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The tale of variants, gives limitless and infinite opportunity to cultivate any narrative for any purpose, any time. Just add media. Damn variants are handy.
 
What are the "winners" getting out of all this?

The "winners" are the most affected. They are the most fearful, most paranoid of living with other people. They struggle to live their lives in case they come under attack and are singled out for doing something wrong.

I have never met one "winner" who is apparently on the "good side" who is not sick and suffering. Most try to hide it but when you pay attention, you see these people need serious help. They are unwell and this illness is not COVID-19. This illness is mental, emotional, physical and spiritual and involves their very existence being reduced down to nothing.

Why suffer anymore? Why allow yourself to be terrorized and reduced down to nothing but a dirty insignificant animal that needs to be caged and punished? Most people have never served a prison sentence. This is now verging on 1.5 years served for a crime you never committed nor ever had a chance to defend yourself against.

How much longer? When the vaccines dont work? When your world is shutdown again to deal with the winter season, something you have never had to do nor ever has there been any scientific basis for doing so. When your kids continue to be denied an education and become more and more isolated. When you can no longer actually live your life anymore?

Lets say all this was justified. How much is too much? When does the justification provide the evidence for the sacrifices people made/are making? When do people REALLY go back to living their lived as they knew them before?

People are doing everything and its not good enough. Your leaders want more and the end is never promised. When it seems like things are over there is YET another sacrifice you have to make. Another sacrifice you will never see return what you were promised, only in the theater and empty superficial Hollywood camera lights of the staged reality projected through your screen.
 
finitelifeform said:
What are the "winners" getting out of all this?

The "winners" are the most affected. They are the most fearful, most paranoid of living with other people. They struggle to live their lives in case they come under attack and are singled out for doing something wrong.

I have never met one "winner" who is apparently on the "good side" who is not sick and suffering. Most try to hide it but when you pay attention, you see these people need serious help. They are unwell and this illness is not COVID-19. This illness is mental, emotional, physical and spiritual and involves their very existence being reduced down to nothing.

Why suffer anymore? Why allow yourself to be terrorized and reduced down to nothing but a dirty insignificant animal that needs to be caged and punished? Most people have never served a prison sentence. This is now verging on 1.5 years served for a crime you never committed nor ever had a chance to defend yourself against.

How much longer? When the vaccines dont work? When your world is shutdown again to deal with the winter season, something you have never had to do nor ever has there been any scientific basis for doing so. When your kids continue to be denied an education and become more and more isolated. When you can no longer actually live your life anymore?

Lets say all this was justified. How much is too much? When does the justification provide the evidence for the sacrifices people made/are making? When do people REALLY go back to living their lived as they knew them before?

People are doing everything and its not good enough. Your leaders want more and the end is never promised. When it seems like things are over there is YET another sacrifice you have to make. Another sacrifice you will never see return what you were promised, only in the theater and empty superficial Hollywood camera lights of the staged reality projected through your screen.
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Indeed the promised packaged holiday to freedom and Nirvana looks like less of a good deal daily. We are hearing more alarming stuff regarding the actual testing kits themselves- lithium even is found in the nasal swabs and a load of other shit that isn’t on the packaging. Nano fibres, heavy metals. Face masks fresh washed tested containing numerous pathogens including most alarmingly Borrelia.

A UK policeman is urging his colleagues to wake up to what is going on. He studied into things a bit. He reported for a certain time period, just over 1000 cases of Covid and over 9000 severe adverse events.

Two jabs? Sorry you still have to self isolate for 10 days by law, officially. So you’ve been jabbed….problem solved…risk worth taking…..well then if so, why the heck does one need to self isolate still?

I’m sure there would be suggested reasons, variants, the unjabbed of course will be the scapegoats to the end now because that is what it’s all about ultimately getting every single person jabbed. Constantly changing the narrative to fit the agenda.

This copper was the one who after hearing reports of the testing kits being contaminated visited a hospital and sent a batch of test kits off for testing. Resulting in quite alarming revelation.
 
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“Stop what you’re doing and follow the instructions in the alert.”

That, is an order. Plain tyranny. Stay the F out of my tablet Cabal FFS.
 
