Panama Red

[Skywave18]

Ive been always very interested in this strain of bud. Has anyone here at Bl tried this strain before? how is the high? is it rare to find in the states?

 

[oohcow]

It was abundant in the 70s,

it's a pure sativa, landrace with the origins in mexico.

Now that all mexican sativas (basically) have been crossed with dutch indicas to produce shorter flowering, greater bag appeal, and more yield for the cartels

I doubt that you will be able to find it in the states at all. if ever again.

The only way you would be able to really smoke this is maybe if you grew it from seed ( dunno if online vendors even still have this rare landrace availible)

or you could go to mexico, search in the mountains and fields for those mexican farming families that have been growing pot for like hundred years... and ask them about it.. they might be able to find some for you

 

[psynirvana01]

It was abundant in the 70s,

it's a pure sativa, landrace with the origins in mexico.

Now that all mexican sativas (basically) have been crossed with dutch indicas to produce shorter flowering, greater bag appeal, and more yield for the cartels

I doubt that you will be able to find it in the states at all. if ever again.

The only way you would be able to really smoke this is maybe if you grew it from seed ( dunno if online vendors even still have this rare landrace availible)

or you could go to mexico, search in the mountains and fields for those mexican farming families that have been growing pot for like hundred years... and ask them about it.. they might be able to find some for you

what do you mean by indicas give it a greater bag appeal? aren't most mids in the U.S. indica? wtf happened to sativa?

 

[Danashae]

^^^

I don't know, but I wonder the same thing myself.

 

[oohcow]

True sativa buds, look less "crystally" but have this "middies" look to them. They are an exotic look that most smokers don't recognize. This statement is true to MOST of the pure sativa landrace strains.... Landrace means that they are like the Original strains found in that land... Like before human hybridization.

Indica's give greater bag period. Chunky ass nugs instead of skinny stemmy ass sativa nugs. The indica Crystals are more abundant (alot of people directly relate how crystallize one nug is to the potency)

If you ever grown indica vs sativa.... Sativa is like some true connoisseur shit, it's harder to grow, a pickier plant overall, and just don't look as good, as those sugarcoated nugs that indicas come with...

However, they do give that trippy head high that has NO CEILING what so ever. or that high that you just can't stop fucking laughing no matter how hard you try.

I sativas.

EDIT: yes most mids are indicas... but most of the cali "KUSHES" and name brands are also indicas... they have a narcotic high which ppl think of as more medicinal... also look frosty as fuck and nugs are fat and dank

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

it's a pure sativa, landrace with the origins in mexico.

Now that all mexican sativas (basically) have been crossed with dutch indicas to produce shorter flowering, greater bag appeal, and more yield for the cartels

I doubt that you will be able to find it in the states at all. if ever again.

AHHH!! this statement is way too true about mostly every good legendary hazey equatorial landrace it makes my soul want to cry..

 

[khsnoopy]

yes I agree not going to see it in north that is for sure

 

[artic]

Pretty much everything was crossed with indicas durring the 70s and 80s because kush plants from the middle east used for hash production contained the highest amount of THC at the time. Crossing your sativa with an indica would increase your yield too. Most sativas had lower THC because sativas were cultivated primarily as hemp for fiber production. Indicas have always been much more common in medications than sativas.

 

[oohcow]

^ wow, don 't even bother posting garbage like this..

I'd like you to smoke a true thai landrace sativa, and report back to me the "hemp" you're fucking talking about.

First off, learn your weed before you talk shit.

Indicas are high in CBN and CBD and other compounds in relation to THC. Sativa are really high in THC and THCV and lower in the CBN compounds,

the cbn shit makes you sleepy, and munchies and that STONED eeling

The THC gets you "HIGH" And sativas are not weak by any means or "low in thc", it was PURELY the flowering time, indicas flowering time is like HALF that of the mexican sativas... maybe not half but at least 5 weeks less.

Next, We are talking about mexico/south america here. NO kush was not crossed with these for hybrids, they were dutch seeds that were brought to mexico and hybridized with their landrace sativas.

If you ever smoked the weed used for hemp production, that shit called "ditchweed" would NOT get you high at all... doesn't mean its fucking sativa. I've had sativa i guarentee would make you fucking trip dude. So quit that crazy shit.

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

Most sativas had lower THC because sativas were cultivated primarily as hemp for fiber production.

I thought Cannabis Sativa L. was classified before cannabis indica L. Growing sativa's for fiber production seems akin to raising the finest black Angus cows to be slaughtered with the low quality population to make generic "beef-or-oni" at normal price(i do realize thats a bad example but deal with it)!

Personal favorite Old Timer's haze 100% Sativa takes 16+weeks to flower compared to the 8weeks from normal commercial Indica strains.

 

[artic]

First off, learn your weed before you talk shit.

First off, I never talked shit about sativas. Pure sativas are good, I like 'em. Sativas often have the best highs and flavours, but high THC producing sativas are much more uncommon than high THC producing indicas because for thousands of years they were cultivated for very different reasons.

Hemp is cannabis sativa. Any time you hear about industrial hemp they are growing pure cannabis sativa. The reason is that cannabis sativa contains the longest and strongest harvestable fiber in the world. The fiber of cannabis sativa also softens over time, making it excelent for rope and canvas production. During the days when we were sailing around the world in wooden ships all the sails and rigging were entirely hemp (cannabis sativa). Hemp was one of the biggest crops around up until racially motivated anti-cannabis legislation was passed, which effectively destroyed the industry. This isn't to say that high quality cannabis sativa wasn't being grown, but it was mostly in tropical areas such as Hawaii and Thailand.

