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Pain Butrans bupe/opiate addict help

Read the OP, skipped most of the rest (sorry <3). But I recognised enough of my own situation in the OP to not need the rest...

I also suffer with chronic back pain. Congenital deformity of upper vertebrae. No surgery. No cure. Just pain forever.

I also fell in love with poppy products the moment I discovered them. How exactly I discovered them varies each time I try to recall. But whatever the case, I started small and ended up on heroin... quite soon after starting small :!

Opies block all kindsa pain... temporarily. But for purely physical pain, bupe is the shit. Imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc. No I can't play with other opies as much as I used to. I really don't consider that a drawback though cos am now (finally) pretty much (physical) pain-free most of the time. If you're taking opies for other forms of pain bupe may not be of much use, but for purely physical pain it's an absolute godsend <3

Opiate addiction is hell. Okay, it's also great at times. But is mostly hell taken over any given length of time. And over longtime it's always hell. No exceptions.

My view is that you need to decide what it is you really want. Do you want to get fukked or live without pain? If the former bupe is not your best friend... although I can assure you you can get fukked on bupe too... and use other opies if you really want to (just takes a lil forward planning is all). If you want to be without (physical) pain pure and simple then you've just been thrown a pretty frikkin decent bone. I wouldn't piss on it if I were you. Yes other opies are fun. Who wouldn't want an oxy script? Honestly? Me. I wouldn't. I'd just abuse it and get no enjoyment nor pain relief out of it. But cos I'm on bupe I can take it or leave it. And I only need take it for recreational purposes now.

Bupe is an excellent painkiller. Far better than most opies (imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc). Is actually my #1 choice pain med. Other opies are just too fukkin easy to abuse and lose all medicinal value from. I take my bupe every day and am no longer in pain. If I want to get poppy-fukked I can just skip a day or two (surprisingly easy to do on bupe (imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc)) and get poppy-fukked.

I really don't see a problem here. Other than I have no idea about the patches cos have never used those. I get 12mg of (sublingual) bupe per day for my back pain and it does the trick pretty much every day. May need to be upped a tad cos am still in the early stages of treatment (second month) and some of the generic brands don't dissolve so well (which makes a big difference with bupe). But once you're on the drug you can easily negotiate doses. Should be able to anyway.

As for the generic opi-habit, get over it. Plain and simple. You can't have (proper) pain relief with most opies cos the dose has to go up and up and up and up and... and then it just doesn't work. And, let's face it, we're just abusing it and chasing our tails at that point. For me at least, bupe is the one and only opi I more or less never need to up once I've found my painkilling dose. However, if I do choose to up it (as I did tonight - an extra 6mg so far and am pretty fukkin fukked as a result) you can do so once stabilised. Or can take in other ways than prescribed (dunno 'bout patches though).

Either way, bupe is a step forward (imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc). If ya wanna get fuxxorrated daily then look elsewhere... but look here if you wanna get fuxxorrated only sometimes and be pain-free inbetween. If you want to be pain-free and not have to fuck about then bupe is your friend. Imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc. Not to mention its other benefits (energy boost, positivity boost, anti-anxiety, anti-depression, etc). However, I've always been a bupe evangelist cos it saved my life before and has now saved me from a life of chronic backpain.

It all comes down to a decision, opies for "fun" or opies for necessity or opies for pain relief. Ya takes yer pick. For me, bupe fills all three categories if needs be but the third one is most important to me cos can have the other two any time I choose to if I plan it right. I really don't see a problem here. If you need a higher dose then ask for it once on it. I've always found docs are most amenable to altering bupe doses to suit once you're on it. Dunno 'bout patches cos have never used 'em. The ones you've been offered sound kinda weak to me but not totally unreasonable. I'd take it and negotiate from there. At least I would if I wanted to stay on bupe. If you want other opies who knows? Depends on your doc and any number of things. Mainly on you though. Yes oxy is a better painkiller. Yes it is more fun. But in both cases that is transient. Bupe does both jobs reasonably well and stays the distance like no other opi has a chance of doing. Imo, ime, ymmv, etc, etc.

Pain clinics in the UK are shite. I'd think carefully before turning your nose up...

Good luck and hope the pain is less painful soon <3
 
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Well, I am prescribed bupe in the form of sublingual pills for pain management so... ;)

I do have to go through an addiction service though. Same one I've been with for over a decade. Official NHS guidelines changed recently so docs are now strongly "discouraged" from prescribing opies and benzos for anything beyond acute situations. For any chronic conditions you either get transferred to a pain clinic or get shit all beyond paracetamol and NSAIDs. Pain clinics vary wildly across the country as far as I can tell.

