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@dalpat077 hi, if I can say one things briefly. For an old(er) (than ancient me lol at 41, after admirably and fearless sharing your age….56! Did surprise me a and take it a s a pure compliment….I really was curious gauging your actual age. Because you’re mental enthusiasm and positivity boisterousness shows such a fresh and your full mind.

Over and (tripped) out lol. Little more weed vapor to hit in gorgoeus early UK dawn.

dalpat077 said:
No problem. Listen up. I'm just guessing here (based on what I saw on the government's website and on the link provided).

One would assume that there is an app. of course. But are we not talking about two different things here i.e. there's an app. for contact tracking and tracing (we have one here too) but ya'll were talking about a sort of early warning system no?
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If I’m with sense still.. I spoke about the possible, potential political ramifications of the new Emergency Warning System.

My joke really but deadly serious about the “track and trap” app, yes the widespread things long running.

Excuse any confusions.

There was an official, widely publicised, widely launched “track and trace” app encouraged here to all smart phone users, to be informed of recent close contact to a diagnose, in which case and all all cases by law 10 days self isolation.

Hence my joking but serious use of the term track…and Trap.
 
AutoTripper said:
@dalpat077 hi, if I can say one things briefly. For an old(er) (than ancient me lol at 41, after admirably and fearless sharing your age….56! Did surprise me a and take it a s a pure compliment….I really was curious gauging your actual age. Because you’re mental enthusiasm and positivity boisterousness shows such a fresh and your full mind.

Over and (tripped) out lol. Little more weed vapor to hit in gorgoeus early UK dawn.
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Hey. Thanks. I thought you knew I was a dinosaur (well that's according to @birdup.snaildown anyway).

Nice words. Much appreciated. Especially this morning (reasons unimportant). :)
 
dalpat077 said:
Hey. Thanks. I thought you knew I was a dinosaur (well that's according to @birdup.snaildown anyway).

Nice words. Much appreciated. Especially this morning (reasons unimportant). :)
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Thanks. Always a pleasure to engage. Just keeping my head there in midst of major trippy haze, the good wily heads like your own and others help me do that.
 
AutoTripper said:
There was an official, widely publicised, widely launched “track and trace” app encouraged here to all smart phone users, to be leered of recent close contact to a diagnose, in which case and all all cases by law 10 days self isolation.

Hence my joking but serious use of the term track…and Trap.
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We have an app. here that's designed to connect devices, in close proximity obviously, to each other via Bluetooth. The idea being that if somebody has tested positive, and has reported the same via the app., then you will know that you are near to said individual, should then go for a test, and helps with contact tracking and tracing.

Exactly how effective it's been or how widely it's been adopted I know not. For fuck sure it's not my phone! And an open Bluetooth connection to some or the other stranger's device? I don't think so! Not to mention the fact that Bluetooth chows battery life.

Interesting and well intended idea I'm sure. But the flaws are obvious. Those mentioned above aside: if somebody has tested positive, and has actually reported the same via the app., then what in the name of fuck are they doing standing next to me in the shop anyway (because self isolation, if tested positive, is mandatory anyway) (although that's fallen by the wayside it would seem) (not to mention that there's just no way of enforcing this on an individual basis i.e. it's practicably impossible).

Anyway. We're well into our so-called third wave now though. So what will be will be. As long as they don't get clever again and ban cigarette sales: I don't give a fuck.

Here's the PR blurb for what it's worth:

sacoronavirus.co.za

CovidAlert - SA Corona Virus Online Portal

What is COVID Alert SA?
sacoronavirus.co.za sacoronavirus.co.za
 
I f somebody had suggested this evolving (^), 2 years ago or even at pandemic start, that person may have been labelled as a you know…Conspi….

Now on this RFID chip. Same deal. prophesisied and warned about for decades, declared as madness.

They talk about his technology and the ideation and goals,of,it on TV News I’ve seen it, literally touting how awesome it will be to one day have a simple chip,in your skin containing all your medical records blah blah….

