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Panadeine and Paracetamol - Potential Liver Damage

AyahuascaSeeker13

AyahuascaSeeker13

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Just had a check up at the docs... Some good news, some pretty fucking shit house news.

Cholesterol dropped from 6.2 to 3.9 - Woo hoo, that's the good news.

Now, some of you may know I was a bit of a codeine fiend, never could be fucked with CWE, so was popping 4 panadeine fortes at a time, twice a day at a minimum for a period of about 6 months. Not only that, I was always taking Aspro Clear for some fucking reason. God knows why, but I would have like 4 tabs a day of this too... No idea why the hell I did that. I am guessing this is why my liver is now FUCKED.

Anyway... long story short, my liver aint lookin too good at all... They wanna do ultrasounds and more blood work, but I fuckin hate doctors... I'm gonna have to regardless I think.

So just a warning to anyone out there, I'm only 28, and having a fucked liver aint a good thing... DONT OVERDOSE ON PARACETAMOL, it may be a weak ass drug, but it's a fuckin nightmare by the looks of it!

How do I go about repairing this whole liver damage bullshit? Any ideas? (other than not taking panadeine etc... which i'm not).
 
AyahuascaSeeker13 said:
Just had a check up at the docs... Some good news, some pretty fucking shit house news.

Cholesterol dropped from 6.2 to 3.9 - Woo hoo, that's the good news.

Now, some of you may know I was a bit of a codeine fiend, never could be fucked with CWE, so was popping 4 panadeine fortes at a time, twice a day at a minimum for a period of about 6 months. Not only that, I was always taking Aspro Clear for some fucking reason. God knows why, but I would have like 4 tabs a day of this too... No idea why the hell I did that. I am guessing this is why my liver is now FUCKED.

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What did you do to drop your cholesterol like that, and over what period of time?

My Cholesterol is 6.4, and my triglicerides are through the roof. It's because my liver is fucked and just as if you injur yourself externally you'll bleed blood, the liver bleeds proteins and cholesterol. My liver is also very painful when I push it or bend over. You can tell how bad your liver is leaking proteins by how much froth you see floating on top of the water when you piss into a toilet

You've mentioned your liver is fucked but not mentioned why you think that. What are your symptoms, what did the DR say?
 
Well... I dropped my Cholesterol in a 5 month period... Stopped smoking, and was on Crestor 10mg once a day... I also ate a little healthier... That's it really. Oh, I also did take a natural supplement, I can't think what it is called from the top of my head, but the DR said it must have helped as Crestor will not reduce it that fast.

The DR just told me, my liver is NOT GOOD AT ALL. Symptom wise, I don't really have anything... Sometimes I feel bloated etc... But that's about it. Perhaps the DR is just one of those who like to scare people... I don't know... I found this stuff called Liver Juice by Primordial Performance, I might give it a try and see if it helps.
 
Yeah fish oil has something to do with lowering cholesterol. I know i've heard that before, also reduces Triglycerides, which is one of the liver proteins most commonly 'bled' out of the liver when damaged. So I might try that. I don't think 2x doses of 4panadeine fortes a dose really would do much damage considering you can take a maximum of 8 in a day. But maybe if you take it with alcohol or take it daily for 6months it will damage your liver. I guess if you dont' drink alcohol or not very often you could have paracetamol cirrhosis of the liver.

Interestingly I have no physical scarring of the liver [they did an ultra sound on me], just it doesn't work very well, and I have this cholesterol problem which I think is liver related and it's painful. I blame a mixture of paracetamol and alcohol.
 
Hope it turns out not to be too serious Aya seeker? Please give us an update once you've had the furhter tests? I would have thought 8 panadeine forte a day wouldn't have been too bad over a short period of time, a family member of mine akes more (legitimately) and has done so for 15 odd years. :(

I am also assuming the alcohol would have made matters worse.

As far as supplements go also look into milk thistle.

Oh i changed the thread title slightly to distinguish it from other codeine threads.
 
 
Thanks Belarki, i'll update once I know what's up... I was pretty much doing around 16 a day, the least was 8... so double what was suggested... That as well as CWE codeine when I could be bothered...

