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iamthetalker said:
The whole extraction is not a complete flub, but I've probably lost some good product. With our first freeze precipitation the dust actually crashed out but my partner and I didn't have a way to separate the now-clear naptha layer into another container at the time, so some crystal has probably inevitably been caught up in the dust that settled out. However, it is just plant matter, not lye or anything so even if we shrugged and collected the dust as well it should be relatively harmless, no? (The biggest thing I'm worried about would be it throwing off our final numbers for how much actual product we got out of it. I guess we could just collect it separately and do another mini-extraction...)
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These final numbers are sometimes misleading. Extractions can be high yielding but with mediocre quality of the final product or the other way round. I personally would rather have a high quality extract with mediocre yield (well, in reality it's impossible, but pure product in awesome yield would still be preferred :D ), since it is more potent per weight, which compensates part of the loss.
If you did a STB procedure you have your rootbark in a strongly alkaline water phase. Therefore that dust soaked up lye solution and may not be totally harmless. You could get rid of it easily via a filtration step before freeze precipitation. If you already ended with crystals you could redissolve them in clean IPA or acetone, filter that solution and evaporate.
Good luck and enjoy the fruits of your work :)

Oh, to add something totally different: looks like next semester I'll finally have enough time to do those courses over at the pharmacy department I wanted to since 2 years. Yay :)
 
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I hate "cleaning" in general because you always lose some amount of product, but as you said, you can't argue with purity. And our yields should be fairly high as it is. I'm worried filtering before freeze precipitation would result in greater loss of product to the filter than to an acetone wash, so I'll probably precip everything and then wash that in acetone. (Or am I just being paranoid about filtration?)

On an unrelated note, I need some advice, guise. It's a beautiful day outside, a great day for tripping and the lady and I are really feeling it, but I can't decide what to do; 25I-NBOMe is calling out to me, but she doesn't want to try any of the NBOMes yet since she hasn't done any reading on them (which I find fair reasoning in the spirit of harm reduction). She wants to do 2C-D, but I'm just not really feeling it, so I suggested she do that and I crack the blotters of 25I, but she says she doesn't like it when someone's doing something different. So I'm in a pickle; I want to trip with her, and today's a great day, but I don't feel like 2C-D will be very fulfilling for me today, even at 50mg (my intended dose for the next time I do it; I've done 35-40 several times now). Wat do?
 
iamthetalker said:
So I'm in a pickle; I want to trip with her, and today's a great day, but I don't feel like 2C-D will be very fulfilling for me today, even at 50mg (my intended dose for the next time I do it; I've done 35-40 several times now). Wat do?
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I say take the 50mg 2C-D, get on the same wavelength, and wait till you're both ready for 25I.

Tell her to read up on the NBOMes ASAP, though! ;)
 
Anybody here have experience with phenethylamines while taking modafinil (marketed as Provigil in the US and UK)? We have a friend coming to visit who was recently prescribed Provigil to help keep him going at work when he can't get enough sleep, and he wants to trip with us tonight. I'm not seeing much in the way of experiences with the two around the 'net, though their mechanism(s) of action seem to be different enough not to interfere/oversyngergize with each other.
 
uhhh i've got experiences with phens while taking amphetamine/dexedrine, it'll be fine.
I've plain snorted a bunch of speed on the peak of a LSD trip and i was fine...physical effects wouldn't be the concern, i dont think modafinil has any mental stimulant effects (as in, no paranoia/high like speed and meth) so i woudlnt worry about it.
I intend on mixing LSD with smoked methamphetamine as soon as i can.
 
thenightwatch said:
shulgin dosed pretty damn regularly
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Well, Shulgin was one brave soul who tested many chemicals in the name of science. In order to have any decent throughput he had to use regularly, if only to get a basic feel for a chemical's nature.

Also, it's like saying Hunter S. Thompson did tons of drugs and drank a lot and was an accomplished write, ergo it's okay for me to be an alcoholic.

