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Neither does nihilism.

Edited to add that violence doesn't exclude either of these ideologies either, so as usual I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
 
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I would also hope that but many didn't believe the risks and others are sick of rewarding the poor governance of the democrats.
I'll say poor communication. Biden did a number of good things at least tending us in the right direction.
Even if the republicans are offering terrible, harmful policy they at least offer *something*
Unfortunately that "something" is entertainment while they pick our pockets.
We agree. Except that the alternative to vote "against" is so bad that I don't support trashing Dems before the election. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I definitely don't support protest votes.
An elegant solution would be to nuke em. Nuke the lot of em on both sides. Gaza, Israel. Iran. Fuck it while we're at it, let's hit Belgium too. Then wave your finger at the rest of the world and say "now don't do it again".

A problem atomized is a problem that no longer permeates the news cycle.
So, you think it would be moral, or at least "realistic" for any of those actors to initiate terrorist attacks on US soil?
 
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An elegant solution would be to nuke em. Nuke the lot of em on both sides. Gaza, Israel. Iran. Fuck it while we're at it, let's hit Belgium too. Then wave your finger at the rest of the world and say "now don't do it again".

A problem atomized is a problem that no longer permeates the news cycle.
A better solution, Nuking is so harsh will effect the whole Earth.
And one on Belgium, then we Dutch are gone too, nothing lost but ...

A better solution our first in the world ! A Dutch invention the FETID-bomb.
FETID- real bad smell, a putid skunky stink bomb. Based on Durian.
And learn [force] em to maybe consider solving it peacefully.

Nice fantasy right, knew lot of Jews that after doing their army duty.
Fled Israel, who totally not agree on the situation there,
or their gouvernement s way handling it.
 
I'll say poor communication. Biden did a number of good things at least tending us in the right direction.

Unfortunately that "something" is entertainment while they pick our pockets.
We agree. Except that the alternative to vote against is so bad that I don't support trashing Dems before the election. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I definitely don't support protest votes.

So, you think it would be moral, or at least "realistic" for any of those actors to initiate terrorist attacks on US soil?
I genuinely think the dems trashed themselves by being okay with moving so far to the right, abandoning the working class, and offering nothing

Yes I understand the things offered by republicans is just entertainment but that doesn't matter because it gets then votes. Why won't the dems do the same thing? Just fucking lie like R does. Tell us you'll give us universal healthcare, tell us you'll give us universal childcare and free school lunches. Just fucking lie and get the votes, its obvious the truth doesn't matter in politics and it probably never did

Dems are trying to play chess, following all the rules to a T, while Mitch McConnell turns into a duck and shits on the board. Who gives a fuck, republicans regularly ignore and twist rules to suit them so the dems had better step the fuck up because thank to their inaction now we have packed courts
 
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Anyone notice a huge drop off in the amount of Gaza related media with the conclusion of the election?

State sponsored propaganda is everywhere.

I think Russian election interference is a much larger problem than reported.
 
Anyone notice a huge drop off in the amount of Gaza related media with the conclusion of the election?

State sponsored propaganda is everywhere.

I think Russian election interference is a much larger problem than reported.
I suspect Russia is involved at least online but the major media corporations are primarily captured by business interests and will shift to whatever is convenient at the time to control the attention of the public
 
Anyone notice a huge drop off in the amount of Gaza related media with the conclusion of the election?
Certainly not on youtube. I'm always getting adverts of some warbling Palestinian woman speaking gibberish I can't understand, begging for money.

I can't wait for the Americanized Gaza strip. Finally we might be able to hear some other news for a change, other oppressions from around the world that no one gets a chance to hear about.
 
Certainly not on youtube. I'm always getting adverts of some warbling Palestinian woman speaking gibberish I can't understand, begging for money.
I have noticed it on youtube, legacy media, and especially reddit.

I see almost no content anymore, especially the anti-israeli stuff, the stuff "exposing" their "war crimes", etc.


