoking DMT. I'm definitely going to be drinking ayahuasca again someday though...

I wasn't trying to have a pissing match, I don't know where that came from...

No worries. I'm just competitive at times.

 

[Speed King]

^^^ SKL’s guide to being a poser and how to lose your happiness sounds more accurate to me.

Apparently, the only thing the internet/darknet has done for some people is make them forget how act normal in a social setting. Going to a show with the only intention being to buy drugs is about the most anti-social thing I can think of doing. You might as well be on the darknet if that’s all you are there for.

Go to a show THAT YOU ACTUALLY ENJOY. You might have fun! You might make real friends. You might even score some good drugs by happen chance. Live life for crying out loud!

Take it from someone who lives right next door to Red Rocks, one of the best and popular venues with an insane line up and drugs to boot, going to a show to for drugs only is about the least fun most annoying activity I can possibly think of. You will suffer. It will suck. It will not be fun. If you follow SKL's instructions you are likely to work very hard for days, maybe weeks on end and have nothing to show for it except maybe you have polished up on your acting skills and maybe you want to be an actor someday then I guess his guide is worth something...

And now I’m off to the health food store to buy some magnolia bark extract. Easy purchase right down the street for me. Thanks SONN!

I understand where you're coming from. I would consider going to a show ONLY to score, very shallow on my part.
When I go to a show, it's for the show. I like who I see. I do also understand his point. If I was desperate, I might see a show for the percs associated with that show and scene. I can't see that happening. That's not how I roll.

I saw a Phish show for all the right reasons. Everything about it was right and I scored to boot. I felt at home. The only way to describe it is beautiful. Now that's my idea of going to a show.
By the way, nice, living by Red Rocks. I can't wait to see a show there.

 

[Just A Guy]

Awesome, man -- it's nigh time for me to see a good show; will be Oct 3rd when I catch Cirrus Minor (great great local band -- I have high expectations).

 

[Speed King]

^^nice shout out to local bands.
Very nice back and forth thread by the way.
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[SKL]

^Okay, this is killing me; what on Earth is a custie?? A noob to the jam band scene or something?

Oh, and an obiter dictum: the Grateful Dead record a song that at least in some interpretations is about custies 1969, although this was well before the term or the lot scene as we know it today existed. Apparently Cosmic Charlie is a satire on the massive influx of newcombers and outsiders into the Haight-Ashbury. Go on home, your mama's calling you ...

Also, I got to thinking about the symbiotic relationship between the custie and the dealer, both of whom wolfgang probably sees as unwelcome interlopers into his musical scene, and I can sort of see why. Both are arguably bad elements attracted by drugs, and both, attract one another. It's the same supply/demand chicken-and-egg scenario. But of course, as the music lends itself to drugs and the drugs follow the music and people who desire the drugs do the same, the whole interrelationship between all three: commerce, drug-taking, and music-following, becomes ouroboric. But if people conduct themselves responsibly, i.e. behaving as professionals on the supply side and not behaving obnoxiously while intoxicated on the consuming side, I don't really understand why this should offend anybody. This is part and parcel with the scene.

As for being a poseur, well, all of had to get started somewhere and the best way to do that is to do your research before jumping headlong into the unknown, least you get taken advantage of or otherwise embarrassed. Frat boy types who show up at festivals looking for drugs and loose women are a different story, but I think I covered that in my first post.

BTW catch me at the MSG shows y'all.

 

[coelophysis]

Has that been your avatar for a while SKL? Or did you recently update it?

 

[SKL]

Has that been your avatar for a while SKL? Or did you recently update it?

Updated it around the time I came back from my latest absence from Bluelight. Before that it was an ouroboros, before that it was terrapins. And you did a name change, too, right? (I just did an abbreviation.) Not quite sure who you are but I think I remember you under a different name... (ed. never mind I found it ...)

 

[pharmakos]

i'm going to be getting an ouroboros tattoo....

i was thinking about chemistry, was thinking about the resonance structure of benzene, and how the way the electrons flow ends up almost being like an ouroboros (snake eating its own tail if any lurkers reading this are unaware). i was bored, so i decided to look up the "ouroboros" wikipedia article. one of the links under "contents" was "chemistry" so i of course immediately jumped ahead to that section. there, i read this:

Chemistry

The German organic chemist August Kekulé described the eureka moment when he realized the structure of benzene:

I was sitting, writing at my text-book; but the work did not progress; my thoughts were elsewhere. I turned my chair to the fire and dozed. Again the atoms were gamboling before my eyes. This time the smaller groups kept modestly in the background. My mental eye, rendered more acute by the repeated visions of the kind, could now distinguish larger structures of manifold conformation: long rows, sometimes more closely fitted together; all twining and twisting in snake-like motion. But look! What was that? One of the snakes had seized hold of its own tail, and the form whirled mockingly before my eyes. As if by a flash of lightning I awoke; and this time also I spent the rest of the night in working out the consequences of the hypothesis.

turns out that i wasn't the first person to see the connection between the ouroboros and benzene, one of the most important functional groups in both organic chemistry and biology. i had an advantage over August Kekulé, though, in that I knew the structure ahead of time -- August Kekulé was living in a time when chemists were able to isolate benzene and determine its empirical formula, but they had no idea how the fuck those 6 carbons and 6 hydrogens fit together.

did some more googling and i found this webpage: https://metumipsum.wordpress.com/

containing this image:

i'm totally going to steal the idea and use it for a tattoo.