Over training on cycle!

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arifaziz_2045

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Hey guys,
I know you get this a lot, but I haven't got any answer to fit my query yet. Hence, need your help again.

I just started my first cycle. In week two now (took my 3rd shot today).

My cycle :

Test E : 500mg/w
Deca : 200mg/w

What I was thinking is - Is it wise to train a muscle group twice a week?
Like,
Monday : Bisceps + Cardio Am / Chest Pm
Tuesday : Triceps + Cardio Am / Back Pm
Wednesday : Shoulders + Cardio Am / Legs Pm
Thursday : Replica of Monday
Friday : Tuesday
Saturday : Wednesday
Sunday : Rest!

I know this sounds a lot but I'm more focused on the muscle definition part that on bulking. Need to try out for Fitness Modeling soon.

So, for small muscles I do 4x12 and for legs I go for 4x15 or 3x15.

Diet is awesome.
Protein = 200gms per day
Carbs = 320gms per day
Plus multivitamins

P.s, I checked around and I'm keeping to the 3000cals/day range here.
Ain't gonna over load the protein as people recon.

So, what say you about the workout? Is it possible to recover and build great muscles with that workout + gear?
Btw, I don't work.. Get enough sleep. Like 14 hours a day! Rofl!
 
I don't know if it'll be possible for you with that workout, but over training is still possible with steroids. Especially your tendons (lots of steroids are either neutral or negative towards tendon regeneration) and joints.
 
black53 said:
I don't know if it'll be possible for you with that workout, but over training is still possible with steroids. Especially your tendons (lots of steroids are either neutral or negative towards tendon regeneration) and joints.
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I've heard about Winstrol having a negative effect on connective tissue... Care to name some more, I've been tearing like fuck for years..?
 
I'll search pubmed for more studies tomorrow, just spent a lot of time doing the same thing for benzos, steroids, prolactin, estradiol for this

I think it was basically above trt dose test = bad, nandrolone and oxandrolone = good, winstrol = big but brittle aka bad. Don't think the stuff not approved for human use has much studies about it's effects on tendons.
 
It seems like you might be overworking your shoulders and triceps, because you to biceps and chest on 1 day, chest also hits triceps and shoulders especially incline bench, and them doing triceps and shoulders the next day giving them no time to rest. When I cycled my I had a very similar dose to you and my work out was
Monday: chest, triceps shoulders
Tuesday: back biceps
Wed: dead lifts, cleans, legs
Thurs: same as Monday
Friday same as Tuesday
Saturday same as wed
Sunday rest. Also make sure you lift heavy in the beginning and toward the end change your workouts and increase the reps o tone up, don't forget to PCT
 
Awesome! Thanks man..
That sounds great.. It's just that I prefer to hit the gym twice than cover two body parts in the same workout.. Whenever I do two, I'd usually get the first muscle group with all strength.. But the second one looses out.. I'm lifting real heavy!..
How about this then :
Monday : Am Triceps, Pm Chest
Tuesday : Am Shoulders, Pm Back
Wednesday : Am biceps, Pm legs

So Triceps gets a good 48 hours rest before I'm hitting them again.. And the same with biceps too..

Plus,
12 reps for now.. Last 2 weeks, 15 reps each?? Or do I need to make changes here..
I need some good muscle definition..

Let me know your thoughts..
 
That sounds like a pretty good routine, I also split my workouts into AM and PM, you'd be surprised at how fast your body recovers between the AM and PM work out. For size go heavy 6-8 reps and for definition do a lighter weight but do 10-15 reps, and I firmly believe in using free weights as much as possible that way you build up the supporting and balancing muscles during your work out.
 
I much prefer AM - PM training as well, my new routine is gna be:

Mon: AM Chest - PM Delts/Traps
Wed: AM Back - PM Bi's/Tri's
Fri: 1 Session of Legs and hardcore Abs session

Sunday: Swim and Sauna/Steamroom

I have no motivation whatsoever to do cardio unless it's adrenaline based so I'm gna need to find time to go back to the boxing gym and do pads/bags and a bit of sparring.

@OP To answer your question, if you're on gear and you are recovering very fast then by all means go for it ! Although I would work the bigger muscles AM then smaller PM but whatever works, good luck with your cycle :)
 
Yea killer.. Just what I'm going to do.. Weeks 1 to 10 : heavy with 8 reps..
Weeks 11 to 14 : I'll stick to the max weight I reached and target 15 reps.
I hope the muscles recover quickly.. Lol..

That's an awesome routine Benzo.. Must have a great diet to come up with all that energy.. I agree the bigger muscle group would benefit more if done at AM. But I feel too dull/unenergized in the morning.. That's why I cheat with the smaller group and combine it with cardio. Rofl!.. But I'll think over your suggestion..

I'll start this new routine coming Monday.. Gingers crossed.. :D

Thanks fellas..
 
arifaziz_2045 said:
Awesome! Thanks man..
That sounds great.. It's just that I prefer to hit the gym twice than cover two body parts in the same workout.. Whenever I do two, I'd usually get the first muscle group with all strength.. But the second one looses out.. I'm lifting real heavy!.. No your not, at 15 reps..
How about this then :
Monday : Am Triceps, Pm Chest Train biggest muscle first, and switch to biceps Pm... triceps will already be tired
Tuesday : Am Shoulders, Pm Back Legs, calves
Wednesday : Am biceps, Pm legs Rest
Thurs : Am Back, Pm Triceps
Fri or Sat : Am Shoulders Pm traps, abs
Sunday : Rest

So Triceps gets a good 48 hours rest before I'm hitting them again.. And the same with biceps too.. Don't waste your time concentrating or arms they are your smallest muscle groups...