They play that up, but don’t include…also your car keys,,house keys, bus pass, All of your money.

Even then I wonder how many might reflect on those nutty conspiracy theorists warning of such things eons before.
 
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@finitelifeform

Why do you keep writing "vaccines" instead of vaccines?
Are they not vaccines?
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A vaccine stops a disease. You take a vaccine when you go on holiday/vacation to some place to protect yourself from local diseases. This "vaccine" doesnt stop a disease. They tell you this and it is, and has been, public information for a very long time. The "vaccines" are not curing anything. Most of what they do is treat symptoms. So thats like getting a back massage for a herniated disk. Sure, you feel better but... you better believe that disk is still herniated, and will be for some time! To what degree does a back massage treat a herniated disk? Whatever degree it DOES treat the disk, the weakest link in the equation is your bodys natural recovery time. This generally speaking is quite long, even if you get a massage. So basically, no matter what you think you are doing, you aint doing deadlifts and/or squats for quite some time. And we are back to square one.

You are already being told now the vaccine drive has been in full swing for some time that there is no guarantee the "vaccines" work. If they worked, well, they would work. Here in the UK lots of people are vaccinated and already the UK gov is opening the doors for a winter lockdown. How so if everybody who needs to be vaccinated is vaccinated? Talk about different variants, or so they say. But arent we treating the underlying disease so shouldnt it matter what variant it is? What you get at the end of is the disease. Apparently not. These "new" variants are apparently capable of getting past "vaccines", even though most people think they are treating the disease. How are they getting past? Because they are not "vaccines" and they are not being "vaccinated" against the disease.

They dont work like most people think they do. They are not "vaccines". This is why there has been so much controversy around them because enough contrasting factual information has seeped into the mainstream by well informed individuals (many who are career academics, scientists, researchers etc) to outline the concerns in regards to what people think they are taking and what it actually is.

There is no problem, by the way, in taking something if you want to take it. This is a drug forum after all and many people will take NBOME thinking it is LSD and then continue to seek NBOME experiences despite never fully being aware of the difference and the implications. You can take NBOME if you want but its the sign of a responsible community to highlight that NBOME is NOT LSD. In terms of what is going on now, we have people consuming a product that is not what they think it is. That isnt to say its alien technology (cue Alex Jones memes) but it also opens up the debate to just what the hell these things are, what they do, why, when, how etc. And because this has been a central theme for some time now, many people are better informed as to whether they should/want to take the "vaccine".

The first stage in all this is understanding they are not, based on our extensive understanding of vaccines over many decades and many beneficial vaccines on the market, the same as justmentioned.
 
Vaccines stimulate immunity and disrupt transmission. These dont do that. So its not a vaccine. Wouldnt you agree that is what a vaccine is? Actually by law, vaccines have a designated definition.

You dont go to some part of the world and be told you need Z vaccine because disease Y is prevalent in the country only to be told at your doctors appointment that actually the vaccine treats the symptoms but does not stimulate immunity from the disease. Dont you think if that was the case taking vaccines when you go places would be obsolete if you actually caught a disease and the drugs DID NOT work to prevent it? Why are people still wearing face masks if they are now immune? Why are social distancing measures in place and surveillance state tech in use to monitor and pry into the lives of citizens if they are immune and the disease is no longer a threat to them? Why is this the "new normal" if we destroyed the "new normal" by getting vaccinated in order to bring back the old normal? Why do we still plod along with the same destructive totalitarian measured when the answer was vaccines?

Maybe because it was never about vaccines? Maybe your vaccine actually doesnt protect you from anything and what was on the horizon was going to come no matter what you did. Some vaccine that was/is. That sure treated the problem, right?
 
So experts around the world raced to produce the best vaccines they could in a short space of time and none of them actually produced any vaccines?

That's odd.

So the Malaria vaccine I had when I went to Africa was not a vaccine?
 
