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Panic attacks while on Ecstacy.

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Rolling Bawlz

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I've been doing ecstacy for a little less than a year now. I've probably done it a good 10 times or more. One of the last times I did it, I did a little too much. I took about 5 mollys within a 5 hour period. I was very pale & I was having some much panic attacks. Like the amazing feelings flipped on me and I was having the worst time of my life. I couldn't control myself. They almost had to take me to the hospital. But I learned my lesson. Anyways, every since that day, every time I roll, I always have these panic attacks. Even if I'm on one pill. I feel this sudden discomfort and I have to get up, wash my face, smoke a cigarrete, run, ect. Then, within a couple minutes, I calm down & i'm back to having a good time. Why does this keep happening to me? How can I control it? I get scared to roll now because I know that will happen. Even though it lasts a couple of minutes, it's still scary. And I always scare everyone that I'm with. ANybody else experience this or know someone who does? How can I fix/prevent this? :\
 
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Advice one: Take a long break from MDMA use.

Advice two: Stay away from stimulants altogether. You seem susceptible to stimulant psychosis as many people are.

I can say I've seen it in person, never experienced it. I find that if you carry a benzo with you, it may help you calm your nerves knowing you have a way to end your roll.

Good luck OP
 
What about Xanax? I just want to be able to do it one last time at a hotel that we are all renting and everyone is going to be rolling. And I don't wanna be the only one not doing it. Once I see everyone on it I'm gonna be tempted to do it.
 
Xanax is probably one of the most overused benzos out there. That'll definitely calm your roll and any paranoia you may encounter.

But dont take it before. Take it if your roll becomes bad. Don't exceed usual doses and drink plenty of water. Listen to good, optimistic music and think positively.
 
Thank you. Everyone always tells me that I'm just being weak-minded. That I'm letting the drug take control of me.
 
idea: you roll too much probably to begin with
b. you probably get pipe or speedy shit often
c. you took a large amount of probably cut/speedy MD, or at least when i took an obscenely large dose of MDMA crystal once, i wasn't scared in the slightest once i had come up, and i was too high to care much/worry about if i was gonna die.
but then again ive always had no problem handling stimulants/stimm-y drogz, i'm more comfortable with stimmy type drugs (which i consider MDMA to be an example of to some degree) than anything else
 
I roll probably once every 3 months. And the Mollys I take are very clean. I get them from a well trusted person. And I always wait for someone to take it before I do. I'm really cautious about it.
 
Yeah, normally I only encounter paranoia off MDA while I'm coming up. MDMA seems to set in so fast and spin my mind so hard. My world gets flipped turned upside down like the Fresh Prince of Bel'air.

But it's possible you suffer anxiety and stimulant psychosis. I wouldn't say "trusted" as any dealer is capable of buying something that seems like MDMA but isn't. Never trust anyone 100% in the market.
 
exactly, wat renz said about the trusted business.
i've said the same thing, and yuou can say i'm just rationalizign my shit, but when your dealers dont sell by bullshit "caps" rather by actual amount in weight, and when you know what MD smells like and i daresay looks like kinda, imo thats a different thing
and i wouldnt buy powder period pretty much unless it was tested in front of me, or was cheap and absolutely reeked of MDP2P/safrole.
crystal is a lot easier to ID/know if its real IMO/IME than just random ass powders.
specially since its rather common to just sell methylone or meph as molly caps now...
IMO you're not really cautious about it, you maybe should be a little more cautious IMO.
not that I am a particularly good example to follow but i damn near always weighed out my own doses and had people trustworthy enough to be willing to straight up front me if i really wanted...
and trusting someone who gets by the zip or half at least and doesnt sell points in caps makes a lot more sense in my mind than some idiot who throws .1 of molly (best case) into a cap then sells it for 2-3x what it actually costs....
 
I always trip out when coming up. It happens to alot of people. But these attacks happen maybe about an hour into the drug. I guess when I peak. Question is how can I control it without tripping out? Any recommendations?
 
You should have the ability to calm yourself down when you're coming up if you're used to having a little anxiety. To me its rather uncontrollable. Not so much psychological as it is "the way its gotta be". I don't let it bother me. The reassurance that it's temporary and will be replaced by heaven in a few minutes is enough to clear my mind of any fear.
 
Don't let your friends tell you that you're somehow doing it to yourself.
And don't listen to other users on BL that automatically claim the product is adulterated.

MDMA is a selective neurotoxin. Period.
I have had friends tell me that they REALLY wanted to stop rolling and just COULDN'T.
They feel wired and anxious, without euphoria.
It suck big time.

You have lost nerve density in higher brain regions.
This is important because the massive dump of serotonin seen with MDMA causes an increase in dopamine in these higher brain regions. Without the serotonin density, this dopamine can become trapped in the limbic system.
This is the perfect recipe for psychosis.

Are you susceptible to this psychosis to begin with? Probably.
Could your MDMA be adulterated? Maybe.
Does pure MDMA cause this on its own? Absolutely.

You need to stop rolling for a LONG time.
1 year should be the minimum - if you don't want to repeat the psychosis.

Since you aren't going to listen to this advice...
Yes, a benzo can calm it down. It reduces glutamate toxicity, which can cause neuron cell death. This is one proposed mechanism for MDMA toxicity - so xanax can help a lot. It is also one of the first pharmacological treatments used in the ER.

