Paris terrorist attacks

[Eveleivibe]

Exactly, 99% of 'proper' Musilms are peaceable people who abhor these attack and are deeply ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with them in any way. The terrorists carrying out these attacks are not Muslims, they are inhumane lunatics commiting atrocities in the name of Alah. They shout "Alah Akbar" whilst about to blow up themselves and everyone around them; these people are completely deluded and brainwashed.

Exactly n it really annoys me when they're attacked just for sharing a religion with people who done this. The attitude is as bad as the Nazis n Nazi propaganda when the public were manipulated against the jews. I don't like all this hatred. It really is very sad in the 21st century but unfortunately, after studying psychology, we know people will continue this way. We know from the Zimbardo experiments that people de-humanise people in order to justify their cruelty towards another person(s).

Evey

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Exactly, 99% of 'proper' Musilms are peaceable people who abhor these attack and are deeply ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with them in any way. The terrorists carrying out these attacks are not Muslims, they are inhumane lunatics commiting atrocities in the name of Alah. They shout "Alah Akbar" whilst about to blow up themselves and everyone around them; these people are completely deluded and brainwashed.

The problem with religious fundamentalists of any flavour is that they see themselves as the only 'true' followers of their religion - which in a way they are, because they take their particular variety of fairy stories literally, rather than regarding them as merely a philosophy of life loosely based upon a few historical facts padded out with metaphors, ideology and pure fantasy - which is the more constructive viewpoint to have and leads to less wars. What I struggle to comprehend is the number of otherwise intelligent young Muslims who still fall for this shit and go off to be jihadists and ensure their place in heaven with 4 and 20 virgins or summat - it defies all logic, and I can only conclude that they are in fact totally retarded with IQs in single digits.

 

[Vurtual]

Please don't think that people in ISIS are just strictly following islam - if anything it's some twisted wahabi-ite version of islam; it's like saying all christians are the same as westboro baptist chruch (the god hates fags mob), or falangists. In actuality, from what i've read the sort of people who make up the various 'jihadi' armies are as likely to be motivated by mercenary considerations as much as anything; money, power, ego, a bit of adventure - sure, dressed up in some religious excuses, but nonetheless the usual boys with their toys. The vast majority of muslims very much do not subscribe to their simplistic cruel verson of islam - this cruel version however does enjoy the support of the saudi regime (and their western masters) and so it gets spread around quite a lot - if only as a gepolitical blunt instrument rather than some holy crusade.

My thoughts to all the people affected (drop in the ocean when you take a worldwide view though and count up our victims - but western dead obviously matter more ('whatabouterry' they call that in the guardian comments ('what about 'whatabouterry'' i say)).

Obviously noone knows yet, but to people pooh-poohing conspiracies - remember operation Gladio? (if not look it up). And even if the people who actually carry something out think they're genuine terrorists it can still be a false flag (they only have to control the 'emir' who gives the orders) - we know this was done in europe in the past as part of gladio (eg getting fascist groups to plant car bombs in italy and blame it on communists).

Here's a sensibly sceptical blog on the attacks: https://theburningbloggerofbedlam.w...-may-have-been-a-staged-false-flag-operation/

Here's an interesting interview about the paris attacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GAbVhjTSw

Have to be careful - even those mild links may get you under suspicion from cameron/may as some sort of 'extremist' (apparently the non-violent ones are the worst ('you know where you are with the violent extremists!')

 

[Droppersneck]

Exactly, 99% of 'proper' Musilms are peaceable people who abhor these attack and are deeply ashamed and embarrassed to be associated with them in any way. The terrorists carrying out these attacks are not Muslims, they are inhumane lunatics commiting atrocities in the name of Alah. They shout "Alah Akbar" whilst about to behead an innocent person, or blow up themselves and everyone around them; these people are completely delusional and brainwashed.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Did you get that from the Daily Mail or some other lunatic far right source? I don't believe those figures are accurate for one second. I don't think even UKIP would beleive that

 

[Droppersneck]

