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"OXI, OXI, OXI!" - Greece say no to blackmail

Ceres said:
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this a good easy to understand rundown of what exactly has happened to greece https://truthandsatire.wordpress.co...-biggest-lie-you-are-being-told-by-the-media/
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And more understanding from Owen Jones

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/06/greece-democracy-europe-eu

From the cradle of democracy, a lion has roared. It is difficult to overstate the pressure the Greek people have both endured and defied. A country that has already experienced an austerity-induced economic disaster with few precedents among developed nations in peacetime has suffered a sustained campaign of economic and political warfare. The European Central Bank – which has only recently deigned to publish some of the minutes of its meetings – capped liquidity for Greek banks, driving them to the verge of collapse. There were stringent capital controls, and desperate queues outside banks followed. A country desperate to stay within the euro was told it would be ejected, and with calamitous results.
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Martin Schulz, the European parliament’s president and a so-called social democrat, whose attitude towards democracy can be generously described as ambiguous, called for the removal of Greece’s elected government in favour of a technocratic government.
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It wasn’t bluster. That’s what the EU and the markets previously pulled off in Greece and, yes, in Italy: however much justifiable distaste exists for Silvio Berlusconi, it should have been his own people who removed him. In Greece itself, the oligarch-owned “free media” acted as a political machine (sound familiar?), pumping out relentless propaganda in favour of capitulating to the creditors’ demands. An alliance between Greece’s economic elite and the EU great powers told the Greek people: however tough your lives have been in the last few years, your world will cave in unless you acquiesce. And still the Greek people voted no – not narrowly, but overwhelmingly.
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It was Goldman Sachs who helped the then Greek government to cook the country’s books to win entry into the euro. It was German and French banks who profitably and recklessly lent to Greece, just as US banks disastrously showered subprime mortgages on low-paid Americans. It was Germany who benefited from being able to export its consumer goods to peripheral European countries such as Greece.

After the crash, Greece was forced to implement measures that sent debt hurtling to 180% of GDP, doubled poverty, left a quarter of Greeks and over half of young people without work, raised the suicide and infant mortality rate, left many without healthcare, and shrunk the economy by a quarter. Precious little of the bailouts went to Greece; instead they went to the European banks that had recklessly lent in the first place.
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Syriza was a revolt against this Europe of austerity and corporate power, in favour of a democratic, socially progressive Europe. Podemos in Spain is part of this revolt, as is Sinn Féin in Ireland. If the referendum had produced a yes, then it would have represented a potentially terminal defeat for this gathering pan-European revolt. Instead, it has now been emboldened. Unfortunately the EU elites are not stupid, and realise this. They fear – justifiably – that if Syriza is seen to win concessions, the rebellion will spread. The resignation of Yanis Varoufakis is almost certainly part of an attempt to allow them to save face and do a deal.
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The EU still wishes to make an example of the country: by forcing Syriza to implement policies that will destroy the government, by making “the economy scream” (to quote Henry Kissinger) until it is ejected from office, or even a disastrous default and removal from the eurozone. It may still succeed. And that is why Greece desperately needs support.
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Educate yourselves. The fight is on.
 
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Eurozone calls on Greece to get serious over debt crisis
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Is that fuck the troika or fuck the Guardian? What a ridiculous fucking headline. "Oh yeah, our population has no money or medicine because we've been bled dry by neoliberalism. May as well have a stand-up night."
 
The Guardian has sold out my love...why do you think its supposedly free online eh. Free my arse. Reuters is just about reliable, but hell I'd say take your news info from many sources and blogs these days... Alas social media is a quagmire, but hey ho, it has to be done 8)


The G is like the fucking daily mail these days :|
 
Bob Funkhouse said:
I can see where you're coming from there...especially if you read the comments. It's nowhere near as bad as the mail though.

In fact there is a hell of a lot to hate and hell of a lot like about the Guardian.


The G could really do with changing the people who come up with their headlines for their stories- it's all about clickbait n ridiculous titles these days.
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Off course its nothing like the DM *spew*but the quality of journalism and it's raison d'etre are to be questioned. I agree with you about clickbait etc but really the G was always assumed to be an independent voice...not now :\

I still read it mind :|
 
Check out the bias on ch4 news just now too - can only imagine how bad it is elsewhere.
 
Guardian is the fluffy end of the same media establishment as DM - with a few token radicals tacked on to keep the lefties on board (eg monbiot milne jones) - they provide a vital service to the corporate elite by framing the establishment consensus in a way that's superficially suitable for leftish sensibilities, helping create an illusion of media plurality - if you look at the general editorial output they consistently seem to line up behind obviously dodgy western state propaganda (eg ukraine, assange, greece, scotland).

This doesn't have to mean that the people who run the guardian are evil bond villains - they largely believe what they're saying, but if they didn't already believe certain things, they wouldn't have got the job in the first place (following chomsky's propaganda model). And just the fact that they're a corporation (albeit pretending that it's a trust) means they'll naturally tend towards views that help reproduce itself.

Sources like RT are vital to counteract bias in places like the guardian C4 and the bbc - but they've got their own biases obviously - in particular i've noticed more and more how RT tends to focus in wherever possible on far right stories when talking about europe and uk. Finding trustworthy independent media gets easier over time i think - the scottish referendum in particular produced several quality news sites (not all scottish focussed)
 
Hmm.... old skool has a lot to learn from new skool :|

Times are a changing.
 
SHM: I reckon you probably know most of these anyway but here's some of where i go:
the scottish ones are bella caledonia and wings over scotland;
various others piecemeal -
medialens message board is quite a good hub for stories elsewhere, as is information clearing house;
counterpunch,
craig murray,
nafeez ahmed's stories on insurge,
real news network,
Bill Blum's empire report's always excellent (though i think he's ill atm worryingly)
the saker for a good angle on russian stuff,
the trews isn't to be sniffed at (if you can stick russell),
and i like a bit of chunky mark to shout at the cunts for me (and some great interviews);

then less 'independent' stuff like the Intercept with gren gleenwald, amy goodman on democracy now (dodgy on some foreign policy), TeleSUR (south/central american news channel) has some good stuff and is now in english too. I've forgotten some i'm sure
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
Tsipras has totally sold out the referendum. I hope they burn down the Acropolis. Fucking beats selling it off.
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It is sounding that way. Syriza were elected on a mandate of no austerity measures, a referendum voted against austerity measures, and now A.T. seems to be talking of capitulating ..... WTF? Does he have a death wish, or something?
 
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