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i do believe that scientists are trying their hardest to come up with the best solution...and there's also plenty of scientists questioning certain things who are shutout by others, whether its ppl in the media, government, and so on and so forth....so to me, that's where the problem lies...


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Creator of mRNA Vaccine Technology Tells Tucker Carlson: ‘Government Not Being Transparent’ About Vaccine Risks

Dr. Robert Malone told Tucker Carlson we know the vaccines pose risks, but it’s hard to assess them because the government isn’t capturing the data “rigorously enough,” so we don’t have the information we need to make a reasonable decision.
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watch the video there on Tucker Carlson....i was never a fan of that guy, and im not a fan of Fox News, and im not a fan of the governor of FL or republicans, but after some of this and what they're doing about it, i don't dislike them anymore....i lean left but im seeing now that im definitely more in the middle of left and right, depending on the issue...so i don't align with any party or any thought process other than my own
 
chinup said:
obvs. duh! sorry i'm drunk.

anyway unfortunately i have to shut you down again. i checked out the credentials of Nass and Wallace, mentioned in the article you posted, and while they are both doctors, they do not have expertise in immunology/vaccinology/epidemiology (notably neither do i and i'm guessing neither do you). the article seems to place a lot of weight on vaers but when i had a hangover the day after getting my 1st shot i coulda put that on vaers and it would have been quoted in any vaers-related adverse reaction stats. its not valid.
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lol wait what are we talking about here? we're talking about an article i posted around your birthday? help me out here
 
TripSitterNZ said:
fuck the uk vaccine those cunts fucking killed people with it and it doesnt even fucking work like jack shit ever. At least pzfier still can work vs all the new strains.
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Yea ok...you do know that the Pfizer shot is causing all of the blood clotting disorders right?

here let me leave you this:

This week’s data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to June 11, 2021, for 12- to 17-year-olds show:



The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old male (VAERS I.D. 1383620) who reportedly died one day after receiving his second Pfizer dose, a 15-year-old male (VAERS I.D. 1382906) who received Pfizer and a 16-year-old male (VAERS I.D. 1386841) who reportedly suffered a hemorrhage and died four days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. An autopsy is pending.


Other deaths include two 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918 and 1242573), a 16-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1225942) and one 17-year-old (VAERS I.D. 1199455).


 
ageingpartyfiend said:
What about Moderna then - same/v similar tech to Pfizer no?
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ya see why i cant get on board with most of the other anti-vax ppl? they're all over the place.....and all im talking is the safety of them that i find questionable - all by myself....i was liking that one dude but then he started claiming violence, and there i was, all by myself again...im the loneliest scaredey-vaxxer i ever met :(
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
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13-Year-Old Michigan Boy Dies 3 Days After Second Dose of Pfizer Vaccine, Aunt Says ‘Moral, Ethical, Health’ Questions Need Answers

Initial autopsy results showed the previously healthy boy suffered from myocarditis, an inflammatory heart condition CDC officials have acknowledged is "likely" linked to mRNA COVID vaccines.
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lol wait what are we talking about here?
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this one.

i took a look at the presentation of the risk/benefit analysis: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/05-COVID-Wallace-508.pdf - firstly there are a lot of other collaborators so collectively they probably do know what they're talking about. secondly, the references for the data are provided, those in peer reviewed publications i'm more inclined to trust than the CDC itself, mostly cos i read the premonition by michael lewis recently and the cdc did not come out well. thirdly, if you look at slide 32, i would want to know how many of those myocarditis cases resulted in death or serious complications- the number is comparable to the projected number of ICU admissions prevented by the vaccine, and less than half the projected number of hospitalisations. based on rough estimates for prevalence of long covid (though i don't know an age group break down) and the projected number of covid cases prevented, i'd expected >500 people to be protected from long term symptoms by the vaccine.

Nass, mentioned in the article you posted, did not provide any references for her position. She states that "The other method [of under reporting myocarditis cases] was to only include a very narrow window of time after vaccinations started in the 12-15 age group, thus omitting the vast majority of second doses, which is when about 75% or more of the myocarditis cases occur. " but slide 29 specifically mentions that the 7-day risk period after the second dose is considered. So, she is just wrong, they explicitly considered the highest risk period.