I admit in the peak of my psychedelic using career, it was a friday night ritual with rare exceptions. Sometimes every two weeks, but I tripped weekly for about a year or so. When you first get into them it's hard not to. I have to remind myself that when I read PD. In my old age (:P), I think about tripping that often and it sends chills down my spine, different strokes.

LSDMDMA&10286148 said:
I dont trip often socks (not necessarily completely by choice...)
is that doinitright?
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Not by choice is my case as well, I'd like to trip every now and then but I find it hard to find the situation. It's rare for me to have time on my own these days.

I think it's a matter of when you do find the time to trip to make it worth it, get something rewarding out of it.

I find the only 'trips' I can do around people are stimulant/opiate related, it can be exciting/comforting/euphoric while still being able to socialize. It's still good but it's not really tripping. It's a downside about having a social life; no setting for tripping but it cultivates a good 'set' on a daily basis, which is more than psychedelics have ever done for me. Their glory was always fleeting, although with the underlying fact that a different part of my mind was now accessible.

Heh, ramblings, amphetamine, O-des-tram, diazepam, booze, ethylphenidate, diazepam, and one more bump of EPH. This is my kind of weekend trip these days, fun and sociable, it's aight. :)
 
So, I think I'm gonna try to blast off on DMT with my new Glass VaporGenie tonight.

Supposedly these things are a beast when it comes to vaping DMT, and it's hard to miss a breakthrough. Which makes me both excited and admittedly kind of nervous. :D A DMT breakthrough is nothing to laugh at. O_O

Or, something to uncontrollably laugh at. Depending on if the hyperspace jesters make their appearance.
 
The only reason I have tripped this "frequently" is due to sudden availability and the opportunity being "right". I know I won't have the opportunity again in a while, so I'd like to do what I can while I can. PLUS, a big thing, is that we haven't had anything for over seven months...and it's always been so few and far between before that, too! I just want to enjoy it while I can. :)
 
The bottom of the moon last night was glowing like a Cheshire cat grin, and I felt it an auspicious sign. Decided to do DXM, got a couple bottles of syrup (checked rite aid has no gels either), meant to go for 3rdplateau, but it took me over an hour to get one bottle down and I gave up partway through the second. However, it's been long enough, and the lying down and music listenings let me get to some pretty dissociated thought patterns, visions, and a slight religious experience. So it was a good use. I just can't stomach that damned syrup anymore, here's hoping the opportunity to get MXE is sooner rather than later.

Oh, and I have an automobile again, hoozah!:D I was also totally responsible and put down money to cover the cost of replacement parts rather than lie and save it for drugs. I can be a decent human being sometimes.
 
Never Knows Best said:
I just can't stomach that damned syrup anymore, here's hoping the opportunity to get MXE is sooner rather than later.
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Yeah. I'm not really that experienced with either MXE or DXM, but so far I find that MXE is my favorite. It seems like the high is a lot more content-rich, if you know what I mean. During the course of an MXE high, I'll experience a lot of interesting perspective shifts, and philosophical insights, and personal revelations, which I can clearly recall and comprehend after I come down. Whereas on DXM, I get more of a general weirdness that doesn't really carry over into my sober life at all.

DXM is slightly better at the whole "OMG WTF EXISTENCE IS SOOO WEIRD" kind of thing, though.


Plus, like you implied, it's a breeze to dose MXE. Dosing DXM is a M'F' chore, LMAO.
 
Never Knows Best said:
I was also totally responsible and put down money to cover the cost of replacement parts rather than lie and save it for drugs. I can be a decent human being sometimes.
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The truth always gets you further than a lie ever can.

People can sense when someone is being honest and the level of respect they receive reflects it. Throughout my life, telling the truth has always got me further than lying; even though my lying skills are well honed and often work.

For a psychedelic forum that talks about philosophical truths ad nauseaum, its members should practice what they preach.

NKB, I challenge you to drop your manipulative ways and be an honourable person.

