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Before I start Id like to point out that what I am about to post at first seems nothing to do with drugs, I believe it does because a lot of people still score drugs or meet their dealer in a street, park, train station, handing things through car windows and of course the front of their house.

This will put an end to all of that and probably will get many people arrested. Your personal freedom is about to be a thing of the past.

Today something important happened in Parliament.

Greens question use of ‘TrapWire’ surveillance system in Australia
14 Aug 2012 | Scott Ludlam

Australian Greens communications spokesperson Senator Scott Ludlam has submitted a motion for a vote in the Senate on Wednesday August 15, asking the Government to reveal whether the US private surveillance system 'TrapWire' is being used in Australia.

"TrapWire is operating in parts of the UK, Canada and the USA. Its features are reputed to include the ability to centralise and aggregate data from public surveillance cameras and share information across networks," said Senator Ludlam. "Is it being used in Australia?"

Senator Ludlam will move the motion tomorrow calling on the Government to reveal all it knows about the operation of the surveillance system (see below).

"We call on the Government to confirm whether the TrapWire system is deployed anywhere in Australia; if Australian agencies have used information provided by foreign agencies using TrapWire; and if the Government has held discussions about acquiring TrapWire for use here."


NOTICE OF MOTION

SENATOR LUDLAM

I give notice that on the next day of sitting I shall move that the Senate

Notes:

1. Reports of a surveillance system known as TrapWire operating in the UK, Canada and US cities including Washington DC, Las Vegas, New York and Los Angeles;

2. TrapWire's features are reputed to include the ability to centralise and aggregate data from public surveillance cameras and share threat information across networks;

Calls on the government to

1. Confirm whether the TrapWire system is deployed anywhere in Australia.
2. Confirm if Australian law enforcement and intelligence agencies have access to, or have in the past used, information provided by foreign law enforcement and intelligence agencies using the TrapWire system.
3. Confirm if the Australian government or its law enforcement and intelligence agencies have held discussions about acquiring the TrapWire system for use by government entities here.
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link http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/greens-question-use-%E2%80%98trapwire%E2%80%99-surveillance-system-australia

And the governments reply to this question............

The Senate today voted down a motion asking the government whether the US surveillance system TrapWire is being used in Australia. The measure by Greens Senator Scott Ludlam was rejected by voice vote on Wednesday.

After the vote, Ludlam said he didn’t understand why the government opposed the motion. “It simply asks, yes or no, whether or not these systems are deployed anywhere in Australia,” Ludlam said after the vote. “It doesn’t make any accusations.”

Ludlam said Labor should explain “exactly why the government is voting against a fairly straightforward motion …”

Recently leaked documents by Wikileaks revealed the TrapWire program, a surveillance system that uses data from surveillance cameras to predict potential criminal activity.

"TrapWire is operating in parts of the UK, Canada and the USA,” Ludlam said in a statement yesterday. “Its features are reputed to include the ability to centralise and aggregate data from public surveillance cameras and share information across networks. Is it being used in Australia?"

The motion called on the government to "Confirm whether the TrapWire system is deployed anywhere in Australia"; "Confirm if Australian law enforcement and intelligence agencies have access to, or have in the past used, information provided by foreign law enforcement and intelligence agencies using the TrapWire system"; and "Confirm if the Australian government or its law enforcement and intelligence agencies have held discussions about acquiring the TrapWire system for use by government entities here."

Ludlam told Computerworld Australia that he plans to send formal questions to the Federal Police, ASIO, the Quarantine and Inspection Service, the Department of Defence and Customs and Border Protection. They are "the agencies that we thought are the most likely to be deploying or contemplate deploying the system."

Ludlam planned to send the questions this afternoon, he said. By convention, responses are due in 30 calendar days. "During the September sittings, we should have some answers back."

"I'm disappointed that the Senate has voted to keep itself ignorant, particularly the Opposition," Ludlam told us. "I mean, the government may have something to hide—we don't know that yet—but I would have thought the Opposition" would be more supportive, he said.
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Why would they not answer?

It actually gets stranger. Here is the full copy paste from Pastebin where its revealed that the story on Trapwire run by various news agencies where mysteriously taken down.