Having looked though the presentation I'm revising drunk me of last night's conclusion. were I a teenage boy, or closely related to one, I would be reconsidering getting them vaccinated. Especially where I live where infection rates have been consistently high (much overcrowding and a huge number of ethnic 'minorities' who have historically been mistreated by the medical establishment so have stong distrust of it) my guess is that the risks of covid are still greater than the risks of the vaccine. but i'm glad i do'nt actually have to make this decision cos i think we have a case of 'more data needed.'
 
Now there are cases leaking into Melbourne from Sydney's outbreak. We just fucking came out of lockdown. This is getting ridiculous. The Australian CHO said at one point that we need to get to 85% vaccinated before we have herd immunity against the worst variants.

We are NEVER going to get to 85% the way we're going.

We were developing a vaccine (I can't remember the name) and it crapped out early, so we started developing AZ. Now AstraZeneca is dead. Don't get me wrong, here. I had two jabs. I could have had Pfizer for the second dose, but I already had an appointment for Astra and I don't really give a fuck.

Like the virus itself, people who are vulnerable are more likely to have reactions from vaccines. Both COVID and AstraZeneca behave unusually with age to some extent. COVID isn't more deadly for new born babies and AZ is worse for upper middle aged people rather than full fledged seniors... but - in both cases - it's worse if you are otherwise sick.

One of the big problems with the side effects of these vaccines is we can't know if millions of people are healthy because they present healthy. Probability dictates that a fairly chunky percent of those vaccinated must have undiagnosed conditions.

The whole adult population of Australia should be vaccinated. That's my opinion. I don't give much of a shit about rights in this case. I'd honestly rather the government did it by force. There is no other way out of this. Australia is a dictatorship. We need to bend over and take it.

I'd rather be a slave than dead.
 
@chinup

I'm curious.

When should the lockdowns stop?
How many months do we give vulnerable people who want vaccines to be vaccinated?

Let's say 30% of a population doesn't want to be vaccinated.

Canada is approaching 70%.
The USA is approaching 50%.

Let's say 30% of people in the US don't want to be vaccinated. How long do they (the remaining 20 percent) have to pick up the phone and book a fucking appointment before the rest of us can get on with our lives?

By "the rest of us" I mean people who have bothered to be vaccinated and those that chose not to, who I respect and have no animosity towards.

I read an article yesterday about a study indicating that the vast majority of people don't get long COVID and those that do almost invariably had medical conditions. Those that don't are probably the aforementioned undiagnosed/comorbid variety?
 
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I'm not sober. I lost my train of thought. What I was trying to say (at some point) was this:

The governments of the world should be transparent about what the long-term goal is with COVID. I'm happy, more more less, to comply with what some might call "dictatorial" laws, but I need to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

If ScoMo (Scott Morrison, the Australian Prime Minister) said, "We need to get 60% of the population vaccinated for reasons XYZ I'd presumably have questions to ask, but I'd be happier than the darkness we exist in.

Law isn't invented on a minute by minute basis.

There needs to be some fucking accountability.

I'm fully vaccinated.

A LOT of people I know have no interest in being half-vaccinated.

Fuck them. I say we open this country, permanently, in 3 months. If someone wants to be vaccinated, make a fucking appointment.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
When should the lockdowns stop?
How many months do we give vulnerable people who want vaccines to be vaccinated?
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i have no idea. its a good question.

frankly i don't think we should have to wait on them. if they are eligible for a vaccine and haven't got it that's on them. there were talks over here at some point of getting some way of showing you're vaccinated as a condition for entering pubs, restaurants, etc, and i would fully support that. i'd have more respect for people's choice to not get vaccinated if the rest of us were able to choose not to be anywhere near them and requiring proof of vaccination for entry to places would be one way to enable us to have that choice.

from my understanding some asian countries avoided lockdowns by doing proper contact tracing from the off. it turns out that most people with covid don't pass it on to anyone else, but some people pass it on to huge numbers of people. so, by identifying who a person with covid got it from and then quarantining all the people that person had been in contact with, they avoided the need for widescale lockdowns. this requires compliance, and i'm not confident that the eligible people who are not vaccinated are likely to comply with such orders so you'd need to enforce it. if we can get transmission rates low enough for this approach to be feasible, i think its far preferable.

where that is not feasible, i'd guess you need to look at projected cases and hospital capacity, not just for acute covid cases, but for everything. it is not fair that people with other health conditions have their treatment delayed because governments allowed covid rates to get too high.
 
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