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TheAppleCore said:
In the category of good news, my order of 4-HO-MiPT has recently arrived. :) Very excited to do some experimentation this weekend.
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How did the experiment go? I've found 4-HO-MiPT to be a bit too stimulating for me, I'm always a bit nervous and feel uneasy on it.

Yesterday I had the most wonderful 4-AcO-DMT trip (20 mg insufflated) and hands down it's for me the best psychedelic there is (well DMT too, but they are so different). The calm, serenity, bliss, spirituality and insights are just out of this world. It feels like it's the perfect psychedelic for my mind, I've never had any bad experiences with it. No bodyload whatsoever, no nausea, it just feels so clean it's unbeliavable. Sure it's very sedating for me, almost opiat'ish, but I've learned to love just that feeling of inner peace and glowing warmth.
 
^ Yes, I have a strong suspicion that using downers as a form of coping with a lifestyle that is excessively stressful to begin with, is not the right way to do things.




Cyanoide said:
How did the experiment go? I've found 4-HO-MiPT to be a bit too stimulating for me, I'm always a bit nervous and feel uneasy on it.
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Wonderfully. :) Although, extremely light. Over the course of maybe a couple hours I ended up insufflating 40 mg, which placed me at an upper ++. Maybe the nasal ROA just doesn't work very well for this substance? Next time I'll be using oral.

It was an absolutely gorgeous day out today, so I just took my little miprocin head and bopped around the local wilderness reserve. Low dose psychedelics, nature, and perfect weather are an astoundingly wonderful combination. I tend to get a lot of thinking done, freely exploring whatever concept intrigues me at the moment. Like today I was thinking about why most conversation bothers me. I decided that it was because I viewed silence as a blank canvas. Whenever the silence is broken by words being spoken, it is analogous to a mark being made on the canvas with black ink. And, just as you cannot make a beautiful image by marking up the entire canvas into a big black nothing, there is a certain aesthetic value in allowing conversation "room to breathe", by allowing silence, if only for a few moments here and there. Most people completely miss this point, and turn conversation into an offensively ceaseless and relentless string of vocalization.

I know, I'm weird.
 
imo

most human conversations are a race to the punch line of a joke

the problem is we're all trying to tell our own jokes =p

ultimately its a drive to make the other person laugh though

(the "joke" might be a piece of information that is revelatory. i laugh at revelations.)
 
^ Very interesting idea, nightwatch! I'm going to have to give that one some thought. I think you really may be on to something, actually.
 
TheAppleCore said:
I'm going to have to give that one some thought.
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and right away we have an alternate reason for why conversation can be annoying :)

in an information transfer (conversation :P) the receiving consciousness sometimes integrates ideas slower than the transmitting consciousness can verbalize them.

silence helps the receiving party integrate

also, on a different tangent.... sometimes the second party interrupts before the first party gets to the punchline bit of the information.
 
"sim sala bim" makes me think "sim sala bim ba, baasala doosala dimba"

i.e. "say the magic words..." in tool's german cookie recipe

good song
 
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Very interesting.

The Chinese word for "nature" is tzu-jan, which means "that which is so of itself". Which means, that which does not have a creator. Which is sometimes how we use the word nature, as in the divide between man's technologies and nature. Nature is everything which was not engineered with a purpose by an intelligent being. So, this immediately makes me think: Western religion hates the very concept of nature, as is understood in the Chinese way of thinking! By attributing everything to an all-knowing creator, as in the Western sense of God, we are turning everything into one giant machine. Nothing is "so of itself" in this worldview.
 
TheAppleCore said:
Very interesting.

The Chinese word for "nature" is tzu-jan, which means "that which is so of itself". Which means, that which does not have a creator. Which is sometimes how we use the word nature, as in the divide between man's technologies and nature. Nature is everything which was not engineered with a purpose by an intelligent being. So, this immediately makes me think: Western religion hates the very concept of nature, as is understood in the Chinese way of thinking! By attributing everything to an all-knowing creator, as in the Western sense of God, we are turning everything into one giant machine. Nothing is "so of itself" in this worldview.
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God is the so of itself in this worldview. I'm definitely vibing with your sentiment though, Western thought has always been about imposing order and logic onto things, making us into machines. Just look at our cities and suburbs, paved roads, nothing but concrete and steel and the complete rejection of all that is natural. The natural is only allowed in gardens, parks, and whatnot, which are consciously arranged so that they reflect orderliness and all that is good in Plato's World of Forms.