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birdup.snaildown said:
So experts around the world raced to produce the best vaccines they could in a short space of time and none of them actually produced any vaccines?

That's odd.

So the Malaria vaccine I had when I went to Africa was not a vaccine?
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The world isnt being injected with a vaccine for malaria. Case in point. You went to Africa and had a vaccine so you didnt get malaria. The vaccine works to provide immunity from malaria. It doesnt work on symptoms to take the "edge" off getting the disease. You had a vaccine or if you didnt, you took tablets. These all are designed to provide immunity. They dont work on making you believe you are protected while not actually protecting you.

Also, a solid point. They raced to create vaccines that are currently experimental and therefore the main subjects for this experiment is the world population who think they are getting an approved vaccine to actually prevent a disease. They are being sold on this all being routine and this is how it works when anybody old enough knows this isnt how it works because if it was every year our modern societies experience pandemics we would have experienced all of this. You dont take an unknown unapproved drug every other year because theres a world destroying virus around. And we have had many.

The vaccines are not approved, they have been granted emergency authorization under emergency legislation laws. They are currently not a recognized treatment for COVID-19, hence the emergency legislation. If you spoke to a lawyer in this area they would tell you that. This also bypasses the necessary rigorous protocols that a drug normally HAS to go through, of which takes upwards of 5 years, probably 7-10 years being more accurate. All you have to do is do research on current vaccines in testing phases to see how long they are tested for. Actually one malaria vaccine has been tested since 2015 and still hasnt completed this process. Thats 7 years and counting. A normal process for vaccines usually.

So the world is being injected with a new experimental product they are calling a vaccine that actually isnt a vaccine that hasnt got a safety profile nor is approved that doesnt actually treat the disease but only symptoms that was rushed out bypassing several long years of critical testing in order to protect public health and genuinely prevent injury and/or death. The world is being experimented upon under the guise of a global medical emergency while their solution is a treatment that doesnt actually treat the reason we are apparently in a global medical emergency.
 
All new vaccines (and all new drugs) are "experimental products", so that's meaningless.

finitelifeform said:
The world isnt being injected with a vaccine for malaria.
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If malaria was spreading all over the world, don't you think there would be a widespread vaccination program?

The malaria vaccine (Mosquirix) is less efficient than all of the mainstream COVID vaccines. Both develop antibodies and provide a certain level of immunity.

Either Mosquirix is not a vaccine or Pfizer is a vaccine. You can't have it both ways.

finitelifeform said:
making you believe you are protected while not actually protecting you
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Pfizer (and the other vaccines) all have higher efficacy rates than Mosquirix. They are better at protecting us from COVID than Mosquirix is at protecting us from malaria. So, again, you choose. Either Mosquirix is not a vaccine or Pfizer is.

If you don't want to take the vaccine, then don't.

With all due respect, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Are there any epidemiologists that don't think Pfizer is a vaccine? Do you know more than an entire specialist field? I'm going to place my bets on qualified people and scientific consensus rather than assuming that some random person on the internet knows more than the rest of the world.

For some reason, there are a lot of random internet people that think they can outsmart all the scientists in the world. Just look at the flat earthers.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
All new vaccines (and all new drugs) are "experimental products", so that's meaningless.



If malaria was spreading all over the world, don't you think there would be a widespread vaccination program?

The malaria vaccine (Mosquirix) is less efficient than all of the mainstream COVID vaccines. Both develop antibodies and provide a certain level of immunity.

Either Mosquirix is not a vaccine or Pfizer is a vaccine. You can't have it both ways.



Pfizer (and the other vaccines) all have higher efficacy rates than Mosquirix. They are better at protecting us from COVID than Mosquirix is at protecting us from malaria. So, again, you choose. Either Mosquirix is not a vaccine or Pfizer is.

If you don't want to take the vaccine, then don't.

With all due respect, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Are there any epidemiologists that don't think Pfizer is a vaccine? Do you know more than an entire specialist field? I'm going to place my bets on qualified people and scientific consensus rather than assuming that some random person on the internet knows more than the rest of the world.

