☮ Social ☮ PD Social Distancing Talk Thread: Swirly Congregation That's 100% Pandemic-Proof

[somnilicious]

And by that token, what harm do you see me being able to commit by not wanting to be his friend? (@psy997 )

What weirds me out is that on the internet it has become acceptable for someone like xammy to call people faggots and want to burn the place down, yet it's not ok for someone like me to call them out on it.

I don't think there is anything wrong with you not wanting to be his friend. It is my personal belief that people are wrongly projecting anger, resentment and hate towards proponents of political ideologies. I hate to say it but especially the right. The left takes the PC talk a little too far and in response Trump has made it trendy and popular to direct hate towards people with left leaning ideologies. They aren't even the problem but Trump has made large numbers of people believe that the left is out to destroy America and that they are the source of all the problems we are now facing in America but I don't want to turn this into a political argument. I usually try to ignore the rants of those politically opposed to me but this is probably not the strong or right stance to take.

“Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph.” — Haile Selassie

“The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people.” — Dr Martin Luther King Jr

“Washing one’s hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.” — Paulo Freire

“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” — Elie Wiesel

 

[perpetualdawn]

I like your quotes @somnilicious

 

[somnilicious]

I like your quotes @somnilicious

They have never had more relevance or carried more weight and importance than they do today. It is our responsibility to speak out or we risk allowing injustice and oppressive powers to prevail.

Unfortunately the right is actively involved in a powerful campaign of misinformation in an effort to confuse the masses and make the oppressors appear to be the oppressed in the eyes of the public. It's funny that Trump speaks so much about the media and fake news because the republican party has now whole heartedly embraced the dissemination of blatantly false information for political purposes. I have never seen such direct acceptance of misinformation to further political agendas. It's not even a question of opposing political slants or viewpoints any longer. The right has begun to spread direct misinformation, fake news and blatant lies, while accusing the democrats of doing that for which the republican party is now engaged as a matter of policy. It is a brilliant, perverse and disgusting political maneuver, for which they are appallingly unabashed and surprisingly quiet successful.

It's a scary time to live in and I hate to see what lengths Trump will go to if he is able avoid any consequences for his continued actions. He'll think he can do anything he wants and I'm afraid he will do things that will make people(republicans/independents) wish they had stood up and done something about when they could have. People need to wake up, drop their political bias/prejudices bullshit and vote to end this or it might be too late and then we will really suffer the consequences. I have historically voted republican and I almost voted for Trump(didn't vote) but I was able to see the real man for who he was and couldn't with good conscience vote for such a man. He is not somebody who we should intrust to be in power. I totally understand why some people feel the way they do about the left but entering into a faustian deal with Trump is dangerous. Unfortunately I will never vote republican again. They all sold out and continue to do so. Not one of them has the moral backbone to stand up and do what is right.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Boss threw me in as one of the Pastry Chefs tonight which i haven't done in years. Also never at a place where I have to plate with such precision all the garnishes and whipped cream or syrup etc has to be PERFECT. He yelled at me a few times and threw my plate I made in the garbage "DO IT AGAIN RIGHT THIS TIME CHARLIE" holy fuck it's been stressful, lol. I feel like my Boss might be moving me to this station permanently so i gotta get my shit together and practice when it's slow. Alot of these other chefs went to culinary school for years to learn all this and I didn't have that luxury, but I can still run with the best of them. Thankfully I catch onto stuff fast.

 

[somnilicious]

Boss threw me in as one of the Pastry Chefs tonight which i haven't done in years. Also never at a place where I have to plate with such precision all the garnishes and whipped cream or syrup etc has to be PERFECT. He yelled at me a few times and threw my plate I made in the garbage "DO IT AGAIN RIGHT THIS TIME CHARLIE" holy fuck it's been stressful, lol. I feel like my Boss might be moving me to this station permanently so i gotta get my shit together and practice when it's slow. Alot of these other chefs went to culinary school for years to learn all this and I didn't have that luxury, but I can still run with the best of them. Thankfully I catch onto stuff fast.

Lol.... Damn bro!! Sounds stressful. I know what its like to work in a kitchen. I worked in a fine dinning restaurant for a few years. I had never worked in a kitchen before at the age of 35. Everyone else went to culinary school but I definitely held my own and then some but I mostly worked the front of the house. I did work the back and line sometimes. I liked the fast paced environment. Do you want to make the move to pastry? Sounds like you have definitely been making some positive steps in life lately. How have you been doing with the dope cravings? I keep using several times a week, since I began this last relapse several months ago and it's kicking my ass. I hate all the money I'm spending and it is totally fucking up my mood(depression and anxiety) and sleep patterns. Im hoping to get a sheet of 1cp-LSD to microdose so that I can work on the issues that keep making me want to use. The LSD-25 that I was getting off the street was a lot pricier in comparison and if 1cp-LSD compares favorably then I would be very happy to have it at the price it's going for.