I'll look into Milk Thistle... Thank Footscrazy... how you been?
 
Doesn't sound that bad to me. The aspirin shouldn't have done anything to your liver, completely different to paracetamol. Why do you think it is the reason your liver is damaged?

Paracetamol is a very benign drug up to (and a little beyond) the recommended dosing. It's only dangerous when you take more and saturate the usual metabolic pathway, causing creation of oxidative metabolites/by-products through an alternate pathway. It's mainly an issue in acute overdoses. I'd be surprised if you had any significant long-term damage from what you were taking, especially in the absence of symptoms. 8g/day is bad (recommended 4g), but if you're an average or larger male then it probably isn't really going to do too much unless there's a reason for it to accumulate.

Short-term features of overdose might include pain, nausea, etc. Long-term liver damage is things like jaundice, abnormal bleeding/bruising, swelling (ankles, abdomen), etc.. Probably your liver function tests were up and the dr was (correctly) trying to scare you into cutting back. As Belarki suggested, alcohol could've contributed any liver damage, and also it can elevate some of your liver function tests without causing damage.

Congrats on the cholesterol ;) Stay safe

May I ask why you "fuckin hate doctors"? They're mostly just doing their job, and it's a pretty tough one at that.
 
I had an upper abdominal ultrasound and was told I have a bit of a "fatty liver" which sounds like it may be somewhat similar to you, I have had large amounts of codeine/paracetamol/ibuprofen like you too, perhaps more acutely but not daily for 6 months, am 31.
Anyway this can be brought on by paracetamol or alcohol among other things but is most commonly fatty diet, a combo for me but most likely the poor diet which I have now rectified.

Good news is that it is reversible but if you don't shape up a bit it can end in cirrhosis and bad liver damage over the decades, but don't get too worked up now just take it as a warning shot to stop daily/long term use of alcohol/paracetamol in high doses. Doc is probably not sugar coating it because they reckon it is seriously a good idea to stop the paracetamol/codeine, which it undoubtably is.
 
I've been popping the same stuff without doing the CWE, the next day my piss is always dark yellow, I'm definatly going to stop this :S
 
AyahuascaSeeker13 said:
Just had a check up at the docs... Some good news, some pretty fucking shit house news.

Cholesterol dropped from 6.2 to 3.9 - Woo hoo, that's the good news.

Now, some of you may know I was a bit of a codeine fiend, never could be fucked with CWE, so was popping 4 panadeine fortes at a time, twice a day at a minimum for a period of about 6 months. Not only that, I was always taking Aspro Clear for some fucking reason. God knows why, but I would have like 4 tabs a day of this too... No idea why the hell I did that. I am guessing this is why my liver is now FUCKED.

Anyway... long story short, my liver aint lookin too good at all... They wanna do ultrasounds and more blood work, but I fuckin hate doctors... I'm gonna have to regardless I think.

So just a warning to anyone out there, I'm only 28, and having a fucked liver aint a good thing... DONT OVERDOSE ON PARACETAMOL, it may be a weak ass drug, but it's a fuckin nightmare by the looks of it!

How do I go about repairing this whole liver damage bullshit? Any ideas? (other than not taking panadeine etc... which i'm not).
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I thought it was common knowledge that Paracetamol does liver damage if you take too much, and that if you overdose it can cause a slow, painful death? Guess not.

I would think that someone called "Ayahuasca seeker" would know more about the drugs he is putting into his body. I hope you realise that Ayahuasca contains a MAOI drug as well as DMT, and taking a MAOI drug can be deadly if you take certain other drugs (such as MDMA, Amphetamines, SSRI anti-depressants, Alcohol) and even a lot of common foods.
 
It is crucial to everyone to do CWEs!!!!!!

I donno why something so simple to do and so much better for our body isn't being practiced by everyone that wants to get high off codiene.

dont think just because you are using a low dosage codiene you dont need to use cwe. JUST DO IT!!!

its only an extra 10-15min work be4 you getting high. and your body will forever thank you for it.

I hope your liver isn't that bad dude. I hope it will recover swiftly. and I hope you have learned your lesson and start using CWE when getting high off codiene
 
Revoran said:
I thought it was common knowledge that Paracetamol does liver damage if you take too much, and that if you overdose it can cause a slow, painful death? Guess not.

