Pardon another first experience advice requested thread in advance...

[Behind The Curtain]

Hello,

First off let me say this forum has been a great value over the course of this evening, so much information exists on this subject that sometimes trying to pull meaningful data is a wicked task which was made a hell of a lot easier finding you guys and gals.

I'll start at the beginning and hopefully will end up somewhere useful.

I was inspired over the past week diving into the works of Terence McKenna. I found him through 2012 / Timewave Zero material (the Internet allows for some interesting trips all on it's own). His piece on "culture is your operating system" has been dialed into my cranium for several days... so much so that it's lead me down to wanting to experience a difference operating system.

I have done a bit of research, but the more I read the more I know I shouldn't read... over-analysis can lead to analysis-paralysis. However I did have some pressing questions that I need more experienced technicians advice on.

My biggest challenge is that I don't have access to an experienced guide, I have an individual in mind but I'm not 100% sure how it will go with them. Any advice in this department?

Also, over my life I noticed I am sensitive to subtle energies. I have tripped out on homeopathic remedies, it was not fun covering all the mirrors in my apartment and feeling like I'm not alone. I had a stint earlier this year with brownies a la cannabis and was so not ready for the void I slipped into... but I had a GREAT friend to help me out (we are now in different cities so hence my first question). Basically what I'm getting at is I'm a chemical wuss and seem to slip into negative experiences, I know I'll have to prep the trip heavily with positive mental material to chew and that my dose will be low but I'm having a hard time pegging the fuel. I was thinking going classic with shrooms but now LSD is creeping up the side with some DMT knocking on the backdoor. Knowing myself I'm not ready to "see" too much stuff, so a more tactical experience might be the proper handshake at this point... again advice?

Lastly, I want to apologize for a thread of this nature. I'm new here but in other forms I'm up there and sometimes I answer the most mundane, repeating threads to help out only to have people completely go in another direction and make me feel like I wasted time answering that thread. I really value your experiences and input and want to thank you in advance for the advice dispensed. I believe knowledge to be one of the most valuable commodities in the universe so I don't take the sharing of it for granted.

I look forward to whatever is about to land on my plate and to contributing to this forum as I reprogram myself.

 

[swilow]

Its kinda hard to know what your question is OP...BUT:

This sort of thread is usually closed; we cannot advise you as to what drug you should take. On the other hand, if your asking what a first time tripper would enjoy, I woul say DMT. DMT is probably the most immersive of the drugs you mention; but it only lasts for about 10-20mins. If you start panicking or tripping in a
negative way, the experience will be over soon enough. LSD will have you going for up to and over 12 hours; mushrooms will affects you for 6 hours or so. DMT offers pretty much the same things as LSD and mushrooms. I personally started with acid and then moved up, but I'd been smoking weed and taking MDMA for several years at that point, and so I was sort of prepared for LSD.


As to a sitter, does the person you mentioned have a negative view on drugs, or are they unavailable? I have never used a sitter myself, but it would be wise for your first time.

 

[Behind The Curtain]

Thank you for your reply willow11.

To clarify I was not asking specifically which fuel I should take, more so given my history and possible outcomes that I am seeking where I should focus on for a more positive first time.

As for DMT and it's timeframe would I perceive time any differently? I agree that a shorter duration is probably in my best interest right now.

To the "sitter" (I like that term even though I hope they don't need to babysit me) I am thinking of they are very experienced in these matters and open about his usage and lifestyle. My main concerns is that I don't know them all that well personally and I'm not sure how they'll respond to my inquire to approach them about coaching me through my first time(s). I'm wondering if it's better to go lighter solo if I can't find someone to guide me.

Again thank you for taking some time out of your day to assist me.

 

[Darksidesam]

I woul say DMT. DMT is probably the most immersive of the drugs you mention; but it only lasts for about 10-20mins. If you start panicking or tripping in a

This is bad advise.

