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www.theguardian.com

As a former IDF soldier and historian of genocide, I was deeply disturbed by my recent visit to Israel

The long read: This summer, one of my lectures was protested by far-right students. Their rhetoric brought to mind some of the darkest moments of 20th-century history – and overlapped with mainstream Israeli views to a shocking degree
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I have only skimmed through this on mobile and it seemed VERY interesting, definitely one of the most relevant pieces wrote about the situation. Imma gonna brew coffee and open it on computer and read through.
 
Apparently IDF soldier have admitted to using Palestinian civilians as human shields.

"'Our lives are more important than their lives': Gazans not suspected of terrorism are detained and sent as human shields to search tunnels and houses before IDF soldiers enter, with the full knowledge of senior Israeli officers, several sources say; IDF claims this practice is forbidden"

www.haaretz.com

IDF uses Gazan civilians as human shields to inspect potentially booby-trapped tunnels

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"One of the soldiers who participated in the abduction of Palestinians for being used as human shields told the daily that they take “pride” in it.

Soldiers’ accounts are similar to a report published by Al-Jazeera in June, which showed soldiers dressing Palestinians in Israeli uniforms, attaching cameras on them to be sent to destroyed compounds.

Another soldier told Haaretz that they abducted a 16-year-old Palestinian boy for being used as a human shield."

 
I respect every colour and creed. But Israel have been taking the piss for years with illegal settlements in Palestinian territory, can you blame young Palestinian people for rising against this? What hamas carried out in October 23 was a horrendous, despicable and horrendous act against innocent people enjoying a rave. That being said, I, and the government running my country recognise Palestine as a sovereign state, therefore Israeli incursions are illegal under UN convention.
Those who believe its a religious conflict need to read up some more and garner the full story. It might make you look at things in a different, more enlightened view.
Three sides to every story as usual. His version, Her version and to make up number 3, the truth. Everything went backwards when Yasser Arafat died. Any positive, forward thinking policy was reset. I'm rambling, Palestinian isn't recognised as a state by 99% of the United Nations members, therefore it seems Israel are free to ignore borders at will, make incursions and target civilians at will. This is not acceptable in this day and age.
 
Jen X said:
And hamas isn't?
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Hamas are real terrorists....and like almost all teroristic groups established probably by special services to play their own game and to play game of their curators....Is this massacre made by Hamas was some accident?....just slept off by one of the most powerful secret services-Shin Bet?A breakthrough the most guarded fence in the world( along with those separating two Koreas?)A sensors there detects even a cockroach....Sorry,but only man who think with difficulties can imagine such thing....no...i think there is something much more deep,much more complicated.....it's about staying at power some political groups.....it's about money.....in other word-this is a carefuly played by numerous players scenario
 
So, both sides suck. (not my belief totally, but let's start there)
Now, let's say we just had a magical reset and no one has had loved ones die by the other side's hands.

So, here's the query. Where does everyone live? Where do the Palestinians go and set up shops, build homes?
Do they have any land to call their own?
 
mal3volent said:
apnews.com

Blinken says Israel OKs a plan to break the cease-fire impasse and urges Hamas to do the same

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken did not say whether the latest proposal addressed Israel’s demands for control over two strategic corridors inside Gaza, which Hamas has said is a nonstarter, or other issues that have long bedeviled the negotiations.
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Hopefully Hamas does the right thing for their people, for once.
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“It’s also time to make sure that no one takes any steps that could derail this process,”

That's hilarious, right after Israel assassinates the primary negotiator
 
I have a very strong opinion on that. Roger waters expresses my side very good on the joe rogan podcast. Jist lsiten
 
Palestines are not allowed to travel, where the were born.
They are not allowed to travel on normal roads, those are for the jews.
Gun violance and hunger and fear, all over the place.
Israel has established an arpartheid , worse than in south africa, even Mandela and Desmond tutu said that.
As for Madela, he was a terrorist, now a hero. Times change.

I do not , like ever, find anything good in terrorism. In germany , we had the RAF.
England, Spain, look is up. Terrorist groups, killing with bombs. Never good. Never a solution, or is it?
Anyway, the killings of israelic jews ? Terrible. Horrible, unspeakable crimes. Killing deserved. ( clarification: I mean the terrorists)
But do they really speak for the general population?
Do we acknowlegde that there might be homemade reasons, for an uprising of people?
 
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