Your theory of conversation was pretty good too.

In other news, I don't even remember posting last night, ha. Probably should have stopped after the first bottle, but whatevs. It's nice to have reality punctuated like that, I don't like it when things are continuous, and offensively drag into each other toward tedious infinity. There must be destruction and renewal to keep things interesting.
 
Never Knows Best said:
God is the so of itself in this worldview. I'm definitely vibing with your sentiment though, Western thought has always been about imposing order and logic onto things, making us into machines. Just look at our cities and suburbs, paved roads, nothing but concrete and steel and the complete rejection of all that is natural. The natural is only allowed in gardens, parks, and whatnot, which are consciously arranged so that they reflect orderliness and all that is good in Plato's World of Forms.
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Heh. Reminds me of my dad, endlessly obsessing over his lawn, trying to mend the bare patches by planting grass seed and watering it, spending hours plucking the "weeds", etc. Compared to the natural growth in our local wilderness reserve, his lawn looks like shit, and nobody ever plucks the "weeds" from the reserve.

In other news, I don't even remember posting last night, ha. Probably should have stopped after the first bottle, but whatevs. It's nice to have reality punctuated like that, I don't like it when things are continuous, and offensively drag into each other toward tedious infinity. There must be destruction and renewal to keep things interesting.
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Dissociatives seem to work well for the destruction and renewal thing. I usually come out of a dissociative trip almost feeling like being "born again", or something. Although psychedelics seem to do something that could be called "destruction and renewal" as well -- for me, usually a painfully anxious comeup, then at the peak I finally come to terms with the drug and stop fighting it, and then enter a blissful state of peace.
 
tac said:
Dissociatives seem to work well for the destruction and renewal thing. I usually come out of a dissociative trip almost feeling like being "born again", or something. Although psychedelics seem to do something that could be called "destruction and renewal" as well -- for me, usually a painfully anxious comeup, then at the peak I finally come to terms with the drug and stop fighting it, and then enter a blissful state of peace.
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Indeed, there are many different experiences that can be described like that. Dissociatives I like best perhaps, but they just have to strong of a pull on me mentally and my use ultimately ends up being destructive without long breaks between uses. With gabaergics you might say this occurs at reasonable levels of inebriation, but the death of blackout/involuntary loss of conscsioussness doses can be emotionally refreshing, especially when accompanies by the thoughts one has when dealing with the hangover (I still dislike them, but the more bearable ones can be somewhat productive intellectually).

Now I'm reminded of that post Roger made a couple socials back likening drunkenness to the hero's journey.
 
As someone who understands organic chemistry, aspartame has always scared me. I just watched a (very biased) documentary called "Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World", that was was very interesting. Heavily biased, but interesting, especially about how things work in the fda... and I didn't know Rumsfeld was connected to getting aspartame approved. That's a trip.

Anyway, back to having some brews and going to bed to get less sleep than I should tonight (CURSE YOU DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!).
 
^ Hmm... sounds interesting indeed... although your warning about it being heavily biased puts me off a bit. I can't counter the bias with a knowledge of organic chemistry like you can -- at least, not yet -- I'm working on that. Just scored a used chemistry text on Amazon for ten bucks. :)

I'm nicely alcoholicized now. I barely ever do this. It reminds me of the time I got drunk and spontaneously decided to drop some acid. Was a really unique and great trip. I should do that again sometime soon.
 
my dad drank diet coke more than water all his life... even when working outside through the summer... now he gets horrible headaches all the time... idk if they're connected, but imo they are.
 
The space-time continuum ripped last night, my clock went from 1:59 right to 3:00. I was on my computer doing shit and I was like WTF, it's 3? I've experienced time dilation/restriction but that doesn't feel right, then it clicked that it was Sunday around that time of the year.

Got boshed, overslept, tons of work to do. At least the sun will be up later into the evening.
 
TheAppleCore said:
Wonderfully. Although, extremely light. Over the course of maybe a couple hours I ended up insufflating 40 mg, which placed me at an upper ++. Maybe the nasal ROA just doesn't work very well for this substance? Next time I'll be using oral.
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40 mg insufflated light? Wow, that's a very high dose. It should be a +++ definitely. I insufflated 23 mg a couple of weeks ago and could see sound. On the other hand we might be the opposite with regards to ROA with this compound. My 50 mg trip only kicked in after insufflation (and holy mother of god did it kick in!), the oral doses didn't do much at all.
 
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