I know of someone who did DMT and the next day he quit hes job and become a buddha.
DMT is a strong drug and should be respected. I dont think people should do DMT unless they are experienced with any kind of psychedelics

 

[Efoj]

Thank you for your reply willow11.
My main concerns is that I don't know them all that well personally and I'm not sure how they'll respond to my inquire to approach them about coaching me through my first time(s).

It smells of bad trip!
Just kidding. But if that person is not so close to you, you may feel paranoid about disturbing him, or opening your secrets to him, etc. And if I say paranoid, I mean it.

 

[swilow]

As for DMT and it's timeframe would I perceive time any differently? I agree that a shorter duration is probably in my best interest right now.

Well, yeah you can perceive time differently, but the reality of it is that the DMT experience is genuinely short. Depending how much you consume will determine how dilocated you feel. I would say to smoke about 20-30mgs for a first time. Just bear in mind that even low doses of DMT can be powerful.

To the "sitter" (I like that term even though I hope they don't need to babysit me) I am thinking of they are very experienced in these matters and open about his usage and lifestyle. My main concerns is that I don't know them all that well personally and I'm not sure how they'll respond to my inquire to approach them about coaching me through my first time(s). I'm wondering if it's better to go lighter solo if I can't find someone to guide me.

Theres the bit I don't think we can help determine. Its always safer to have a trip sitter, but as I mentioned I've never done it. Bear in mind that my first trips were at parties with close friends, so Iwasn't alone.

Personally, I wouldn't like to trip with just one person who I wasn't close to. Theres a biggish chance that the tenuous nature of your relationship will become an issue during the trip.

This is bad advise.

I know of someone who did DMT and the next day he quit hes job and become a buddha.
DMT is a strong drug and should be respected. I dont think people should do DMT unless they are experienced with any kind of psychedelics

I agree that it should be respected, but no more or less then other psychedelics. Whn using low doses DMT is pretty benign.

I don't believe that you know anyone who has become a buddha or Buddhist either.

 

[acidclouds]

Yeah its all about dose with DMT. Unfortunately, I have only ever had low doses but the experiences I had - similar to tripping fairly hard on acid with nice colourful visuals for about 10 minutes - would be perfect for a first time.

Of course from what everyone says about DMT if you dosed too high it could be way too full-on.

 

[Behind The Curtain]

Thanks gents!

This is definitely helping out. I'm going to focus a bit more on DMT as a primer.

Would it be ill-advised to do a low dose DMT session solo? The whole "shot out of a cannon" start is a little scary to say the least.

 

[Leftley]

I'd just like to let you know something I feel strongly about DMT.. you must be mentally, physically & spiritually ready. It's a very inward journey.. your mind will wander places it hasn't wandered before, places you like or don't like, you are at the mercy of such a potent psychedelic. I don't want to scare you, because DMT is BEAUTIFUL.. you will never forget, but make sure you're ready, you don't want to end being a bit empty inside, because it fucked your head so bad.. It's such an enjoyable experience and you will learn so much about yourself.. but only time will tell when its time to indulge.

Just make sure you're ready, not just saying you're ready because you want a psychedelic experience!

 

[acidclouds]

That sounds like very good advice from everything I have heard and read about medium-high dose DMT trips. However, a low dose like I have experienced really isnt that crazy. Beautiful? Yes definitely and a very floaty/peaceful feeling also but much less intense than tripping on a low-medium dose of acid simply because its so much shorter.

Of course the problem is that its hard to dose accurately so you could easily end up taking more than you were ready for as a first time psychedelic user.

 

[Behind The Curtain]

Diving into Trip Reports today, I have immense respect forming for all fuels... especially DMT. DMT seems to latch on fast and really shake up the foundations of what you know, I'm not ready to see entities and confront a death-rebirth scenario so I may need to position DMT on the back-burner.