Pewresearch.org bro. The religion is not pretty brutal. I say that being nondenominational. I wonder why the left hates Christianity which is rather benign yet these extreme religions get protections. Baffles me tbh

 

[Eveleivibe]

Did you get that from the Daily Mail or some other lunatic far right source? I don't believe those figures are accurate for one second. I don't think even UKIP would beleive that

Droppers is from the Lounge

Evey

 

[BecomingJulie]

What I struggle to comprehend is the number of otherwise intelligent young Muslims who still fall for this shit and go off to be jihadists and ensure their place in heaven with 4 and 20 virgins or summat - it defies all logic, and I can only conclude that they are in fact totally retarded with IQs in single digits.

It's no mystery to me. If you dose someone up with a different random combination of hormones every day for a few years, it's almost inevitably going to result in some sort of psychosis. Thing is, there's a condition where exactly that thing happens -- it's called puberty. And you can be pardoned for forgetting what a terrible time it was. Not because it was so long ago *ducks* but because it's the sort of thing any reasonable mind would have to block out.

Superstition serves an evolutionary purpose, by reinforcing useful behaviours without the need to understand the reason why it is important to do them. Teenage rebellion also serves an evolutionary purpose, by acting as a counter to entrenched but useless superstitions.

Please don't think that people in ISIS are just strictly following islam - if anything it's some twisted wahabi-ite version of islam; it's like saying all christians are the same as westboro baptist chruch (the god hates fags mob), or falangists.

When ancient books say "kill unbelievers", and people point to those same books as the inspiration for murder, what else is one supposed to think?

 

[Vurtual]

When most people who follow a religion say one thing, and a few thousand nutters with machine guns in a desert say another, what do you think? Don't forget the numbers in ISIS are quite small - give the right weapons out in your average glastonbury festival and they'd probably beat them (if they weren't all pacifist hippy traitors of course).

EDIT: This link's interesting http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/11/15/french-security-left-blind-during-paris-attacks-2/ - says there was a big cyber attack in paris which blocked out the mobile phones and poilce communication - no simple DDOS attack apparently (no reference (usually reliable dude though)). Apparently there was a terror drill going on on the day too (that old chestnut)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

It's no mystery to me. If you dose someone up with a different random combination of hormones every day for a few years, it's almost inevitably going to result in some sort of psychosis. Thing is, there's a condition where exactly that thing happens -- it's called puberty. And you can be pardoned for forgetting what a terrible time it was. Not because it was so long ago *ducks* but because it's the sort of thing any reasonable mind would have to block out.

Oooh, you bitch!

Anyway, while I grant that puberty can cause irrational thinking, gratuitous idealism and compulsive masturbation, I dont believe it can overcome logic and rational thought in otherwise intelligent people. Besides, not all new recruits to ISIS are gangly, awkward, spotty teenagers - many are in their 20s and 30s and come from 'good' families and went to University etc. It doesn't make sense at all. The only seemingly plausible explanation is that someone is spiking these people with scopolomine...

 

[BecomingJulie]

When most people who follow a religion say one thing, and a few thousand nutters with machine guns in a desert say another, what do you think?

I think that just because most people have no problem ignoring an exhortation to murder, does not make such exhortations a good idea. Especially when the ones taking those exhortations seriously happen to be nutters with machine guns. I also think that if most people can manage without the "nasty" bits, then they can learn to manage without the "nice" bits.

Oooh, you bitch!

Why, thank you!

Anyway, while I grant that puberty can cause irrational thinking, gratuitous idealism and compulsive masturbation, I dont believe it can overcome logic and rational thought in otherwise intelligent people. Besides, not all new recruits to ISIS are gangly, awkward, spotty teenagers - many are in their 20s and 30s and come from 'good' families and went to University etc. It doesn't make sense at all. The only seemingly plausible explanation is that someone is spiking these people with scopolomine...

Don't discount mental fatigue brought on by a few years' intensive learning immediately after puberty is out of the way. Just switching off the brain and not having to think about anything must carry a certain appeal.

Anyway, maybe your ability to remain logical and rational at all times is some sort of Superpower .....