I can't wait for the Americanized Gaza strip. Finally we might be able to hear some other news for a change, other oppressions from around the world that no one gets a chance to hear about.
Man, this is only going to make the Islamic countries hate the west even more... it's only going to cause more wars, more terrorism, etc...

I was shocked Trump so casually suggested it. I thought he would be relatively pacifist on the conflict.

I don't even think Trump knows what the fuck is going on over there.
 
Man, this is only going to make the Islamic countries hate the west even more... it's only going to cause more wars, more terrorism, etc...
And, when the terrorism happens, the hard core 'Merica folks will say, "It's because we are too free.".

No matter what you think of the Palestinians and/or what has been happening, you don't just poke the bear. That's plain stupid. You deal with the bear carefully until and if you are ready to move decisively. Antagonism and bluster work short term. If there is a terrorist attack on US soil, you can blame Trump.
 
I have noticed it on youtube, legacy media, and especially reddit. I see almost no content anymore, especially the anti-israeli stuff, the stuff "exposing" their "war crimes", etc.
Some of the threads on Reddit I liked to peruse seem to be filled with stories about Israel all the time. GreenAndPleasant, a supposedly British thread, you look at the main page and I can see several Israel related things. Which is ridiculous because in the UK we have loads of political things that need our attention more. The entire thread seems to have been co-opted by a particular political bent of people.
Man, this is only going to make the Islamic countries hate the west even more... it's only going to cause more wars, more terrorism, etc..
No matter what you think of the Palestinians and/or what has been happening, you don't just poke the bear. That's plain stupid. You deal with the bear carefully until and if you are ready to move decisively. Antagonism and bluster work short term. If there is a terrorist attack on US soil, you can blame Trump.
But all this is predicated on the notion that we're dealing on equal footing here, that our cultures and mindsets are equivalent, when they're clearly not. Yes, the West should not have dicked around in the ME, I'll be the first to lay out those crimes and that is a fucking disgrace without question, but the Germans (or inter-European relations) don't begrudge each other for what happened during WW2.. they are not seeking revenge and attacking innocent people for it.. in fact we are neurotic about doing all we can to avoid conflict these days, which is part of the issue with the Islamic thing; there's a blind spot in a lot of people regarding Islam, they want to see it on equal footing when perhaps it is not deserving of that.

Look at what happened after the Southport attack last Summer in the UK. We had loads of Muslims, most likely of Pakistani origin, roaming the streets with weapons - what a disaster that would have been if guns were legal - looking for what, exactly? That is the issue, the divergence in cultural mindset. These people are guests in this country, we just suffered a horrendous barbaric attack on children, which the British public were rightly outraged about , and what do these Muslims think is the most appropriate response? To make it about them, to brandish fucking weapons, instead of saying "Shit, that's terrible. You know what, maybe we should do a bit more to root out the issues in our communities, ask questions of why this seems to happen so much", etc.

With the Palestinians you're talking about a culture that for decades has been inverted. Half of the fault lies with the tension between them and the Israeli's, the other half is their own doing due to inherent religious and cultural patterns. We can look to any number of European countries now and point to clear evidence of what will happen if these people go elsewhere, they will simply bring all their problems with them, do nothing to change, and just try to inflict their cultural pattern on the host nation.

Sweden has had 1 explosion every single day in January. That is nuts. Grenade attacks, shootings, etc. Literally the most peaceful nation on Earth, invited a bunch of these culturally incompatible people in, gave them everything, and it did not work. The same with the UK. The amount of free money and handouts these people get is ridiculous, and have they used it to prosper and grow? Nope.
 