As of 6:40 CST here in U.S., these are the Australian articles on Trapwire that have been simply removed by their respective outlets with no explanation. Note that there are rumors to the effect that they are down to inaccurately stating that Cubic Corporation owns Abraxas Apps - rumors that are false, as show here (http://privatepaste.com/6810d9914a) and as could have been verified for nearly a year on Project PM's Echelon2.org wiki entry for Cubic Corporation (http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Cubic_Corporation) which itself links to the pertinent tax documents. Incidentally, Cubic and Abraxas have long been our focus due to their known involvement in persona management software as provided to CENTCOM by the wholly owned subsidiary Ntrepid. Here, the, are the articles that are down - not corrected, but entirely removed:

http://m.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/revealed-trapwire-spy-cams-ticket-to-au stralia-20120813-2448z.html
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/tec...-cams-ticket-to-australia-20120813-2448z.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/surveilla...nsport-defence-contractor-20120813-244yj.html
http://m.watoday.com.au/technology/...-cams-ticket-to-australia-20120813-2448z.html
http://m.theage.com.au/technology/t...-cams-ticket-to-australia-20120813-2448z.html
http://www.katherinetimes.com.au/ne...ire-spy-cams-ticket-to-australia/2648709.aspx
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw...nsport-defence-contractor-20120813-244yj.html
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/nsw/s...nsport-defence-contractor-20120813-244yj.html

God forbid that this unprecedented incident receive at least a cursory examination from those journalists who are paid to do what many of us in the activist community have long done for free.

As to the potential reason for such articles going down in Australia, and not elsewhere, this non-scrubbed article may hold a clue:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...-to-take-on-myki/story-e6frf7kx-1226015136624

As may this:

http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/bre...linked-to-transport-defence-contractor/752577

This, too, is quite understandably down:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/surveilla...nsport-defence-contractor-20120813-244yj.html

And to those who are claiming that Trapwire does not actually entail anything like facial recognition, please take a few minutes to read what ex-CIA agent and Abraxas head Richard Helms said about the intent of the software seven years ago: that it would “collect information about people and vehicles that is more accurate than facial recognition," among other things. This was noted at http://publicintelligence.net/unravelling-trapwire/ where anyone could read it, not just those of us who bothered to do so.

In conclusion, fuck the media, and fuck the dozens of state-linked firms that the media hasn't bothered to do a single fucking bit of research on despite this problem having quite demonstrably gotten out of hand years ago
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This is absolutely unbelievable and very scary
 
Wow.

Thanks for posting that mister. Right as Big Brother is back on TV as well :)
 
Good thread to get ppl thinking!

According to Barry ofarrell you not even entitled to silence. Wtf guilty until proven innocent.

Welcome to the brave new world
 
mister said:
Before I start Id like to point out that what I am about to post at first seems nothing to do with drugs, I believe it does because a lot of people still score drugs or meet their dealer in a street, park, train station, handing things through car windows and of course the front of their house.

This will put an end to all of that and probably will get many people arrested. Your personal freedom is about to be a thing of the past.

Today something important happened in Parliament.



link http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/greens-question-use-%E2%80%98trapwire%E2%80%99-surveillance-system-australia

And the governments reply to this question............



Why would they not answer?

It actually gets stranger. Here is the full copy paste from Pastebin where its revealed that the story on Trapwire run by various news agencies where mysteriously taken down.


This is absolutely unbelievable and very scary
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bro forward this and anything else you have to mediawatch. They should be interested in this and demand answers from the newspaper editors

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/contactus.htm
 
I find it incredibly strange that the news outlets deleted their stories on webtrap. Usually conspiracy theories can be a little outlandish but its hard to ignore facts like the above.

Mate If i have time I will forward them, if anyone else wants to give the links to mediawatch go ahead
 
this type of surveillance will lead to people conforming to a certain way of conducting themselves whilst out in public, imagine for instance you play fight with a mate in the street, these cameras will clock you as "starting an attack" and you will be filmed.

People will stop acting naturally and natural interaction with others will cease to exist as we know it, we will almost start marching around.

Im appalled at our so called government. Fucking low life wankers
 
Read 1984 by George Orwell and
Brave new world. By aldous Huxley

You probably already have.
 
What the fuck?
This is so rediculous.
We're on the verge of, if not already in, the New World Order.
 
Who the fuck makes street deals other than the truly desperate?

Is someone going to complain if a plain clothes officer is watching from a park bench? Of course not because thats their job. This is just using existing technology to spread the thin blue line.