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Anyway, maybe your ability to remain logical and rational at all times is some sort of Superpower .....

Heh, I wouldn't go as far as to call it a superpower, but I'm reasonably confident that I'm logical and rational enough to not turn into a murdering psychopathic scumbag just because some cunt half way around the world tells me to. One of Islamic State's head honchos is an eye surgeon ffs! How does an intelligent man of science, formerly committed to helping people, become infected with this toxic bullshit?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Found out an old school acquaintance doing merch for the band there got shot and killed. Only 36. RIP Nick.

Yeh, I saw him all over the Sunday papers, poor feller. For some reason he looks really familiar.

 

[Bearlove]

Horrific stuff indeed - what baffles me is the day before IS killed 49 in Beirut, shopping center, suicide Bomber not sure if any of the Media is covering that one?

 

[One Thousand Words]

Did your media cover the murder suicide down the road from me?

Paris is the number one tourist destination in the world so it is natural that most of the Western world shares some sort of affinity with it's tragedy. A lot of people I know are currently in Paris or have stayed there in the last 12 months. It doesn't mean that other deaths are not considered as news worthy, it is only more that it is a lot more personal

 

[Bearlove]

Did your media cover the murder suicide down the road from me?

Paris is the number one tourist destination in the world so it is natural that most of the Western world shares some sort of affinity with it's tragedy. A lot of people I know are currently in Paris or have stayed there in the last 12 months. It doesn't mean that other deaths are not considered as news worthy, it is only more that it is a lot more personal

Did they commit suicide wearing an explosive vest and killing 50 other people ? If so then I probably would have.

 

[One Thousand Words]

No, he hacked his transvestite lover to pieces, boiled her in pots and tried flushing her down the toilet. When the police arrived due to the smell he jumped the balcony and then slit his own throat while hiding in my industrial bins.

 

[spacejunk]

Nobody reported that because that sort of shit happens every day in Queensland.

 

[Bearlove]

No, he hacked his transvestite lover to pieces, boiled her in pots and tried flushing her down the toilet. When the police arrived due to the smell he jumped the balcony and then slit his own throat while hiding in my industrial bins.

2014 - two people killed (one sex worker and his lover) in a murder suicide. Four days ago - 43 people blown to bits by IS, suicide bomber's, in busy shopping district. Yeah I can see the similarity in both instances.

 

[Don Luigi]

I hate how every time a tragedy like this happens, it's the same old talking points that come up about who's a good Muslim, and whether Islam is inherently evil. Can we not agree that killing people indiscriminately is evil, no matter which sky genie the acts profess to serve. People like to say that it's because they hate our way of life - yeah, exactly. Our ('the West's) way of life, for the past couple of generations, happens to have been raining showers of death down on civilians across the world. Now we see that, even if your a are a citizen of the nation doing aerial strikes, you are not guaranteed a trial but killed extra judicially. This sort of thing gets applause from whole nations.

All I want to say is that it's no less tragic when a civilian dies from our air strikes, or when whole nations get thrown into turmoil because of the coups our governments instigate, than when a nice westerner gets killed in a terrorist attack. The difference being that only the latter gets widely reported.

The majority of these terrorists are not inherently evil. They are responding to a set of circumstances. I am dubious as to who really controls some of these organisations. We know that quite a few of them can be traced to funding from western intelligence services. I know it's wee buns compared to the scale of atrocities committed by some Islamic terror groups, but I was born into a small civil war here in Northern Ireland. I know the tragedy, and I also know the motivations. There were some really sick bastards who were members of the paramilitary organisations over here but the vast majority were not bad people. Yes, they did bad things, but they were reacting to long standing circumstances.

It is not the proliferation of evil that causes ISIS, or any other Islamic militant organisation to gain new recruits. It is the continuation of the same old foreign policy by aggressor nations.

I love the members here partly because of the level of empathy that many of you display. Why can this empathy not be extended to the refugees from a crisis we helped create, or to the people fighting in these militant groups, so we can maybe agree that there is a cause and effect.

Some of you really ought to be fucking ashamed of yourselves.