Myself, as I was walking to Quebec to get cheaper booze I met up with a homeless guy on the bridge, he was a cool guy. I emptied my pocket of the $5 in change I had. I often portray myself as a conservative hard ass, but for me to say I don't have anything would have been horribly wrong. Nice guy too, he deserved it.
 
thenightwatch said:
the intro from "a night of serious drinking" by rene daumal.... his other book "mount analogue" was one of the main inspirations for alejandro jodorowsky's film "the holy mountain"
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The holy mountain is one of the most genius movies I have ever seen. (Avant garde). There is a bombardment of symbology, I had to see it like 5 times and still feel like I am missing half of the messages or more. Really it's such a summary of Perennial Philosophy, if a lot of people in the world were to see it and also understand the complex allusions the world would look differently I think.

Coincidentally I saw El Topo yesterday, by the same director. Some comparable themes and absurd styles but in a western setting. Not nearly as good and more incoherent but still promising as a build-up to The Holy Mountain.

I haven't been following this thread but there have been periods when psychedelic use got glorified here and regulars and also mods used incomprehensible combo's and tripped with huge frequency. What I think is that tripping a lot was something I could manage when I was really on quests for myself in the past but as is often said it is harder to integrate the trips if you don't give yourself time to do that inbetween them. I now trip on much more rare occasions and when I do the focus is more on integrating, like the purpose is to catch up with what I started in the past and connect loose ends.

Yeah I think people should be warned that the doors of perception should not be blown off the hinges otherwise you might have a lot of cleaning up to do or learn to live with semi-permanent states of being open, which sounds better than it may actually be in daily life. For myself this means that the positive side is that creativity and free thinking have been cultivated but I have big problems with structure, so much that I have been seeking professional help for a while now. I think tripping way too much and letting everything in general run wild and catalyze and escalate is associated with this, but on the other hand tripping responsibly seems to help me now to get this in better balance. So again this tells me not that psychedelics are good or bad, but powerful tools primarily. Coincidentally they can be a lot of fun, but be sensible and conscious about your use. :)
 
Never Knows Best said:
The bottom of the moon last night was glowing like a Cheshire cat grin
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somehow i thought it wasnt visible like that all over the continent... dont know why i thought that though...

anyway, just caught wind of this most awesomest news ever. a movie that i cant wait to see http://www.dontthinkmovie.com/

and regarding the tripping often ideas, i too feel like solipsis that there are some trends here and there that come to pd, with people doing this or that quite frequently, being tripping, nodding or just getting stimmed up, but these come and go, and i always like to think its more that ther eis a current of talking about such things/topics at a certain time rather than people actually doing them.
its like fashion, just because at a time pink tops are in, doesnt mean everyone out there is wearing one....

sunday. rest day. then, the boss calls and says youve got shit to do by morning. not cool.

send me good vibes people!
 
i still gotta see El Topo

as far as MXE vs. DXM... MXE is better for high doses IMO, and DXM better for low doses. DXM gets really toxic feeling at high doses, but the low dose buzz is so much better than MXE's low dose buzz... and the DXM afterglow is just the best lol :)

been using powder DXM for awhile btw.
 
Never Knows Best said:
The bottom of the moon last night was glowing like a Cheshire cat grin, and I felt it an auspicious sign. Decided to do DXM, got a couple bottles of syrup (checked rite aid has no gels either), meant to go for 3rdplateau, but it took me over an hour to get one bottle down and I gave up partway through the second. However, it's been long enough, and the lying down and music listenings let me get to some pretty dissociated thought patterns, visions, and a slight religious experience. So it was a good use. I just can't stomach that damned syrup anymore, here's hoping the opportunity to get MXE is sooner rather than later.
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You can always do a real simple extraction out of the syrup. I did one over the summer that you can read up on a little bit here in PD and over in BDD (followed the Agent Lemon process). Mixing it in juice and drinking it is bitter, but you can just shoot it. Or you can cap it if you have the patience to boil your mixture down low or go all the way to powder.
 
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