I would think that someone called "Ayahuasca seeker" would know more about the drugs he is putting into his body. I hope you realise that Ayahuasca contains a MAOI drug as well as DMT, and taking a MAOI drug can be deadly if you take certain other drugs (such as MDMA, Amphetamines, SSRI anti-depressants, Alcohol) and even a lot of common foods.
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No need to be an arrogant dick. He clearly knows it was bad. I guess you've never been addicted to anything? Do you also assume that everyone who smokes doesn't know the damage it causes, or that everyone who IVs street drugs thinks it's safe? People do dangerous things to get high or satisfy addiction, welcome to the real world.
 
Revoran said:
I thought it was common knowledge that Paracetamol does liver damage if you take too much, and that if you overdose it can cause a slow, painful death? Guess not.

I would think that someone called "Ayahuasca seeker" would know more about the drugs he is putting into his body. I hope you realise that Ayahuasca contains a MAOI drug as well as DMT, and taking a MAOI drug can be deadly if you take certain other drugs (such as MDMA, Amphetamines, SSRI anti-depressants, Alcohol) and even a lot of common foods.
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Seeing as your new here, you are not going to make any friends by speaking like a cock sucker... I know far more about all this shit than the average person, just didn't think that it would do any damage over the course of 6 months... ADDICTION fuck wit... I hope you never have to go through it. Gee, some people make me really think about shit...
 
Divine Moments said:
No need to be an arrogant dick. He clearly knows it was bad. I guess you've never been addicted to anything? Do you also assume that everyone who smokes doesn't know the damage it causes, or that everyone who IVs street drugs thinks it's safe? People do dangerous things to get high or satisfy addiction, welcome to the real world.
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Thank you... Some people just don't know what reality is. What a clown.

HEADDAH, I agree... CWE is 100% NECESSARY if you are taking Codeine.

scantraxx, misson accomplished, if I can help just one person not do what I did, i'm happy... Be careful mate, do everything safely.
 
I guess do urself a favour n be gentle on liver n it will recover 100% if you have have at least 1/3 still good. Being sober or half way to sober will be good for you anyway, prolly will reduce tollerance slightly, so lower doses later (hopefully)


Lol @ newb prolly only smoked bud once n thinks hes a expert
 
Easy on the new guy dudes, don't wanna scare him away :)


Ayahuasca, I really hope the damage isn't too extensive mate. The liver is a pretty resilient organ and as others have said, I'd be surprised if it was indeed completely fucked from what you've told us. Go to a health food/supplement store and get some milk thistle extract and start taking those every day. In addition to this try and eat as healthily as you can, lots of fresh fruit and vegies, and drink 2-3 litres of water a day. That should help also. And please please avoid alcohol and any other drugs that are metabolised by the liver, at all costs!!

It sucks that you had to have this scary wake-up call in order for you to realise the importance of CWEs. But if your experience can teach others, such as scantraxx, the importance of doing CWEs then hopefully your liver damage hasn't been in vain. CWEs are piss-easy, take about 5 minutes, and then you don't have to worry even a tiny bit about how much paracetamol you're ingesting.

Good luck, take care of yourself, and don't be afraid of all the doctors, they are going to help you! :)
 
^ Thanks mate... hahaha we just playing with the new dude!

Yeah, I am hoping it's not too bad. I have stopped alcohol totally (1 week, and I don't miss it). I have replaced it with weed, and if I feel the urge to drink, I take an Etizolam and i'm cool... Don't know if that's metabolised through liver, I need to look into that one. I will DEF be doing CWE's in future, your right, 5 mins and it's a LOT fuckin safer than poppin 4 - 8 panadiene fortes at once, DEF will be doing this...

Now my dislike for Doctors... They prescribe the most bullshit fuckin shit that ends up making you worse than you were before. I also hate dealing with anything/anyone where I need to supply my personal details... I don't know why (possibly PTSD from jail still which I am STILL dealing with daily), I hate any kind of Government department having my address, name etc... Maybe i'm just nuts, who knows.
 
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