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Probably mediocre quality, and a rather small amount (but free's free, I ain't compainin'). I'm saving it for tomorrow when after dogsitting all day I will try to get money to visit a friend on break from uni in LA since he's going back home Sunday (in other words, will have to pull in all nighter if I go).

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I prefer Tetrameth

Not my style, have this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57otUHyV3t0
 
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Sounds good. I'm kind of craving some stimulation, but maybe that's just because 6-APB was really nice for me and I'm excited about using it again on Christmas or New Years.

Might take a line of snuff (tobacco, if that wasn't already obvious) as that gives me quite the kick with my recently lowered tolerance.

I'm still puzzling over how this weed I have is lasting me so long. I've probably mentioned it here before, but if not, I bought 1.5g just over a month ago, shared 0.4 with some others the night I got it, and the other 1.1 has lasted me until today - and I still have say ~0.15 left, should weigh it but drunk and lazy. I've been smoking at least once a week, most weeks 3-4 times, each time I've been extremely stoned for 5-6 hours. My tolerance is low, but not that low, so I'm still trying to work out how this weed is so damn good! Haha :D <3
 
I'm still puzzling over how this weed I have is lasting me so long. I've probably mentioned it here before, but if not, I bought 1.5g just over a month ago, shared 0.4 with some others the night I got it, and the other 1.1 has lasted me until today - and I still have say ~0.15 left, should weigh it but drunk and lazy. I've been smoking at least once a week, most weeks 3-4 times, each time I've been extremely stoned for 5-6 hours. My tolerance is low, but not that low, so I'm still trying to work out how this weed is so damn good! Haha :D <3

You sound like me. I seem to be orders of magnitude more sensitive to weed than other people.



Lately I've been smoking a rather stimulating (sativa, I'm guessing) strain of cannabis, something sometimes criticized as giving an excessively anxious or "paranoid" high. I've come to the conclusion that this criticism is unfair, and actually a complete failure to acknowledge one of the most practical and therapeutic aspects of the more stimulating and potentially anxiogenic strains. At least, in my personal experience, I've noticed that cannabis-induced anxiety almost always seems to be alerting me to a real and important issue that I've somehow learned to ignore in sobriety. It's as if, you spend so much time in sobriety, that you eventually learn all of the loopholes in the sober mind, and all the tips and tricks that you can use to take advantage of these loopholes, and turn a blind eye to a lot of painful things in your life. But when you take marijuana, and suddenly your mind gets a bit of a "reboot" under the influence of cannabinoids, those loopholes are gone and the old tricks don't work on the new pony, and you actually have to face reality, which sometimes can reveal that you've clearly got some problems that you need to address! And suddenly realizing that you've been cheating yourself and slacking and taking the easy way out, manifests itself in something called anxiety. This is healthy. Criticizing marijuana as being the source of anxiety, is blaming the bearer of bad tidings.

LOL, yeah, this is a pretty stimulating strain. I never would have gotten past the first sentence on my last strain, let alone write that wall of text.
 
And suddenly realizing that you've been cheating yourself and slacking and taking the easy way out, manifests itself in something called anxiety. This is healthy. Criticizing marijuana as being the source of anxiety, is blaming the bearer of bad tidings

I agree in part, but what about the possibility that this 'sudden realisation' is based on an amplified misinterpretation caused by a drug? To me, a highly anxious state of mind is the problem. I can see how it may be possible to see something therapeutic in being stoned, but the ultimate point of therapy is to reach a state of calm and peace by presumably dealing with or accepting 'lifes' shortcomings, something hard to do in an emotionally unrealistic state. I'd love to see someting deeper in the neurotic mindset that pot brings about (in me) but I honestly think that type of reasoning is flawed. If you really only notice your anxiety and flaws when your stoned, I'd wager that the aggravating factor is the weed in the first place. Bear in mind, this is something competely personal to me (YMMV) but I find justifying drugs use as self improvement is the flimsiest of illusions. Drugs are fun until they stop being so.