The amount of free money and handouts these people get is ridiculous, and have they used it to prosper and grow? Nope.
Will be interesting to see if it was partially funded by the U.S. like importing "refugees" to Ireland was, and if it slows down now

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But all this is predicated on the notion that we're dealing on equal footing here, that our cultures and mindsets are equivalent, when they're clearly not.
This sets the tone for what your entire post essentially said, that Muslims and/or Palestinians are less than we are. I expected you to say "subhuman", but you didn't quite get there.
the Germans (or inter-European relations) don't begrudge each other for what happened during WW2..
I'm really glad you brought up the aftermath of WW2. I often use it as an example of just how bad what Israel is doing is.
After WW2, we rebuilt Germany and Japan. Yes, we also occupied them, but temporarily and one thing we sure didn't do was to say, "OK, this is our land now and y'all have to get out. Sorry about your luck.". Think that might have something to do with the anger? Calling them subhuman is kinda convenient.

Ironic that Israel has adopted, no hugely expanded, the idea of "Lebensraum".
 
This sets the tone for what your entire post essentially said, that Muslims and/or Palestinians are less than we are. I expected you to say "subhuman", but you didn't quite get there.
You, and others, really need to stop that judgemental assumption. You are projecting that on to me when I said nothing of the sort, and all that does is prevent you from being open to dialogue and potentially growing your perspective.

It's just a fact of life. We are not all equal, not all cultures are equal, but then does not mean one is 'sub-human' or 'inferior' to another or that we have to treat them from that vantage point. It's no different to a classroom, we (ideally) do not begrudge those with lesser or even greater intelligence relative to ourselves, and the teacher should not either. This is the second time you've jumped on that sensationalist attitude of wanting to see the very worst when it wasn't actually stated in that way; that attitude does not help anyone, and it's poisonous to discussion and political debate generally in the real world. It's why we're so messed up now, because political correctness has taught people to actually assume the worst about their debating opposition.

Muslims and/or Palestinians are not equivalent to where we are culturally. That is just an undisputable fact. In the UK Muslim community we have first-cousin marriages occurring which leads to visible and invisible birth defects (neurological/intelligence deficiency), whereas in the native population it has been common knowledge for generations to not do that because it is dangerous for the unborn children. That is just one example, an extreme example, but there are many others.

We were there in the distant past too. We're all evolving, but we're not all evolving at the same speed. There is nothing inherently good or bad about that, that is just nature doing what nature does, it is an amoral process.
 
You, and others, really need to stop that judgemental assumption. You are projecting that on to me when I said nothing of the sort, and all that does is prevent you from being open to dialogue and potentially growing your perspective.

It's just a fact of life. We are not all equal, not all cultures are equal, but then does not mean one is 'sub-human' or 'inferior' to another or that we have to treat them from that vantage point. It's no different to a classroom, we (ideally) do not begrudge those with lesser or even greater intelligence relative to ourselves, and the teacher should not either. This is the second time you've jumped on that sensationalist attitude of wanting to see the very worst when it wasn't actually stated in that way; that attitude does not help anyone, and it's poisonous to discussion and political debate generally in the real world. It's why we're so messed up now, because political correctness has taught people to actually assume the worst about their debating opposition.

Muslims and/or Palestinians are not equivalent to where we are culturally. That is just an undisputable fact. In the UK Muslim community we have first-cousin marriages occurring which leads to visible and invisible birth defects (neurological/intelligence deficiency), whereas in the native population it has been common knowledge for generations to not do that because it is dangerous for the unborn children. That is just one example, an extreme example, but there are many others.

We were there in the distant past too. We're all evolving, but we're not all evolving at the same speed. There is nothing inherently good or bad about that, that is just nature doing what nature does, it is an amoral process.
Ah. I see. When you said the Palestinians and "the west" were "not equals", you meant they were culturally inferior.
Lol. I didn't respond before and I almost didn't now because I'm finding the best way is to just let you keep talking.
 
Ah. I see. When you said the Palestinians and "the west" were "not equals", you meant they were culturally inferior.
Lol. I didn't respond before and I almost didn't now because I'm finding the best way is to just let you keep talking.

Would you have the same issue with these statements if they were directed at American culture or say, early 20th century German culture?
 
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