It is a war folks, fight smarter and you won't get caught.
 
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The advanced surveillance soluion includes cameras, IP codec’s and networked recording all managed by the powerful Cware management platform. CCTV operators monitor real-time video and search archive recordings from 185 cameras that cover businesses, public parks, transportation links and residential areas 24 hours per day.
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This is the HQ for Ipswich ciy's cctv network. It is a centralised office monitoring all the cctv within Ipswich, west of Brisbane. It allows police to target street crime and has resulted in a dramatic decrease in assaults since it came on line 12 months ago and as a result I feel a hell of a lot safer here than most parts of the city. Its not a big conspiracy, it is widely advertised and people make their own decision whether or not to deal drugs here.
 
money and drugs go together like horses and jockeys, if they wanted to be serious about policing drugs they would be better of surveilling the rich / ritzy suburbs

i think they would rather tax the poor and vulnerable, must be easier to do
 
to be honest my remarks about street deals was a ploy to keep this post open long enough for people to read and comment.

With all due respect, Busty, I dont think you read the entire post.

The difference between CCTV and TrapWire is that TrapWire uses technology to predict actions and recognise patterns, it also has facial recognition.
The information is shared between different government departments.

TrapWire is given access to security camera networks and uses facial and body recognition combined with aggregated information provided by governments and social media to prevent terrorist attacks by recognising suspicious patterns of activity.

It forwards its reports to a wide array of US police departments, intelligence agencies and public departments. The detail about TrapWire was found in emails between executives at the private intelligence company Stratfor and released by WikiLeaks
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http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/breaking/brisbane-times/surveillance-system-linked-to-transport-defence-contractor/752577

Why was the public not notified about it being possibly already in use in Australian cities? I think we have a right to know we are being watched and the information gathered is being used and stored by various departments.

Why did all the news outlets in my first post mysteriously remove the news stories reporting on this gross invasion of OUR PRIVACY.?

Why did the Government flatly refuse to answer whether TrapWire is already operating in Australia?

Documents submitted with Abraxas’ initial trademarking of TrapWire, describe the system as utilizing “a facility’s existing technologies (such as pan-tilt-zoom [PTZ] cameras) and humans (security personnel, employees, and neighbors)” to collect data which is then “recorded and stored in a standardized format to facilitate data mining, information comparison and information sharing across the network.” TrapWire “standardizes descriptions of potential surveillance activity, such as photographing, measuring and signaling” and then shares “threat information” across the network to track potential correlations across other locations on the network.
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http://publicintelligence.net/unravelling-trapwire/

I do not want to be watched 24/7 I do not want to feel that if I move in a particular way that I will be recorded and my details shared among Government departments. Literally STALKED.

An all seeing eye with artificial intelligence watching our every move 24 hours a day under the pretext of catching "terrorists" and criminals is morally wrong. Im sure some people will say "but I do nothing wrong so I have nothing to fear" I dont go around mugging people or stealing cars but I certainly do not want my every move watched and recorded, thats scary and unnecessary.

Crime is a social problem that cannot be stopped by watching EVERYONE all the time.

The scariest part......the Government doesnt want us to know they are watching and recording us.. Conspiracy you say? this is fact outlined in concrete facts. Take the time to click the links I provided and tell me its all in my head.
 
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laugh said:
money and drugs go together like horses and jockeys, if they wanted to be serious about policing drugs they would be better of surveilling the rich / ritzy suburbs

i think they would rather tax the poor and vulnerable, must be easier to do
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Without any supporting evidence, I would have to say your claim that wealth and drug use/possession are correlated is highly tenuous. I'm well away rich people use drugs but I wouldn't even say moreso than poorer people, let alone greater to do a degree proportional to income.

Besides, people with more money are more likely/able to go to greater length to hide it from prying eyes.
 
Yeah guys TrapWire is old news. I think much more problematic to Australians at the moment the news privacy laws they are trying to implement. Especially as people who talk about things like drugs on the internet.
 
TangerinO said:
Yeah guys TrapWire is old news. I think much more problematic to Australians at the moment the news privacy laws they are trying to implement. Especially as people who talk about things like drugs on the internet.
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Can you link to the "old news" about TrapWire in Australia please?

I think the internet privacy laws and TrapWire are intrinsically linked by the simple fact that both rob us of our free will and right to privacy.
 
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