Perhaps drug induced realisations are the easy way out, because the problems you may become aware exist purely in an intellectual world, at least until the weed wears off and the apparent intensity of the problems, themselve, recede.
 
Cyanoide, weren't you the only other Spurs fan on the forum? Enjoying this season? I'm loving it haha some of our play is absolutely breathtaking, never seen such quality from a Spurs side. I still think it's too good to be true and it will all crumble before we know it, but I really do hope I'm wrong, especially with 2-4th definitely for the taking based on the other teams current form this season.

That's correct, I'm a huge Spurs fan. The season has been great and I'm delighted Modric didn't fall for the Russian oligarch's money and moved to the other side of London (we're better than that sack of sh!t now anyway, so I think Modric is happy to stay at The Lane. With the addition of Parker, our midfield is at best superb. Ade could be a little better in he's finishes though, we could have easily beaten Villa 5-0.

There's an interesting story behind me becoming a Spurs fan. I visited a relative in Birmingham in -92 and got a Spurs scarf from him. Birmingham of all places! You'd think you'd get a BCF or Villa scarf! Lucily I got a scarf of the world's best team and it's been Spurs since that. I've visited The Lane many times since then and I must say the atmosphere at best is just awesome. COYS!

I'm at my parent's place today, we have relatives from Norway here. So I must take it a bit easy, especially with MXE. I would've liked to take maybe 40-50 mg otherwise but that's just too much when you have to eat dinner with relatives. 10-15 mg is a viable choice though, if nothing else than for boredom, it's boring as hell to be with relatives.
 
Might take a line of snuff (tobacco, if that wasn't already obvious) as that gives me quite the kick with my recently lowered tolerance.

Skip the snuff tobacco and get Swedish snus! It's only allowed by the EU be sold in Sweden (and Denmark in it's loose form), and it's also sold in Norway as the EU ban doesn't affect them. It has also been introducted to other countries, so you can get in in some places in Australia and the US too. It's legal to import it and use it for your own use in Finland (and the rest of the EU), but it's not allowed to be sold here. The cigarette industries rather wants the profit and see people die from lung cancer. Sweden has the lowest rate of lung cancer among men in the world, due to over 1 million Swedish men using snus.

Sweden has the lowest male smoking rate in the European Union. Females in Sweden, who are less likely to use snus, have similar smoking rates to neighboring countries

I skipped smoking by switching to snus. It's probably the safest tobacco product there is. Snus is a moist tobacco powder available either in it's loose powder form (you form it yourself and put it under your upper lip) or pouches (looks like small tea bags with the snus inside. Called Portion snus). I use pouches, it's much easier and less messier. Just put it under your upper lip and enjoy. There are thousands of different flavours but I enjoy the more traditional ones where you really taste the tobacco.

Unlike snuff, chewing tobacco etc you don't spit snus. You put it under you upper lip and do nothing. You swallow the "snus juice" that gives the flavour. Snus is very addictive though and contains much more nicotine than cigarettes. I know have a Skruf Strong Portion pouch under my upper lip, the pouch contains 15 mg nicotine. A normal pouch contains 8 mg nicotine, but since it's absorbed through your gum, it's slowly absorbed and you don't get the whole dose at once. It takes about 30 minutes for all the nicotine to be absorbed. You get a stronger "high" than from cigarettes (those without nicotine tolerance usually vomit the first time, they get a nicotine OD), you don't smell like shit, can take it anywhere anytime and you spare your lungs. There has been no conclusive evidence to show that snus produces cancer either, although there is some debate about that.

Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "May affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

I'm honestly not endorsing using it though, but it really is the least harfmul tobacco product out there if you like tobacco and the nitocine high.
 
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Good afternoon everyone

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Cyanoide, by snuff I meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff

Snorting tobacco, rather than chewing tobacco. I don't think I could enjoy chewing tobacco much. Maybe if I was gurning though.