I happen to have a very good and longterm relationship with both my GP and drug counselling service so the latter agreed to take over the former when the former felt he couldn't fight my corner any longer in terms of scripted opies and benzos. In my case my drug counselling service decided they were happy to take me on as a bupe patient on the grounds that I told everybody involved straight that I'd just take black market opies again if I could find no "legitimate" scripted analgesia. I gave in on the benzos and said I'd accept losing my script but would probably still use black/grey market benzos if I really need them but hoped I wouldn't given the switch from fukkin shitey co-codamol and/or tramadol to bupe. So far I've not felt the need to go back on benzos but am many years past being addicted to those or even particularly wanting them beyond comedowns and stuff.

Meh. To be perfectly honest, it varies so wildly here it's hard to say for sure. But, as I appear to be a living example of, bupe can be scripted in sublingual form for pain management if your GP and drug support workers work together. It may well be a bit of a touchy subject though cos I was told by the prescribing consultant to not tell him it was purely for pain management and to play up the relapse side.

Make of that what you will...
 
Cheers Shammy I have a feeling you was a lil stimmed whilst writing that? Sorry to hear about yer back dude, I know you had a hard time with opiates and its great that bupe has sorted that. The addict in me wants to just have one small run with some of the more exotic opiates I never had much time to play with. Then after that I know I'm done.

I want relief from physical pain as my number 1 priority most definitely! Which is a big reason for me having to get opiates or even fuckin cough sizzurp to take the pain away!. I know bupes effects as I've had them in pill form and patch form. The time I had pills was when WD'n from opiates mind and I seemed to get precipitated WD's despite waiting until I thought I was dying! As I say before that I just slapped on 10ucg patches that last over 7days and got quite fucked up taking tramadol with them! My pain wasn't really as evident then mind.

If you read about the patches Shambles...Even a 20ucg patch only releases half a 1mg tablet over the day for 7 days or something and I've been given 5ucgs!, that’s what someone has said in this thread anyhow?, they also said at the low dose it has virtually no opiate blocking effect? However they where talking Oxy...I'm only talking 600mg codeine! Luckily I have stockpiled a few tramadol (on 400mgs) and coca-codamols (addicted to 600mg's) as my doc has now taken me of them and Tram synergise well with bupe!!

I'm wondering if I’m going to have to WD from 600mg tram before going onto the patches which I can collect today. Or if I can continue to use opiates like normal to a slightly diminished effect?

Another thing is the pharmacy I have been getting a shit load of codeine sizzurp from (I literally don't ask now- she just grabs a bottle!) They are going to see my script and think SHIT he's got a codeine habit from us and will go into WD on these bupe patches! They might think I’ll shit on them saying they’ve supplied me with the codeine 4 times a week for years!

I did think I could get them to up my dose of 5ucg to 10 ucg… if i said I don't think 5ucgs will hold me, as I've been using alot of OTC meds from you?! I don't want to get these guys in shit as they have been good to me, knowing i needed the pain relief the docs would NEVER give.

A good friend gave me some pregabalin at 300mgs! Which is abit OTT! But there in caps so fuck messing around measuring powder. I'm waiting on another mate for 150mg's too :) I believe my pain doc will prescribe these as she asked if I'd used them before but silly me said I'd used them to not much effect...in attempt for stronger droogs. I really want pregab now as they seem to help alot!

On another note I have 3x10ucg patches at home already, 2x1mg bu;pe tabs, Tramadol, Co-codamol, and Poppy tea if I used a decent supplier this time!

Please someone tell me if i'll be OK putting the patches on later today and taking codeine etc etc. Can't write much more as i'm stressing!


I hope to try to get some Indicia hashish to get my kicks out of again since weed turned its back on me and gave me anxiety. Before this it helped immensly with pain however Hash seems to be non existant here! A 'mate' said his guy had morrocan hash which was £16 a g...but the bastard never told me! Apparently in the NL you can get 3g's or morroc for a tenner! His guy also chargers 80quid for an Oxy! I laughed!


HELP HELP HELP! Could stockpile the patches? Slap them all on whilst getting over opiate WD?! The last WD with bupe was worse than without aswell :S
 
yeah but brimz i know you have been on a long term script and maybe shambles has too. I think its a lot more difficult to get scripted these things now a days than it was whenver yoos first started your scripts. For people who are already on such scripts the drs know they cant just pull the plug on them.

Shambles: I'd love to have an 18mg Bupe script. I have to pay way over the odds for mine. Im trying to get off it, and am holding at 2mg now, down from uncounted doses. I just dread that there will almost inevitably be a black hole waiting for me once im off it. Nothing goes up without coming down.