A theme repeating with psychedelics is really the lack of control and giving into the ride. I don't consider myself a control freak but revisiting my ingested cannabis episode I know for a fact that I fought the experience and the strength at which it was pinning me down... under a psychedelic I know the same tactic would probably feel 100 times worse.

I am going to have a discussion with my proposed sitter. Today I found out that he has tried DMT twice but I didn't want to expand on it in the public place we were at.

The more I read the more I know I'm not ready, it saddens me to feel that as I think this might be a valuable tool to dissolve my ego and get more connected to life.

 

[acidclouds]

'Letting go' is definitely an important part of psychedelic use. But the fact that you didnt enjoy ingested cannabis doesnt necessarily mean you wouldnt like a classic psychedelic like acid. I personally dont really like weed - it has a tendency to push me in an anxious/paranoid direction that psychedelics really dont. Psychedelics tend to be much more neutral and just respond to your mindset and setting ('set and setting' - another phrase you will have come across a lot in your research).

Its obviously impossible for us to know if you are ready or not. My personal feeling when it comes to psychedelics is always better safe than sorry. So if you dont feel ready then maybe you arent but at the same time maybe you are much more ready than the average idiot that takes acid for their first time and you are just over thinking it.

The key is always dosage. if you take a small dose of acid, say 50ug - enough to feel the effects but not enough to really trip hard - that probably wont be as full-on as your ingested cannabis experience.

The fact that you are talking about not being sure if you're ready and then also talking about ego dissolving is a bit weird to me. You are a long way from being ready for ego death. Like dozens of trips away in my opinion. Start low, slowly work your way up and most importantly have fun

 

[swilow]

^Its much too hard for most people to measure LSD.

Diving into Trip Reports today, I have immense respect forming for all fuels... especially DMT. DMT seems to latch on fast and really shake up the foundations of what you know, I'm not ready to see entities and confront a death-rebirth scenario so I may need to position DMT on the back-burner.

A theme repeating with psychedelics is really the lack of control and giving into the ride. I don't consider myself a control freak but revisiting my ingested cannabis episode I know for a fact that I fought the experience and the strength at which it was pinning me down... under a psychedelic I know the same tactic would probably feel 100 times worse.

I am going to have a discussion with my proposed sitter. Today I found out that he has tried DMT twice but I didn't want to expand on it in the public place we were at.

The more I read the more I know I'm not ready, it saddens me to feel that as I think this might be a valuable tool to dissolve my ego and get more connected to life.

Bear in mind that cannabis is very inclined to cause a sense of panic and lack of control. Especially when eaten. I know many people that can take any number of chemicals and stay cool and calm, and yet can get really paranoid and frightened when they use weed. Thats why DMT is great; low doses are atually anxiety relieving (for me at least) whilst also being profound and interesting. The thing is, the effects of high dose DMT can be so dislocating as to make a low dose experience seem like a completely different drug. If you smoke enough, the external world as we know it simply vanishes, replaced by a totally alien landscape. Its beautiful but intensely strange.

However, you are probably making the right choice. I would still say that low dose of DMT (and I mean really low, 15-20mgs) would be easy to handle; the effects will be noticeable, but there would be little impact on your consciousness. The tendency towards fear and panic will also still be present but mild, and the 'peak' effects of that amount would subside after 5 mins.

Its good that you are being cautious here. That caution may eventually be rewarded. Peace

 

[Behind The Curtain]

Thanks acidclouds and willow11, great words of advice.

It is reassuring to read about ingested cannabis and it's unpleasant effects. Smoking it the effects of numbness and paranoia were mild to me, but that brownie... oh, that brownie was another few clogs down the abyss.

I have experienced ego death while studying sound therapy, it was profound and humbling. But the magnitude of psychedelics is just so frigging intriguing as to how far one can "go".

I will have a talk with the sitter and see what can be arranged, as of yet I have no idea as to the procurement of fuels in my neck of the wood. Supply might dictate where I begin but low-dose with a great set and setting will prevail.