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"OXI, OXI, OXI!" - Greece say no to blackmail

StoneHappyMonday

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They have no money but they retain their dignity. Massive demo in Athens last night supporting Syriza and the right to say no to blackmail by european banks and the IMF.



This is a democratically elected government, elected on an anti-austerity platform. If they lose, they lose with dignity intact. If they win...may the fire of revolution spread freely across Europe.

Go Greece. OXI!
 
5 years ago Syriza was a political party that could barely get into Parliament...

No matter the outcome on Sunday, I truly believe democracy has won a few points the past few months in Greece.

Maybe, just maybe, we might see a future in which countries are run by coalition governments, made up of parties from a broad political spectrum. The two pole system, benefited only a few. Honestly, how can two political parties represent any country as a whole?

Lazy as everyone might think we are, we have been giving history a run for its money for a long long time... ;)
 
Laziness of greek people or otherwise doesn't come into it - this is about the vampire squid(s) vs democracy (where's godzirra when you need him (fixing fukushima hopefully)).

This isn't about debt (it's all funny money anyway) - the elite just want to punish any country that dares to stand against the tide of neoliberalism (the 'threat of a good example'). They're shit scared of these signs of actual democracy breaking out in what they consider as their herd - fighting back against this preemptively is already well underway in the form of 'combatting extremism'/thought police and stirring up/facilitating the right wing across europe - and probably the new cold war will give some more reasons to whittle out more 'fellow travellers' (rt viewers). Not to sound too alex jones but this neoliberal/banking system is the new world order, in the process of taking over all governments from the inside, hollowing them out and leaving shells owned and controlled by a wise randian corporate elite - this plan is nearly complete; the intersecting TTP treaties may be the final nail in the coffin for democracy and before we know where we are we'll be owned by the tyrell corporation. (cwor that did sound alex jonesy - i'll maybe come back after i've woken up properly and make it less paranoid ;)

OXI!
 
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"Then they used tanks. Now they use banks."
 
said last night on the last leg that if we all gave 3 euros each it could wipe the debt out but why should we ? ok people are suffering and thats wrong i mean you know the common man woman and child but it's their governments fuck up
 
Germany wobbles

After more than five months of eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation between Alexis Tsipras’s radical left-led government and Greece’s creditors, and with only hours to go before voting began, one of the most hawkish of the lenders appeared to blink. Germany’s finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, until now even more of a hardliner than his chancellor Angela Merkel, suddenly turned a more conciliatory face towards Athens.

Having previously insisted that a No vote on the lenders’ last terms would see their country forced out of the euro, Schäuble told the Bild newspaper that the choice before them on Sunday was between holding on to the euro and being “temporarily without it”.

It was far from clear what Schäuble had in mind, but economists have mooted the notion of a period in which Greece might go back to its national currency, the drachma, while its economy recovered.

With pharmacists in Athens reporting that the government had rationed the distribution of drugs, and fears being raised of food shortages within weeks, the finance minister of Europe’s biggest economy said: “It is clear that we will not leave the [Greek] people in the lurch.”

What effect Schäuble’s last-minute intervention may have on the vote is impossible to gauge. But it appears to favour the No camp.

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EDIT Although it is now being debated whether the Guardian hasn't made a major cock-up in translation. Following on from an article today they left unproof-read for 8 hours (and still have erroneously on their website) where they crucially mixed up the Greek words for 'yes' and 'no' this is not entirely beyond the realm at all.
 
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said last night on the last leg that if we all gave 3 euros each it could wipe the debt out but why should we ? ok people are suffering and thats wrong i mean you know the common man woman and child but it's their governments fuck up

The debt is funny money - it only ultimately exists in the numbers it does because nearly all countries have been strong-armed into a system where they can only borrow to invest using private banks (with interest), rather than have a nationalised bank which they can borrow from with zero interest. If you took off the interest component of government debts they would have shrunk away over time to nothing with inflation. Government debt and international banking as currently configured is a tool of financial warfare which has replaced the expensive old fashioned physical imperialism - some of the last few places in the world which didn't sign up to this international banking cartel (BIS) were iraq, iran, syria, lybia, serbia, somalia (notice any connection?)

"give me control of a nation's currency and i care not who makes the law" said jacob rothschild
 
Christine Lagarde, the International Monetary Fund managing director who provoked an angry reaction from the Greek people after telling them to pay their taxes, does not pay tax on her own salary, it has emerged.

i sincerely hope they tell the vampires to get stuffed.
 
For anyone who has never been on a demo and so hasn't felt the amazing feeling that comes through a shared energy over a shared issue you really ought to watch the first 90 seconds of that video in the OP.

Hairs on the back of the neck stuff.

OXI!
 
With results from the first 10% of the referendum counted, early indications are for a 'No' victory.

Nai!

I mean Oxi!

I mean...go deh!
 
Laughing all the way to the bank!


Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
Watching live too - holy fuck eh!

I'm not 100% sold on their pm yet, but hey I'm not Greek!
 
Good news. I expect the weapons of financial destruction to be unleashed against greece to 'prove' them wrong though - they can't let a socialist government survive on principle - they'll want to put tsipras and varoufakis' heads on spikes outside the village for iglesias to see.
 
Looks like they managed to put varoufakis' head on that spike, the bastards. EU to tsipras: "i'm not agreeing to anything if that internationally renowned professor of game theory is in the room making us all look like idiots!". As Yanis says: "i'll wear the loathing of the creditors with pride". He's a better bloke than the whole of the troika put together.
 
From one end of Europe to the other the people are being facilitated to voice their dissent. About fucking time. It's going to be a sore war.
 
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