Just prepping people for what an authoritarian global government will eventually look like when everything comes together. Whether you are in the UK or Ukraine, life is the same. It never used to be like that and how people cant see the globalist agenda behind all this when you cannot not tell the difference between one country from another despite illusory surface differences. Everybody falls under the same ideology, the ideology of there being something we all share in common and that is the form of authority we are all under in one way or another.

Give it 5-10 years and we will be living in a world that is run by a centralized authority. They say that it takes quite a long time to bring in regime change. Communism took several years in places like Germany and Russia. And by several times it literally was something nearer to a decade or more. Hitler didnt seize his power straight away. The foundations were laid so that the people who voted him into power had no choice but to go along with the radical changes he began to push.

The idea is to be more like China in pretty much every single way. China and the rest of the world will finally be united and while there wont be an enemy anymore in China, the enemy will be the political ideologies and systems we once followed ie liberal democracy. Its much easier to get things done when by default the population are your subjects and the rule of government comes before your subjects.

This is what people are being conditioned to accept. Only a tyrant stops the people from trying to fight changes in society they dont want. And these changes people dont want. If they did, communism/fascism/socialism would be the political stance every country took. As it turns out, democratic free and open societies are what work best. We have learned that over our modern history. The other systems dont work. They have been tried and they simply dont work.

If people had more awareness of the true historical implications of what is going on now in terms of where this can and inevitably will go, none of this would stand. Unless you are used to being under the boot of a ruler who rules with a steel fist and boot over the heads of his subjects, all of this should be alarming.

I worry people dont know what freedom is because mentally, emotionally, spiritually etc they havent ever been free. The lives they have lived are carbon replicas of the cookie cutter template you are told to fit into and not question. Be this, do that, think this, feel that. When people have never really appreciated being free and having sovereignty over their own mind and body, they are doomed to throw it all away. Now you are a victim and there are predators out there who WILL tell you how to live your life now that you have thrown away the keys to your liberation and self awareness and actualization.

Once you hand over those keys, history proves it takes a long time to retrieve them and by then there has been untold amounts of damage done that will take several generations to correct for. Here we are all over again, as the first generation of those suffering at one of the darkest periods in modern history. It will be the next generations who will have the biggest price to pay, totally oblivious to the weight of their responsibilities and the inevitable challenges they face.

If we cannot correct this now, this WILL be a generational thing to correct. Your children, their children and maybe even their children.
 
finitelifeform said:
Just prepping people for what an authoritarian global government will eventually look like when everything comes together. Whether you are in the UK or Ukraine, life is the same. It never used to be like that and how people cant see the globalist agenda behind all this when you cannot not tell the difference between one country from another despite illusory surface differences. Everybody falls under the same ideology, the ideology of there being something we all share in common and that is the form of authority we are all under in one way or another.

Give it 5-10 years and we will be living in a world that is run by a centralized authority. They say that it takes quite a long time to bring in regime change. Communism took several years in places like Germany and Russia. And by several times it literally was something nearer to a decade or more. Hitler didnt seize his power straight away. The foundations were laid so that the people who voted him into power had no choice but to go along with the radical changes he began to push.

The idea is to be more like China in pretty much every single way. China and the rest of the world will finally be united and while there wont be an enemy anymore in China, the enemy will be the political ideologies and systems we once followed ie liberal democracy. Its much easier to get things done when by default the population are your subjects and the rule of government comes before your subjects.

This is what people are being conditioned to accept. Only a tyrant stops the people from trying to fight changes in society they dont want. And these changes people dont want. If they did, communism/fascism/socialism would be the political stance every country took. As it turns out, democratic free and open societies are what work best. We have learned that over our modern history. The other systems dont work. They have been tried and they simply dont work.

If people had more awareness of the true historical implications of what is going on now in terms of where this can and inevitably will go, none of this would stand. Unless you are used to being under the boot of a ruler who rules with a steel fist and boot over the heads of his subjects, all of this should be alarming.

I worry people dont know what freedom is because mentally, emotionally, spiritually etc they havent ever been free. The lives they have lived are carbon replicas of the cookie cutter template you are told to fit into and not question. Be this, do that, think this, feel that. When people have never really appreciated being free and having sovereignty over their own mind and body, they are doomed to throw it all away. Now you are a victim and there are predators out there who WILL tell you how to live your life now that you have thrown away the keys to your liberation and self awareness and actualization.