It's interesting what you said Apple, as I've found in the past when I was in the UK I got over some of my shyness and anxiety by going everywhere stoned - I was so anxious all the time that I got used to just doing everything even when I was anxious, and suddenly when I wasn't, everything was an utter breeze. I suppose that's worth a try here too, hmm...

Not sure if I mentioned this already but I have a working map editor for my isometric game now, it saves the maps too - but currently I haven't written a map loading function. Maybe tonight though :)

http://i.imgur.com/bOdYL.png
 
That creative urge with gaming has always been something that I could never quite grasp. My sister would always spend inordinate amounts of time designing board games from scratch and working within the editors of certain video games to make new things out of it. I've always maintained that I'd rather play a game than make one. Of course I"m not the most artistically driven person ever (though sometimes I do wish I had drawing talent, no it would not be worth the effort to develop it 'cause I"m lazy as fuck).

A wonderful afternoon I've had, a cigar, some whiskey, and a good book (a Mishima novel). A very elegant way to spend one's leisure time, no? :)
 
Programming is a lot more fun than it sounds, particularly if the end result is something cool - it's fixing bugs that's the horribly annoying part, but thankfully I haven't had too much of that yet. If this project keeps going well I might rewrite the start of the evolution simulator I wrote a while back using the new isometric engine, hmm.

That does sound like a nice time Never. I'm tempted to drink some more whiskey tonight but I think I'll probably go for MXE or soberness instead.
 
Cyanoide, by snuff I meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff
Snorting tobacco, rather than chewing tobacco. I don't think I could enjoy chewing tobacco much. Maybe if I was gurning though.
http://i.imgur.com/bOdYL.png

I know what you meant. But you don't chew snus, you just put it on your upper gum (on the left or right side), under your lip, and there it stays. You don't have to do anything. After a while the taste will start spreading through your mouth. I have snus in my mouth all the time besides sleeping, brushing my teeth and eating (you can eat too, snus doesn't fall down from your gum). The downsides are it does some damage to the tissue in my gum so I always switch side every 6 months. And I can't imagine constantly having so much nicotine in my body is good for my blood pressure either.

MXE day today! I don't need scales for 10 mg lines anymore, I've got so used to it I know exactly (well, almost) the size of the line. 35 mg now, feels nice.

I ordered 25I today. It's going to be very interesting to try. I quite intensely disliked 2C-I when I used it many years ago but the NBOMe's are so different and unique I'm hoping for something magic :)
 
Hoho, some cimetidine, now I don't have to spend 14 bucks to just to try it out, it looks like I'll be able to see what the CYP2D6 inhibited DXM experience is about in the near future. Maybe I shouldn't spend all my monies on gas and grab some before I head out to L.A. later (not to use today obviously, but this week fo sho)...
 
I see. As I said, I have a feeling I wouldn't like sublingual/buccal/sublabial with tobacco though. I guess it's worth giving a try some day though, you never know until you try it.

Let us know how the 25I is, I've been seeing so many great reports and I'm itching to try it, but not quite yet. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ_5GFC9WYQ
 
Yeah, I decided to order it now since it seems the authorities are putting quite much effort in banning RC's now. It's still legal but there seems to be an effort by the authorities in the Nordic countries to really crack down on RC's hard now.

Did you know all phenethylamines (including NBOMe's) and tryptamines will be banned in Denmark after 1.1.2012? All of them! I thought we were screwed here in Finland being the first country where MXE is banned but I really feel for the Danes. Many things are good here in the North but I feel sickened about our authorities right now.

After taking stimulants for so many days, MXE was a relief...I have a very mystic feeling right now, listening to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GigN0BJyI-Y
 
Did you know all phenethylamines (including NBOMe's) and tryptamines will be banned in Denmark after 1.1.2012? All of them! I thought we were screwed here in Finland being the first country where MXE is banned but I really feel for the Danes. Many things are good here in the North but I feel sickened about our authorities right now.