Sativas also need to be grown by experienced growers in small batches to acheive full potential becaues of their tendancy to hermaphrodite and their difficulty to grow. Most sativas don't do well indoors, so even experienced indoor growers tend to breed hybrids or grow bure indica. So, most of the time it is just grown in large fields, ends up full of seeds, and the grower bricks it for exportation as shwag.

All indicas originate in the middle east, where it has been cultivated for thousands of years for meducines and hashish. "Kush" and indica pretty much mean the same thing, though kush is technically a very specific geographically. Indicas were almost exclusively used when making commercial cannabis over-the-counters available up until the first anti-cannabis legislation. Kush plants have always been used as a genetic base by strain breeders in Amsterdam because of their stability. Indicas are easier to grow and produce more.

When Amsterdam started to make a name for itself based on high quality indicas and hybrids in the 70's there was a rush to follow suit. If you are growing a field of cannabis plants that is going to end up as shwag anyway and you can double your yeild by crossing your pure sativa strain with a indica or a hybrid from Amsterdam you would be crazy not to. Even people who were growing high quality sativas started to cross with indicas to increase yeild and potentiate their crop. Today the plants that produce the most THC are hybrids. Of course, the areas where the highest quality sativa strains come from will always continue to produce high quality pure sativa, but unfortuneately a few of the old favorites have been lost.

Although sativas are in high demand by the pot coinesseur community, indicas and hybrids are much more efficient plants, and a grower can make a lot more money growing indicas than sativas, so that's what they do.


Second, please stop flaming or shut the fuck up. Dissing on someone doesn't do anyone any good. We are a community here, and we have a responsiblity to treat each other with the dignity and respect that the rest of society won't grant drug users.

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

Any time you hear about industrial hemp they are growing pure cannabis sativa.

cannabis ruderalis' existance inclines me to believe this a misconception. Pure cannabis sativa is again equatorial hazes & those simply would never grow in regions above & below the equator where it was just as actively being cultivated those umteen thousand years ago. Those would inevitably be bred with indica & more importantly many forms of land race ruderalis many times over through out time! It seems this confusion is due to History simply not altering the later information/claims when new species L. were classified. The read is not half bad! Have you experienced 16+week flowing super low yielding(psm) equatorial sativa's?

 

[artic]

I don't know anyone who has grown sativa plants that you describe, but it sounds like something I would like to experience.

The late classification of ruderalis may indicate that hemp plants grown in certain areas have mixed genetics, but my understanding is that rudrealis does not yeild fiber as long as sativa, and since the fiber is the main money maker in a hemp crop pure sativas are always used. I don't have direct experience with hemp production, however, and am a bit hesitant to stand by any generalization. You will notice, however, that in the ingredients list of any "hemp" product, what is listed is "cannabis sativa", not indica or ruderalis.

My very limited knowledge of ruderalis is that it is a mostly wild variety without a history of cultivation as long as indica or sativa. The short history of cultivation probably explains the low THC content in most ruderalis. Maybe in a few hundred years ruderalis will be considered just as good as indica or sativa. Ruderalis is a very hearty plant, and can survive in colder temperatures, making it appealing to strain breeders in cold climates such as Alaska. I don't think it has much history in temperate climates because indicas and sativas both grow readily. Cannabis sativa produces plenty of plant, so to speak, in temperate zones, but in order to reach full bud potential they really need to be grown in the tropics, in my opinion.

 

[jspun]

Getting back to the original focus of this article and not a debate about indica vs sativa vs ruderalis. Regarding Panama Red. My understanding is that there is a small amount of cannabis grown in the Pearl Islands mostly for domestic consumption. Can one obtain anything approaching the clasical Panama Red from this source?

 

[jspun]

Put another way... can one find the original Panama Red landrace still in panama, or how are the buds in panama and what does one find?

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

The THC gets you "HIGH" And sativas are not weak by any means or "low in thc", it was PURELY the flowering time, indicas flowering time is like HALF that of the mexican sativas... maybe not half but at least 5 weeks less.

well thai's flower in reality around 24weeks for a yield about 30g's where as cannabis Indica goes 8weeks and yeilds about 60gs. Cannabis grown in thai land is said to maintain the highest levels of thc as far as enviro conditions go.

I now have no doubt that sativa's as well as indica's & rud. have been used in hemp production at some point in there history.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

what do you mean by indicas give it a greater bag appeal? aren't most mids in the U.S. indica? wtf happened to sativa?

I haven't smoked in over half a decade but I remember that Sativas were around but not nearly as prevalent or common as Indicas/Indica dominant strains, is it mainly all Indica nowadays? As for the strains I have no idea what most of them are I just remember one my friend's roommate had that we smoked and it was Trainwreck.

 

[jspun]

I love tropical Sativas. In Hawaii I got the best buds I every smoked. Puna buds from the big islands were number one I got from one of the locals in oahu was a childhood friend of a friends. They were very laid back, mellow, sweet and completely went with the environment. Maui bud comes next dark green small buds almost purple shade. Sweet taste and the high so strong but mellow I was practically seing infra red- smoked in Lahaina. Next a realy good brownish bud i got at a dead show from a guy who said he just came from Bali. Tasted like thati bud but tastier. But always wondered about panama red. Anyone taste it and what is the high like? Got to be someone out there. Anyone ever see it at on the menus in Holland?