Once you hand over those keys, history proves it takes a long time to retrieve them and by then there has been untold amounts of damage done that will take several generations to correct for. Here we are all over again, as the first generation of those suffering at one of the darkest periods in modern history. It will be the next generations who will have the biggest price to pay, totally oblivious to the weight of their responsibilities and the inevitable challenges they face.

If we cannot correct this now, this WILL be a generational thing to correct. Your children, their children and maybe even their children.
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The next generations will be nothing but unconscious automations doing their masters bidding with no vision or likely conscious desire beyond that. It’s now or never. Irreversibility we face. I’m struggling to believe it isn’t too late already.

It will likely be too late when people finally wake up, but I still think I will feel a lot better when that happens.
 
AutoTripper said:
“Stop what you’re doing and follow the instructions in the alert.”

That, is an order. Plain tyranny. Stay the F out of my tablet Cabal FFS.
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these are normal in other countries. its public safety, not tyranny. for example, i had a few friends living in japan for fukushima. would you want to have ignored that? how about the frequent earthquakes they have over there? would you prefer to get no warning and therefore die either in the event or dehydration after? because that is what happens when you doln't follow the instructions in the public safety announcements.

my point is that it is not new and if you apply critical thought rather than defaulting to conspirascism, it is easy to see the public health motivation for these types of announcements.
 
chinup said:
these are normal in other countries. its public safety, not tyranny. for example, i had a few friends living in japan for fukushima. would you want to have ignored that? how about the frequent earthquakes they have over there? would you prefer to get no warning and therefore die either in the event or dehydration after? because that is what happens when you doln't follow the instructions in the public safety announcements.

my point is that it is not new and if you apply critical thought rather than defaulting to conspirascism, it is easy to see the public health motivation for these types of announcements.
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I agree with you there, these systems can have a rightful place. But we are not talking about nuclear disasters. We will be warned, surely no doubt, that somebody with Covid is In the building/9 feet away.

Then very quickly from that it will traverse, I can only imagine, to….you guessed it, Be very very careful IPhone owning good jabbed citizen. There is an unvaccinated person only 24 feet away from you. Follow these instructions for your safety. (And don’t open the cupboard again until we tell you it’s safe.)

We will have to wait and see but that is exactly where I’m placing my money. We will see.

Never in my life in United Kingdom have I needed such an emergency warning system to save me from floods, earthquakes, tsunamis (all very good uses of such a protocol), nor nuclear incidents.

I don’t see why such a broad far reaching invasive intrusive program is suddenly required?

It’s obviously in direct relation to the….situation. As if the news aren’t filling our ears enough. Lots people turn off the news though, the biggest fear machine of all.

This is plain realism, not conspiratorial at all. Just not naive either.

Fear is the weapon, the motivating force so the more angles it can be drummed in from and the more personalised and “closer to home”….

And to me that IS critical thinking.
 
AutoTripper said:
Never in my life in United Kingdom have I needed such an emergency warning system to save me from floods, earthquakes, tsunamis (all very good uses of such a protocol), nor nuclear incidents.
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During WW2 in the UK around 70,000 civilians were killed, and that required an early warning system. During the COVID pandemic in the UK around 142,000 civilians have been killed and the government feels like that requires an early warning system.

Just saying, your implication that an early warning system is unprecedented isn't valid.
 
aemetha said:
During WW2 in the UK around 70,000 civilians were killed, and that required an early warning system. During the COVID pandemic in the UK around 142,000 civilians have been killed and the government feels like that requires an early warning system.

Just saying, your implication that an early warning system is unprecedented isn't valid.
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Okay, thanks, I appreciate you so politely providing that prespective.

However, I still smell a rat. Like I I’llBe really interested to see how this pans out in the short, medium, long run, I’m as Hi Lee missed trusting of our governments as virtually anybody here you have probably picked up.
 