Plus,
12 reps for now.. Last 2 weeks, 15 reps each?? Or do I need to make changes here.. Rep range 8-12.... Legs 15-20-30's
I need some good muscle definition.. Increase size through lifting correctly, slowly in the eccentric (lowering) part of the lift, gain definition through diet..

Let me know your thoughts..
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I like working chest and delts on the same day because when I do my chest I use the free bench that goes from decline straight up to 90 degrees, I'll do a circuit of Decline, Flat, Incline DB Flys and Presses till failure on my chest session,

Then when I go back later I'll start off where I left off at steep Incline with DB and BB Presses (to build the very top of my chest up below my collar bone and whacking front delts at the same time) then upto 90 degree angle, straight Delt DB/BB Presses/Fly/Twist Presses, then I'll do various trap lifts with EZ bar and front Delt raises, DB shrugs etc until complete failure,

Must say I'm quite obsessed with my traps lol :) I used to do this in 1 session but I'll loose half of my energy half way through my workout, I know a lot of guys who are AM - PM dedicated trainers.
 
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Hey Gf..
Sorry for the late reply.. Been busy and just saw your post..
Hence, I haven't tried out the things you mentioned yet..

But I did start the work out I mentioned with a few changes.. Made it push-pull..
Monday : Tri - chest
Tuesday : Shoulders - back
Wed : Bisceps - Legs
Wed - sat repeat..

Been doing great in this.. 9 days into it and I feel the burn..
But,
I'm gonna change and out the large muscle group to am since you and a few others say it's better.. Let's try tha the out and see how it goes..

Changed to 12 reps.. But the last 2 sets sometimes go to 9 reps at max.. I do 4 sets.. So ya maybe that's why..

Legs stay at 15 reps with calves at 20..

I noticed you didn't agree to hitting a muscle trice group twice a week.. And I do am giving it serious thoughts.. But, at the same time I'm enjoying this thing..

I guess I'll play around with this for a week before switching to your one..
What are you thoughts on this?

Btw, got another issues.. I posted on another discussion but no harm posting it here too.. Let me know what you think..

"Hello fellas..
I know this is a rather old post but since I've already started my cycle, I thought I'd post my results..

Been two weeks into it. Started on the 15/03/14..

It's Test -E = 250mgx2/w w1-w14
Deca = 100mgx2/w w1-w12

Had 5 shots till now and I can already see the changes. People say it takes a month to see the results but oh no, I'm seeing them real quick..
Gained 5 pounds in two weeks.. I'm sure most of it is water.. Sigh!..

Can feel the boost in the energy.. And been hitting the gym twice as recommended..

Just got a few things I'd like to ask the pros..

My target is to get a bulked up but with a lean look.. Planning to shoot a portfolio at the end of the cycle..

Since I'm doing test e and deca, I'm bound to get huge.
And the belly is going no where.. I must say I haven't noticed any sides.. Seems my body responds well to both the compounds..

So this is what I need to know.. Is there anything I can add to this cycle in the end to burn off the fat and get a lean look? I know it makes little sense but it's really important to me.. Don't wanna look crap in the portfolio..

A few forums say adding Anavar helps.. But that's mob expensive.. Dam!.. Some say Winny.. Cheap, easy to get.. But that's all about losing the water retention, not fat.. Some say mast.. But again, reviews said that's just a if you're already lean.. So I'm kinda lost.. I need a lean look by the end of the cycle.. Can't look bloated.. And need the belly off.. Diet changes, cardio and things are fine with me..

Please advice me on what I need to do? And if possible, what compound can I add to get the lean-perfect-for-a-shoot look"
 
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benzoman12345 said:
I like working chest and delts on the same day because when I do my chest I use the free bench that goes from decline straight up to 90 degrees, I'll do a circuit of Decline, Flat, Incline DB Flys and Presses till failure on my chest session,

Then when I go back later I'll start off where I left off at steep Incline with DB and BB Presses (to build the very top of my chest up below my collar bone and whacking front delts at the same time) then upto 90 degree angle, straight Delt DB/BB Presses/Fly/Twist Presses, then I'll do various trap lifts with EZ bar and front Delt raises, DB shrugs etc until complete failure,

Must say I'm quite obsessed with my traps lol :) I used to do this in 1 session but I'll loose half of my energy half way through my workout, I know a lot of guys who are AM - PM dedicated trainers.
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Ditto Benzo.. I'd do it all in one workout.. But loose most of my energy halfway.. And that sucks big time.. Got other people in my gym working out twice a day.. Just ain't sure if working a muscle group twice a week makes sense.. .. Well, test and deca do speed up the recovery..
 
there's literally no reason why you should have to train twice a day 6 days a week, and that's certainly not enough gear to make it work. Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? You're not going to make any better gains off working out 2x a day, 6 days a week, than you would once daily. You'd be better off training once a day. I think you'd be happier with the results. Whether you're juicing or clean, you don't grow in the gym.
 
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