I brewed up some San Pedro today. I turned about 4ft of cacti into about 60oz of Juice that I just started chugging. I'm really hoping that I get a real feel for a full mescaline trip. I think I just barely scratched the surface last time and I'm excited to try and go deeper.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Lol.... Damn bro!! Sounds stressful. I know what its like to work in a kitchen. I worked in a fine dinning restaurant for a few years. I had never worked in a kitchen before at the age of 35. Everyone else went to culinary school but I definitely held my own and then some but I mostly worked the front of the house. I did work the back and line sometimes. I liked the fast paced environment. Do you want to make the move to pastry? Sounds like you have definitely been making some positive steps in life lately. How have you been doing with the dope cravings? I keep using several times a week, since I began this last relapse several months ago and it's kicking my ass. I hate all the money I'm spending and it is totally fucking up my mood(depression and anxiety) and sleep patterns. Im hoping to get a sheet of 1cp-LSD to microdose so that I can work on the issues that keep making me want to use. The LSD-25 that I was getting off the street was a lot pricier in comparison and if 1cp-LSD compares favorably then I would be very happy to have it at the price it's going for.

I brewed up some San Pedro today. I turned about 4ft of cacti into about 60oz of Juice that I just started chugging. I'm really hoping that I get a real feel for a full mescaline trip. I think I just barely scratched the surface last time and I'm excited to try and go deeper.

Well I really enjoy plating and baking so I wouldn't mind getting moved back here. Just got done plating 120 pieces of pie the last hour and dressed them up. Really happy tonight is over I have been worried about it all week. Hope that works out with the 1cP-LSD sounds like a great Psych, should also look into finding some 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MET. I'd personally suggest those as some first RC's to explore as well. Was thinking about taking some LSD tomorrow but I'm going entirely to hard lately. I just love it so much, tripping makes me feel so pure and filled with Love. I'm gonna try and wait 4-5 days if I can make it happen.

Have been taking pretty low doses tho so my tolerance isn't completely fucked. Probably trip Acid and dose 4-AcO-DMT on the peak see how far out that one can take me haven't tried that mix-up but I'm sure it will be something divine wanna wait till I come all the way up on the LSD because I'm theorizing it will have me so Euphoric the come up from the Psilacetin will be irrelevant and once they make love together I'll be swallowed up by fractals and become one with all, should be majestic.

 

[Vastness]

It is my personal belief that people are wrongly projecting anger, resentment and hate towards proponents of political ideologies.

Could not agree with this more. Although I would venture to say that this extends to ideologies that transcend politics - such as with Greta Thunberg, and the climate change issue, which yes is heavily politicised, but it's not a political issue in and of itself.

In this case, again, I would hazard a guess that if there was a child of similar age advocating for global drug policy reform, the end of prohibition, and speaking passionately at the UN or whatever other international organisations - we would all be championing them and talking about what a good thing they were doing and how great it was that someone felt so strongly about the cause to be able to do this. This would be true, I think, even if this person had been placed there by capitalistic organisations behind the scenes and hoping to profit off the massive amounts of money to be earned from legal dealing in psychoactive drugs - although we wouldn't call them a "puppet", we'd just say they had help.

On the other hand, with Greta Thunberg, people say she's "just" a puppet, "allowing herself to be used by people" (not just directed at you @psy997, although I am vaguely quoting you here, have heard these views expressed many times), or that they just don't like her, when in actual fact, in all likelihood, it's that they just don't like the ideas she is presenting. Of course, it doesn't make any sense to say one doesn't like her though - no-one here, presumably, actually knows her! We just know the ideas she speaks. As in all things, when it comes down to it, the individual is immaterial - ideas are what truly matter.

The same could be said of Donald Trump, or Boris Johnson, or any other abhorred right wing politician - or, perhaps, controversial capitalist, like Elon Musk - so many times I hear people saying "I really don't like Donald Trump", "I really hate Elon Musk", or whatever polarising figure on whatever side of this illusory left/right divide. But, IMO, it makes no sense to direct hatred at people who one doesn't even know - or, arguably, even towards people one does know, although this is for sure easier to understand.