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However, I still smell a rat. Like I I’llBe really interested to see how this pans out in the short, medium, long run, I’m as Hi Lee missed trusting of our governments as virtually anybody here you have probably picked up.
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Well, if it provides any reassurance to you, the system screenshotted earlier in the thread looks identical to ours in New Zealand. I think ours actually predates COVID (I remember tsunami drills with it going back a few years), but we sit on the ring of fire and are at significant risk of earthquake, tsunami and volcano, especially by comparison with the UK, so we've had more need for an early warning system. It's never had a malign purpose other than to scare the bejeesus out of you when your device suddenly begins screaming at you in an unexpected manner.
 
aemetha said:
Well, if it provides any reassurance to you, the system screenshotted earlier in the thread looks identical to ours in New Zealand. I think ours actually predates COVID (I remember tsunami drills with it going back a few years), but we sit on the ring of fire and are at significant risk of earthquake, tsunami and volcano, especially by comparison with the UK, so we've had more need for an early warning system. It's never had a malign purpose other than to scare the bejeesus out of you when your device suddenly begins screaming at you in an unexpected manner.
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I appreciate you sharing too. Which I take on board.

However, regardless of any such facts and justified, benevolent global strategies- I still can’t help feel this is solely motivated from the purpose of simply making people more afraid by literally…”alarming” them suddenly, abruptly, scare warning them of REAL danger.

Purely along the lines of keeping that fear level up and furthering the stigma towards the unjabbed ultimately.
 
I did not join this forum to discuss covid. I am here for drug use related harm reduction topics, mental health stuff, and general hanging around. But, as morning coffee is slowly kicking in, i will make a one time post, in order to let my opinion be written here also.

It is a flu. It is a fucking flu. Politically weaponized with the help of mainstream media hype. A scared sheep obeys more easily. Seasonal flu mutates... so does this. It has been here for millennia and will be. Yes, corona is real. It has killed many people, mostly old and already very sick individuals. That is how the flu rolls.

In my circles, we see this. We have kept sharing joints... alcohol bottles and cans... hugging and handshaking all the time. Sure, if i am in a grocery store, i socially distance, that is a matter of being polite. I know what fear is. Many are scared now and have been for over a year. I do not want to add to that shit. I use hand sanitizer also when i enter the store. No mask, ever. I am not gonna get stoned with my own co2. Those zombies can stare at a fucking bag of potatoes for the whole duration of my grocery store visit. And it is basically virtue signaling. "Look how good and obedient and responsible i am, i wear a mask" I see the loathing when they look at me. Fuck them.

There is no vaccine for the corona virus. It simply does not exist. It is gene therapy, a highly experimental "treatment" with absolutely zero data about long term effects.

In other words, Fuck the politicians, fuck the mainstream media, fuck Fauci, fuck WHO, fuck CDC and every single individual on this rotten planet, who is unable to do their own research, and follow blindly the ones i mentioned there.

Call me anything you want. Nutcase, conspiracy theorist, corona denier. I have heard it all and worse.
 
Ghost fart said:
I did not join this forum to discuss covid. I am here for drug use related harm reduction topics, mental health stuff, and general hanging around. But, as morning coffee is slowly kicking in, i will make a one time post, in order to let my opinion be written here also.

It is a flu. It is a fucking flu. Politically weaponized with the help of mainstream media hype. A scared sheep obeys more easily. Seasonal flu mutates... so does this. It has been here for millennia and will be. Yes, corona is real. It has killed many people, mostly old and already very sick individuals. That is how the flu rolls.

In my circles, we see this. We have kept sharing joints... alcohol bottles and cans... hugging and handshaking all the time. Sure, if i am in a grocery store, i socially distance, that is a matter of being polite. I know what fear is. Many are scared now and have been for over a year. I do not want to add to that shit. I use hand sanitizer also when i enter the store. No mask, ever. I am not gonna get stoned with my own co2. Those zombies can stare at a fucking bag of potatoes for the whole duration of my grocery store visit. And it is basically virtue signaling. "Look how good and obedient and responsible i am, i wear a mask" I see the loathing when they look at me. Fuck them.

There is no vaccine for the corona virus. It simply does not exist. It is gene therapy, a highly experimental "treatment" with absolutely zero data about long term effects.

In other words, Fuck the politicians, fuck the mainstream media, fuck Fauci, fuck WHO, fuck CDC and every single individual on this rotten planet, who is unable to do their own research, and follow blindly the ones i mentioned there.

Call me anything you want. Nutcase, conspiracy theorist, corona denier. I have heard it all and worse.
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I probably should stay out of this. But fuck it. I'm in mood today!