At such big doses its no wonder you find it easy to skip a day or 2, it has a half life of atleast 37 hours.
 
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I think we all know docs are right twats these days mate :)

thats what ive been trying to say. No ones taking me seriously on that cos their experience is different, for one reason or another. Usually long term use.
 
MDB, think of it this way: it could be worse. Yer shipment of drugs could get confiscated before it reaches you, pissing off both sender and sendee.

Off to finish me half-empty glass =D

I'll PM you in a minute,git
 
@lazy i THINK you can use bupe and tramadol together, research before though but i think you can.

MDB, trust me you dont want a big bupe scripot. Its better than a methadone script my miles, but still not ideal, being hooked on any opiate aint good pal!
 
@lazy i THINK you can use bupe and tramadol together, research before though but i think you can.

MDB, trust me you dont want a big bupe scripot. Its better than a methadone script my miles, but still not ideal, being hooked on any opiate aint good pal!

i know, ive been there for 18 months, all be it on the milder opiates. Im sourcing the bupe myself, and after an initial wobble of drugs piggyness, im back on track with the reductions.
 
Fewkinghel, your not scripted em? They must cost you a bomb man, i have no idea why subbys go for so much on the black market but from what i've seen unless you have a mate scripted them, online they go for a stupid amount.

Have you thought about cold turkeying? You have enough on your plate with the mammoth of a benzo habit (iirc) and itd speed up your getting better massively if you cold turkeyed off the 2mg, spent a few days to a week of pain in bed, then going on naltrexone or something, or just putting it behind you? Easier said than done obviously, but it might be worthy a try, if you fail just pick up where you left off.

Glad to see you making sense when typing too, you seem infinitely better, on the ball and less paranoid/insane than a few weeks back, so well fucking done for that! I was in a similar position to you but worse a few years ago, but (kinda) thankfully the men in white coats came and took me away so i didn't train wreck too bad (in regards to online/irl, i got ahold of a phone for 2 minutes and really fucked up some IRL relationships lol, if id been left on my own i hate to think what woulda happened. Though i was dead when they found me, s'only when they brought me back and i didnt get my minimum 80mg of diaz i was on back then in the hospital that i literally lost my mind. Shits scary yo!

/pointless story, tldr: Nice to see you being you again rather than a crazy paranoid ignore machine =D :)
 
Yes bupe and Tramadol work together. Infact they synergise together lovely! My doc has pulled me off the tram now however!

@lazy i THINK you can use bupe and tramadol together, research before though but i think you can.

MDB, trust me you dont want a big bupe scripot. Its better than a methadone script my miles, but still not ideal, being hooked on any opiate aint good pal!
 
This is why I've never told my doc I'm a drug user...Amongst other repercussions.

especially if you are known as a drug user. IME ive got nil chance of getting anything like that. So i have to get it myself through other means, and pay way over the odds for doing so.
 
ck: yeah thanks. i havent even looked back at the posts i made during that period for the embarassment. i dont know what the hell was wrong with me (might have been ssri withdrawals) but im glad to be making sense again and not typing furiously in caps lock at everyone. Benzo habit is way more 'normalised' than before. Im too much of a baby to cold turkey, so will just prolong and stretch out my misery by tapering the bupe. But i will get there
 
Whats you're benzo/bupe dose if you don't mind me asking?

SSRI WD's are horrible! As are Tramadol since there also an SNRI...I cold turkied that the same time as a codeine habit and had a few fits in my bed! Luckily the ex gf was there to make sure I was OK. I soon went back onto diazepam! Looking back was very stupid to cold turkey that amount of benzos along with everything else! I just had enough.

At times I've had 500mg of valium! Not dicksizing atall..its embarrassing actually that I would take that much! The pure powder didn't help my tolerance any as I’d just take dabs! Also had a lot of eti powder pretty much in a day or two, with little effect :S

Shame I've fucked up benzo's great benefits and just order by the thousands now to maintain! I've got myself down to 60mg but at times if I’m pissed off or want to try get more fucked I will just have a handful! Very stupid I know I know. Benzos are the one drug I've constantly been able to get yet ironically the Dr's and pain clinic won't prescribe them for shit! Unless short term or if already addicted and even then I think the max they’re able to prescribe is 40mg's now?!



ck: yeah thanks. i havent even looked back at the posts i made during that period for the embarassment. i dont know what the hell was wrong with me (might have been ssri withdrawals) but im glad to be making sense again and not typing furiously in caps lock at everyone. Benzo habit is way more 'normalised' than before. Im too much of a baby to cold turkey, so will just prolong and stretch out my misery by tapering the bupe. But i will get there
 
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