No-one's actions arise unbidden from the vacuum, but are a causal result of an accumulation of forces and interactions around them. I don't like the ideas Donald Trump speaks, about dividing society by building walls, or casual advocacy of misogynistic ideas (yeah, I know, locker room talk, whatever, but leading figures should lead by example) - but I don't hate him personally, or even dislike him, I don't even know him. So before anyone accuses me or anyone of leftist bias - no matter what might be true about Donald Trump's inherited wealth or what he did to get to where he is, it's presumably still not an easy job to run multi-billion dollar companies even if you do take full advantage of whatever bankruptcy laws or other leg-ups life throws at you. And who wouldn't take advantage of these things? There are no truly free lunches in life and everyone has their own struggle.

In this sense, I will say in full serious that Donald Trump is an admirable man, just as Greta Thunberg is, and hate or animosity directed towards either of these figures will get us nowhere. We're all human, and we're all carried by whatever forces fate ordained for us, whether that to be born into riches with a silver spoon in one's mouth, or to develop an autistic obsession with the dangers of continuing to pollute the Earth.

None of us have any more inherent value than anyone else. If people choose to do nothing - not participate or help others - that casual misanthropy is their path (@xammy ) - that's OK too and we should not hate them for it. For they did not decide to feel this way out of pure malice, but had this inflicted upon them by the machinations of life and fate.

Like Martin Luther King said also - darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can. Hate cannot drive out hate - only love can.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

And by that token, what harm do you see me being able to commit by not wanting to be his friend? (@psy997 )

What weirds me out is that on the internet it has become acceptable for someone like xammy to call people faggots and want to burn the place down, yet it's not ok for someone like me to call them out on it.

Cmon, he never called anyone a faggot. He simply expressed his nihilism which I think he has plenty of reason to believe.

I understand where you’re coming from. I want climate change to stop, I live below sea level. But I really have to agree with the “it’s out of my hands” sentiment.

 

[perpetualdawn]

@Cream Gravy? yeah he did, "faggot politicians" was the exact phrase he used.

Yeah it's true that it's "out of our hands" to a large extent, because of the scale of the problem, the solution depends on very high level cooperation between governments, ie we need to get behind the politicians that are going to move forward on this. Don't be surprised if it means that we're going to have to pay some tax on our gasoline. We can't expect things to change without having to make any changes.

We really can't go on like this without turning this planet into more and more of a biological wasteland. We could keep the rager party going for a few more years, or we could figure out how to clean up the house so that it's still a nice place to be 100 years from now. The thing is, we absolutely have that choice right now, and being nihilistic about it and saying we should just burn the house down is one choice that I just can't agree with or make friends with.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Fair enough.

I didn’t see the word faggot earlier. But I’ve been on BL mobile the past few days and it’s hard to see everything.

 

[Img_9999]

Yeah, it's not the most tasteful word to casually throw around, but also keep in mind that English isn't Xammy's first language. Translated words lose some of their weight. If I remember correctly you speak Portuguese, right? I'm sure you can then agree with what I mean.

Not trying to excuse anyone from posting homophobic slurs, but when you are not writing on your own language sometimes it doesn't sound as offensive. I prefer to assume that he is not a homophobe. I really can see where you are coming from, Perpetualdawn and essentially share the sentiment. We really do seem to be at a turning point as a society. And defeatist attitudes are not what we need now. We need to take action, and compromise ourselves with the future, it we wanna see a future.

But as CG and others already said, it's also easy to see how someone would be caught up in despair. "Wanting to see the world burn" maybe sounds too apologetic, or a way to disguise one's own nihilism as some sort of cynical chaos-hedonism, but I'm sure it was just a rhetorical, and not a literal remark. I'm sure no one, no one at all really wants to found themselves in the suffering that would be a climate apocalypse. No one wants to see their loved ones suffer, and even the most individualistic want to survive and live well.

Edited for grammar mistakes: English is not my first language either !

 

[perpetualdawn]

Yeah good point regarding the language. I forgot about Xammy not being native english speaker. Even with native english speakers words can carry different weight and meaning depending on the person's milieu, so I'll try to suspend my judgement. I've been trying to couch my sentiments with phrases like "he sounds like an asshole" rather than "he is an asshole" because that's exactly the case when someone talks like that, and I'm sure I could sit down and have a beer with Xammy anyways when it comes right down to it.

 

[Xorkoth]

Also you know there's a think in American English like for example in South Park where "fag" is used a lot but it's not meant homophobically...in fact there was an episode about getting the word changed to mean something else (I think it just shouldn't be used by the way, because of what it already means to people). My little brother and his friends all used "fag" to mean sort of like saying "asshole" and none of them meant it homophobically, when they were younger... it was just their colloquial slang. To further complicate matters, if you're observing English as a non-native speaker living in a different country, in Britain people say "fag" to mean cigarette and as far as I know people don't use it to refer to gay people at all.