When this shit first started I had the same attitude and take on it as you do. But that's changed I'm afraid.

Let me put it another way:

Let's just assume it's a question of semantics and it is indeed just another strain of flu. Fair enough. But it's fucking potent strain of flu then. I'm 56 this year. And I can tell you that not once in my lifetime have I seen hospitals that cannot cope with the influx of patients or running out of oxygen or ventilators or undertakers that cannot cope or graveyards running out of space to bury those that have met their demise.

So call it what you will.

Maybe it is indeed just another strain of flu. And maybe, with the mutations, we end up with the likes of the Spanish flu in the end (with the same or worse figures) (and which, I'll be honest, I reckon is where this is indeed going to end up i.e. it's simply time for something like this to happen).

As for the vaccines: I cannot comment. The data seems to suggest that they're effective. For now (and that statement is key).

As for masks: who the hell knows. I abhor them on the one hand (on oh so many levels). But I've gotten used to them (which is in itself pretty sad to be honest). I cannot see as they are doing any harm (other than, possibly, to people's psyche) (and in spite of those few and far between reports purporting that they do more harm than good i.e. I cannot see that as being the case).

Only thing I'm 100% sure of is that my beloved Pfizer is going to be in business for a very very very long time! 😍 Goes without saying the RDIF is doing well of course. 🇷🇺 Difference of course being that they’re not profit motivated.
 
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I wouldn’t class it as a flu. There are numerous “influenzas” including true flu, 6 week deal which I’ve had 4 times and know pretty well.

It’s a (bio-engineered) localised viral infection, capable of localising in the nerves hence Long Covid.

But it’s not rightfully bracketed with the other influenzas.

I’d probably still rather have Covid than true Flu, even with the nerve damage from this current long Covid Im treating and recovering from now.

Real flu is the absolute pits every time. Long haul, little respite and a lasting toll post viral fatigue syndrome wise.

Is Long Covid worse than the newly emerged (totally unbeknown to everybody here of course but out there all around you in others) properly neurological Coxsackie A21 virus?

It’s impossible to tell. I have them both currently.

I had them both last fall too, except Covid never reached my nerves that time and was gone in a whistle.

The A21 virus raged for months in my nervous system and gut, totally messed up my bowels and digestive system and it hasn’t been right since.

Same again currently except I’ve stepped up the healing a bit.

Both very nasty viruses. Stronger immune systems needed. Not vaccines.

This guy, dunno who he is, some American Politician, he says clearly why he will not be taking the jab in a press conference, based on his own educated views and beliefs.

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I misread that initially as RFID- Radio Frequency Identification Chip.

They will have a lot of customers to serve. Around 7.5 billion is it? Excluding the pet “market”.

“Well first of all it’s none of your business, but I’m gonna tell ya….I’m not vaccinated, and until there’s some science, and I’m not a virologist but I have a Masters science degree from M.I.T….but I can read data. Everybody just needs to read. And Don’t put your head in the sand. Look at the data. I’m not gonna get the vaccine, until there’s data that shows, it will improve upon the immunity that’s conferred to me as a result of a natural infection that I’ve had.”

I dispute the natural here but maybe he’s coy just not bringing that up there.
 
i still think it's a bit reckless to be so pushy with the shots now when they are still in the experimental phase, they aren't necessary for children, and the fact that they can be more dangerous than the virus itself, and there's a risk that isn't being put out there

over 100,000 reported cases of anaphylaxis in the US....and that's just what's reported...gotta keep in mind, there's a lot that don't report it

so that alone, rules it out for me...ive already had that happen with a vaccine and im not doing that again, that's for sure
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
i still think it's a bit reckless to be so pushy with the shots now when they are still in the experimental phase, they aren't necessary for children, and the fact that they can be more dangerous than the virus itself, and there's a risk that isn't being put out there

over 100,000 reported cases of anaphylaxis in the US....and that's just what's reported...gotta keep in mind, there's a lot that don't report it

so that alone, rules it out for me...ive already had that happen with a vaccine and im not doing that again, that's for sure
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Too right, less legit adverse events officially recorded, by a long way. A zillion of questionable official Covid death stats and conditions for recording.
 
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