Another option would be vigorous exercise.
That means work out HARD the day of, and the day before the roll.
Why? Because this increases the plasticity of serotonin neurons! And it resprouts new axons!
Don't you wonder why you want to run around when you are going crazy?
Because your brain knows that physical activity will increase blood flow and metabolism of the toxic shit your are putting in your brain.

Finally - you need to lower your body temp. A lot.
Don't wait until you start to freak out, either. Just go into the experience COLD.
If you have to be mostly naked with the A/C running on high, so be it.
Lowering body temp is very effective at reducing toxicity.

But NONE of these techniques will really prevent the psychosis or the toxicity completely.
Long-term abstinence is HIGHLY recommended - forget about your friends and how much your want to roll.
How many times will it take for your to decide this on your own?

One of the most avid roller I knew in HS stopped COLD TURKEY because of his first psychotic roll.
That was all it took for him.
 
MDMA is debatably neurotoxic, at least in the sense of realistically it is neurotoxic but the extent of which is unknown..
while i agree, it is neurotoxic probably, and MDA one of its metabolates is, its not near as toxic as methamphetamine which i'm sure you know is much more common
ever notice that theo nly people facing issues with MDMA are people who seem to think that nlike everybody else they can roll all weekend on shit that is likely got amp/methamphetamine in it (which increases neurotoxcitiy quite a bit, btw) and then wonder why they feel stupid.
MDMA isnt even considered by the medical community to be particularly addictive to first bad comedown, people getting high on the weekends and not being able to stop aint shit on people robbing stores, stealing, pawning their stuff, etc. for their DOC.
and also, you wanna bring up MDMA induced psychosis? You know that stimulant/amphetamine psychosis is mainly caused by SLEEP DEPRIVATION right? cause MDMA barely hits dopamine compared to speed/meth but you dont go psychotic from that till you binge.
when rolling causes paranoid delusions and visual hallucinations in quite a lot of users then maybe i'll agree but ive never heard of people having a run in twith the shadow people from MDMA.
it seems educated people dont have issues caused by MDMA but that could just be me.
and first bad comedown you dont think product quality plays a role in this? Why do we damn near NEVER see europeans or UK people on here freaking out when their pills are sometimes in excess of 200mg a piece? In holland some batches of pills have been tested to be 210mg MDMA yet there's no dutch people running around all over the internet talking about how they fried themselves
statistically most pills in amercia are absolute shit and quite a lot have speed in em which greatly increases neurotoxicity...
when it is mostly users of a drug in ONE country that are sitting freaking out about negative effects when seemingly in foreign lands people go harder without issue certainly suggests purity is correlated with toxicity, at least IMO.
 
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Rolling Bawlz said:
... I took about 5 mollys within a 5 hour period...
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That is a large dose, assuming each "molly" was about 75mg, you're still looking at 375 mg of MDMA over a 5 hour period. With such amounts, the MDMA experience can start to become much more unpredictable (even if you have "clean" MDMA).

It sounds like you've conditioned yourself to experience this uncomfortable feelings. If they only last for 5 minutes, I think your best best would be to try and ignore them. I think if you think less about it, you will eventually stop caring about this issue.

P.S. LSDMDMA&AMP - Double dropping and such is lot less common in countries with high MDMA pills. Here in Ukraine, we typically get 120+ mg pills and people usually drop one and then take another half in an hour. Double dropping would be too much IMO.
 
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I agree with levi, and again saying IT IZ DEFINITELY FROM ECSTASY AND NOT POTENTIALLY FROM OTHER DRUGS isn't logical because there's no way to tell what the OP actually took.
375 isnt even THAT mcuh, its a lot but its not all that ridiculous i wouldnt think in like holland unless europeans only take one pill for an entire night...
seems people who actually understand what ecstasy is and all that before using it never have any real problems caused by it
I'd say ignorance is more dangerous and worrisome than some neurotoxicity, if people would actually put proper thought into their decision to use MDMA and understand the possible negative effects these threads wouldnt be so common
and if people would quit taking anything pressed into a pill or sold as a capsule just because they're told its "ecstasy" these threads probably wouldnt be as common either.
 
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Anxiety on the come up is not that uncommon. I've had some pretty intense panic attacks while waiting for the bliss. While FBC's post is mostly true IMO, it's not really relevant to anxiety on the come up, which I would think is caused simply by the fact that your perception and feeling has changed so dramatically, so suddenly, it's a bit much to take in.
 
I get it sometimes, i just need a little handshake from a mate and a "your going to be alright"
Then im 100%

Lol
 
In six years of use, I have never experienced a single bout of anxiety at any point during my rolls. I did research the effects. etc quite extensively before taking the plunge.
 
Also, 10 times in a year is too much. I just noticed that part, and that could be a big part of your problem. I've only rolled 3 times so far in 2011.
 
Only anxiety type stuff i ever had other than the feeling i'm sure everybody gets when you've taken a proper amount
and suddenly you heart races and your stomach gets butterflies, but thats more just like I need to sit down for a few minutes and get comfortable.
not panic attacks like OH SHIT IMMA DIE I TOOK TOO MUCH IM DEAD ILL OVERHEAT.
like somebody said above, the only anxiety is from literally IME (and only the first few times ive rolled have I had the heart racing and oh shit wat did i take) from one minute feeling 100% normal and sober
and the next sharply coming up.
said discomfort (and its mainly just nausea for me nowadays..) lasts for 10 minutes tops and is fixed just by sitting down for a few minutes and relaxing..ime
 
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