Even so let's try to keep that off of here, okay? ❤

I spend a lot of time in the CEPS forum and I really, really do not want this lovely place echoing the rage and fighting that goes on in there and basically everywhere else on the Internet these days. It's very intense, frightening times in the world, to be sure... we really have to remember that they want us to think we are each others' enemies, but it's not true. The more we divide ourselves, the more they will get their way. Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book.

 

[Img_9999]

Sitting down to have a beer with any of you would be a good time, I reckon.

 

[Xorkoth]

Oh man, tomorrow we're heading to West Virginia to go to the studio, and get situated... then Sunday morning we're hitting the start of full-time album recording, Sunday through Thursday. Gonna leave with a full-length album. I'm gonna be working my regular job from there too, I managed to get Monday mostly off, Sunday and Monday are when we are going through each song and getting the drum and scratch tracks down. Then the rest of the time will be spent overdubbing our parts, then solos, then anything extra we have time for. I've been working SO hard lately... looking forward to having an album with this band.

 

[Img_9999]

That's so exciting Xorkoth ! Yesterday I got together with my bandmates and we had practice for the first time in over a month. I left the practice feeling so happy ! I had really been missing that. We also finished composing a song we were working on before the forced hiatus, and I really like how it turned out. So far we have eight songs, we want to record a demo and get out there more to play some gigs. Also looking forward to that.

 

[xammy]

wow my benzed out rant got really out of proportion here.

1) I never thought how insulting the world "faggot" could be - I never thought anything about homosexuality when I wrote it. I've been in internet since I was 7 years old and mostly in online gaming scene, and that word doesn't have that meaning at all. I've sucked dick myself... so no homophobic stuff here. :D

2) That Greta pic I think is more of a meme of how we're told since 80's or something that we have so and so many months or years left.

3) That "some men just want to watch the world burn" is a meme. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn

4) We live in a different societies so I'm speaking from my own view of local news, country, government stuff etc. We have a lot of pro-green people, even as members of parlaments, who are really hypocritical persons. They push all kinds of climate related stuff and and the same time they flight every other month to abroad for vacations etc. Which is why it seems like a trend nowadays. This climate related stuff and laws has been here in news so much lately that it's getting ridiculous and there are lot of stuff that is not really helping the climate, it's just making things worse for our ordinary working people, country and domestic companies which would push them to move production to elsewhere.

 

[Xorkoth]

That's awesome! Yeah man the band life is where it's at for me, it's so clear to me it's what I'm supposed to be doing, nothing else has ever come close to providing the level of fulfillment and excitement that it does. We've been taking a semi-hiaitus from gigs for the last month and a half so we could get ready for the studio, we did play one really great gig a couple of weeks ago, and I played one with my other band. But this summer we played played 40 gigs, and next year we have substantially mroe than that lined up. Including quite a few music festivals. Being on the road is the best thing ever. I'm excited for you to start to get to play gigs, Img. I don't know how much experience you have with it in the past. But it does SO much for your learning. I'd say I finally started getting in the groove and feeling like "hey, I'm doing this, I'm a professional musician" fairly recently, towards the end of the summer.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Shit won't be solved untill people stop their materialistic ways and realise that they don't really need to to be some where else and can just leave their car in the garage.

That's too simplistic, Aeon. It's my personal tendency as well to shut down the system when shit seems to go down, which is why I'm a recluse at the moment and have allowed a hangover to mess with festivity timing.. But you can't expect squares to leave behind their cars, that's just not how human psychology works.

 

[Chris Timothy]

I fucking hate this climate change shit discourse that media is spamming now. Our government is also making up all kind of taxes to gasoline, flying tickets, meat, forcing vegan food and whatnot. Even if our whole country committed suicide it wouldn't make a difference for global scale of things. Theyre saying we should be an example etc but China doesn't give a fuck about our examples. These people are creating hysteria and some not so smart people are actually suffering from "climate anxiety" I think it's about to be on ICD list, lol. These goverment faggots are talking about how bad is it now to warm your house with wood when they sold our electricity infra to foreign investors and we pay astronomical bills for it and they keep rising the bills every year. They can suck my dick.

And honestly, I don't even care. I'm that selfish. Some men just want to see the world burn.

Yes that's the vibe I express through music. I switched camps philosophically when it turned out people high up actually listen to what I have to say. Makes for a nice trippy experience, a kind of game to see who can solve the puzzle first.