I would be interested in seeing the actual phrasing of the law (not that I could understand Danish, lol, but you get what I mean), as there are MANY non-psychedelic compounds that are phenethylamines and tryptamines. I mean, even some amino acids are phens and trypts like phenylalanine, tyrosine, and tryptophan... a bunch of naturally occurring neurochemicals like serotonin, melatonin, and the catecholamines.

This is one of my primary areas of interest, so I'm gunna use this reply as a springboard into a related topic that I've wanted to generally rap at in the social for a while. :) The topic being that I'm extremely bored with tryptamines and phenethylamines TBH... there are a bunch of heterocyclic alkylamine families out there that are completely unexplored, and most importantly completely and totally legal. I hope the oppressive legislation against phenethylamines and tryptamines just serves to motivate chemists to explore different areas. There are whole universes of thiophenes, furanyls, benzocycloalkylamines, pyranyl/furanyls etc etc.

Only recently have we even gotten decent crystallographic data on the 5-HT2A receptor that allows for accurate computational modeling of new compounds, and the effects of psychedelics on secondary messaging pathways are still being elucidated. I think the golden age of psychedelic chemistry and pharmacology has yet to come, we're living in what essentially amounts to hideously primitive times.

It was less than 150 years ago that Arthur Heffter isolated mescaline from the peyote cactus. Psilocin and psilocybin weren't even isolated from mushrooms until 1958, when they were investigated by Albert Hofmann. Since that time, we have limited our exploration of psychedelic compounds to two classes of compounds (of which the ergolines may be considered a third, but have been historically classified as tryptamines).

We've stepped but a single foot into an incalculably vast domain, which is as of yet totally unexplored. So don't lament about the current situation, because I think it will ultimately serve to spur creativity and give us many new jeweled realms to explore. I can't even begin to emphasize how many materials are out there that look extremely promising and worth exploring; even obvious ones like meta and para subbed dimethoxy thiopropamine and the thiopropamines with a meta methoxy and basically any type of hydrophobic group in the para position, and the thiopropamine with the actual ring sulfur as the hydrophobic para sub and a meta methoxy. (these are really pseudo-descriptors, as thiophene doesn't have true ortho, para or meta positions, but I think if you draw out 3,4-DMA and then draw out thiophene under it, its clear what I mean.. para would be directly across from the alkylamine and meta the non-sulfur position next to it).

Since methiopropamine has demonstrated the analogy between amphetamines and thiopropamines, I'm surprised that this area hasn't been explored -- if the analogy further holds, the meta and para subs should open up the door to a completely unrelated group of compounds in a way analagous to how 3,4-DMA is completely pharmacologically dissimilar to amphetamine (and indeed also to 2,4-DMA and 2,5-DMA which are also simple stimulants). To my surprise, these compounds have not been reported in the literature -- they are just big dark spots on the map right now.

Assuming the analogy holds even further, if you ring constrained the methoxy groups to a methylenedioxy, where the meta oxygen's nonbonding electrons are anti to the para sub, you would probably have compounds active at SERT/NET/DAT (although it may take some fiddling with the ring substitutions because thiophene is lopsided compared to benzene and I'm extrapolating from phen and entactogen SAR). These compounds may even be amenable to substitution at the amine, so that opens up even more territory -- and this is just starting from one parent heterocycle. There's just so damn much you can do, and the actual chemistry of synthesizing heterocyclics is getting more and more defined everyday.

There are many aspects of psychedelics that I'm cynical about, mainly the social and political issues surrounding their usage (legality, vendors selling crap indiscriminately, irresponsible use, etc.)... but I'm finding it extremely hard to be cynical about the actual chemistry and pharmacology that will come along in the future, as long as we take what we've learned from the phens and tryps and use that as a starting point for exploration in other areas I think we are going to strike gold continuously... and learn a great deal about the biochemical nature of the mind in the process.
 
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