For some reason, there are a lot of random internet people that think they can outsmart all the scientists in the world. Just look at the flat earthers.
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Absolutely. Theres a lot of lunatics out there. Did you just hear that? Its the CIA, they have planted satellites in my head! I'm just messing. You absolutely should do your research and trust the right sources.

You say you trust the scientists but Hitler had amazing scientists. They invented novel ways of torturing and killing people and his propaganda department was extremely effective. Science is a romantic compleletely benevolent area of study. Human manipulation is science but human manipulation and moreover, brainwashing, led to MKULTRA which only a few decades ago was one of the biggest controversies in US history.

Lets not forget the atom bomb, which was then dropped on innocent people in Japan. So much for trusting the scientists? Was your family among the rubble? I am sure saying trust the scientists makes you sleep better at night but how about those whose family members were vapourized by an atomic bomb landing in close proximity?

To believe science and experts are simply your friendly neighbourhood doctor with absolutely no ulterior motives is juvenile and dangerous. Science is both good and bad, just as the people who work in scientific areas are. Just as the police are not angels but it doesnt also doesnt imply they are all devils either. But you wouldnt pretend like there are no bad cops around otherwise you are going to be in a for a rude awakening if you ever encountered one. Same as the government. Your government kills innocent people, it creates wars for resources, it destabilizes other countries, it creates its own political elite that have more priveleges in society than you or I ever will. But it also provides healthcare, runs the economy, keeps the roads in good condition, gives most people an opportunity at education etc. But you wouldnt say your government has never done anything wrong.

You dont need to be scientist/expert to figure this out. Its basic common sense and your responsibility as a citizen holding those in authority accountable to understand things like this in order to then challenge these authorities and demand change if necessary. When you dont do that the sort of scientists/expert/government you DONT want end up in those authority positions and we have been there before, just look back in history for that.

But absolutely, I completely agree. You must seek to learn and expand your awareness to make better informed decisions. That is my point.
 
the vaccines dont even work on delta variant. Don't listen to the fucking mainstream media lies. Trump told us it was from the fucking lab in march last year and the media assaulted him and now since biden is in guess what they change their story and now highlighting its from the lab. I bet it acutally was invented by faucci and the democrats at an illegal Clinton bio chemical weapon lab to get rid of trump and fuck the world up with their commie shapeshifting repitlian overloads.

This shit has the bohieman grove written all over it. Do proper research people injecting these nanomicrochips into you will mark you with the number of the beast just like the bible said. Elon musk will then control all your minds.

I highly suggest lining your entire walls and carpet and the ceiling with tinfoil to reflect the radio waves these cabal of reptilian child eating evil cult are beaming into your homes every day. In good measure have a tinfoil suit aswell with a well made tin foil hat.

Delta variant is coming and you better be prepared next up is the fema camps they will start locking up those who refuse to be slaves to the system. Its the NWO coming through.
 
finitelifeform said:
You absolutely should do your research
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Take your own advice. Read some basic information about vaccines before preaching nonsense. Also, while you're at it, research Godwin's law.

I didn't suggest we have blind faith in science, but that's an utterly predictable response. I said I'd rather place my bets on scientific consensus rather than random people on drug forums.
 
alasdairm said:
can you quote, or provide a link to, this definition? thanks.

alasdair
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According to Law Insider;

"Vaccine means the substance licensed for use by the United States Food and Drug Administration that is injected into or otherwise administered to an individual to immunize the individual against a communicable disease."

Emphasis deliberate on immunize.
The vaccines do not immunize you. Why? Because you arent given immunity to the disease! This is public knowledge and it widely known. They do not provide immunity and so a vaccine if it does not provide immunity is not legally a vaccine. It might be a product in a similiar category but it is not a vaccine as we know them to be, and have done for decades and decades. If it doesnt treat a disease, its not a vaccine. Its self explanatory.
 
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